The History & Fraud of the Contagion Myth

In this post I'm going to explain how an error turned into a fraud, a fraud turned into a crime, and how through the industrialization of this crime, madness developed, a kind of madness that endangers all of us, the entire human race.

How did it get to this?

In ancient Greece, which is the progenitor of modern western medicine, any changes in the body or physique were perceived in a very negative way. It was believed that the sick person was unclean, that they had angered the gods, and were possessed by a demon. That person could not have any contact with other people, because it was thought that contact with an ‘unclean’ person could defile healthy people; and the punishment of the gods would extend to them as well.

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It was this ancient Greek superstition that formed the basis of the modern idea of contagion.

It is important to note that in the most ancient forms of medicine, such as Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda, there is no concept of disease transmission. They never associated disease with punishment.

It was a western superstition that served as a great way to generate fear, in order to establish control. In other words, it made it possible to label undesirable individuals as sick, dangerous, incurable and contagious, in order for them to disappear or/and quarantine.

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Anyone who has anything to do with the creation and design of prisons knows that most prisons originated on the basis of hospitals.

The same thing continued in the middle ages. It was a religiously motivated idea that sickness was punishment for sin.

The symptoms of any kind were interpreted as the result of a lack of faith and the subsequent wrath of god.

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Since then, disease began to be explained by a purely materialistic interaction. Doctors took the same position that priests used to occupy before. As a result, the demon of disease was gradually materialized. The same idea of the “demon of disease” was transformed into the idea of the “toxin of disease.” People began to believe that diseases were caused by so-called “toxin of disease,” which in Latin means “virus,” and that a person recovered because their body produced an antidote to the “toxin of disease.”

It was believed from experience, that the administration of small amounts of poisons would cause the body to produce an ‘antidote’ or ‘anti-poison’. The subsequent idea, that the body can restore its health by producing or being given “antidotes”, was born when it was observed that people survived bigger amounts of poison (such as alcohol) when their body was trained by consuming slowly increasing amounts of that poison.

However, in reality there are no antidotes, instead the body produces enzymes, which neutralize and eliminate the poisons (alcohol).

That is why Rasputin and Napoleon allegedly took different kinds of toxins frequently in small quantities in order to be immune against a poison attack (this can be measured in the hair).

It was this misconception that gave rise to the idea of immunity to disease. Inoculation and vaccinations were both introduced on the same beliefs and superstitions, not on the basis of science.

Edward Jenner.

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The Two Charlatans

Pasteur on the left and Koch on the right.

The French plagiarist Louis Pasteur and the German fraudster Robert Koch popularized the germ theory of disease – the hypothesis that diseases are caused by infectious agents called germs.

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Louis Pasteur

During his lifetime, Pasteur permitted absolutely no one – not even his closest co-workers – to inspect his notes. And “Tricky Louis” arranged with his family for the books to remain closed to all even after his death. However, his grandson, Louis Pasteur Vallery-Radot, who apparently didn’t care for Pasteur much, donated the notebooks to the French national library, which published them. In the late 20th century, Gerald Geison, medical historian at Princeton University, was first given the opportunity to go through Pasteur’s records meticulously, and he made the fraud public in 1995. His analysis of these notebooks revealed that Pasteur had committed massive fraud in all his studies. Geison's book is called The Private Science of Louis Pasteur.

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“The conclusion is unavoidable: Pasteur deliberately deceived the public, including especially those scientists most familiar with his published work.”

– Gerald Geison, medical historian.

Pasteur was unable to make animals sick by injecting them with the microbe associated with the disease he was studying, such as anthrax.

In the case of anthrax, to make healthy animals sick and die, he had to inject them with what he called "virulent anthrax." Pasteur made "pathogenic" microbes more virulent by what he called "serial passage” of the organism through other animals. In regards to anthrax, he injected guinea pigs with the microorganism he associated with anthrax, then sacrificed the animal and injected its blood or tissue into another guinea pig, and always mixed with toxic antiseptics such as carbolic acid or potassium bichromate.

This process was repeated through several Guinea pigs. In this way he came up with what he called "virulent anthrax."

The magic [anthrax] vaccine was elusive and Pasteur had “exceptionally little experimental basis for announcing the "discovery" of an anthrax vaccine in January 1880.” (Geison, page 167).

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In Pasteur: Plagiarist, Imposter, R B Pearson relates a number of incidents that demonstrate the failure of the Pasteur anthrax vaccine to protect animals from the disease. In a particularly clear example, he describes the use of the Pasteur vaccine in Russia, where 4,564 sheep were vaccinated, after which 3,696 sheep died; a phenomenally high failure rate.

The vaccine was later discontinued.

For Rabies, Pasteur was able to produce the symptoms of disease by injecting "cerebral matter… extracted from a rabid dog under sterile conditions and then inoculated directly onto the surface of the brain of a healthy dog through a hole drilled into its skull" (Geison, page 189).

This treatment did sometimes make dogs foam at the mouth and die.

You can read more about Pasteur's unethical rabies fraud here.

Pasteur was the inventor of the idea of a smaller pathogen that cannot be seen in the optical microscope, a virus. This supported the standard model of illness which was used for centuries, a model that is based on the premise of war, not on the premise of symbiosis, as is the real workings of Nature.

Germ theory of disease became the new religion.

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Robert Koch

In 1905, Dr. Koch received the Nobel Prize for allegedly proving that tuberculosis was an infectious disease. He had a hard time finding the bacteria; in fact, he could find an organism in infected tissue only by using special staining methods after the tissue was heated and dehydrated with alcohol. The stain was a toxic dye, methylene blue, and the solution he used contained another toxin – potassium hydroxide (lye).

This poisoned brew was passed through guinea pigs several generations, using a lot of disinfectants which were toxic. This sterile [poisoned] injection was then injected into experimental animals which then developed nodules around the injection, and he called those tubercles. However, in reality they were simply some kind of irritation.

Robert Koch later came out with a tuberculosis cure which was a total failure. It resulted with him getting ejected from germany.

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But why did the German government employ Robert Koch again? He already had to flee Germany because he had killed thousands with his “magic drug” tuberculin against tuberculosis. Otto von Bismarck called him back since he desperately needed a pretext against the British who had seized the Suez canal. Thus they had significant military and political advantages; for they didn’t have to sail around Africa. The British came through the Suez canal from India with their troops and goods instead.

The German tried to deprive the English from this advantage with the allegation they were bringing home diseases like anthrax, smallpox and the black plague from India. Thus, quarantine was demanded, and they weren’t allowed to dock at any Mediterranean port, and at Gibraltar they were shot at.

Therefore, Robert Koch, who was on the run, was called back and was offered 100,000 Reichsmark in order to create the argument that the English would bring in various ’contagious’ diseases.

Anthrax, another example: Koch killed mice with toxins. This poison you can easily make at home: leave a potato salad standing outside in the summer for a week. Bacteria spores which are floating in the air everywhere will settle, grow and reproduce. The bacteria are going to consume the oxygen and transfer into an anaerobic state; and then toxins are produced.

Just as the yeast changes its metabolism under exclusion of oxygen to produce the toxic alcohol, in this way these bacteria produce their toxins, but only under complete exclusion of oxygen.

Koch produces these toxins in a meat broth, as you can replicate at home. He injects them into the vein of a mouse. The mouse dies and the spleen gets swollen, he extracts the spleen of the mouse, and transplants it under the skin of a frog. The frog convulses and dies; and this is called skin anthrax.

Now you can imagine which animal experiments were made to claim lung anthrax: parts of the spleen of the killed mouse were implanted into the lungs of the frog.

Koch and his wife, Emmy, upon receiving the Nobel Prize in 1905.

But how did Robert Koch get such a reputation? The question is easily answered. Robert Koch managed to make photography adaptable to visual microscopy and to make photographs of bacteria. This brought him much reputation deservedly.

Photography was considered to be sacred; no one could imagine that a negative could be retouched, that double exposures could be used, that it could be manipulated. It was deemed as inherently scientific and objective.

He simply made claims along with photography, and this acted in a very hypnotic way, much like television today, so people just accepted these claims. However, he simply photographed bacteria that can be found everywhere.

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A Nobel Prize and its disastrous consequences

In the early 1950’s, virology was on its deathbed after decades of failing miserably in the attempts to purify and isolate the assumed viral particles in order to directly prove the existence and pathogenicity of these invisible entities.

In all of the years of experimentation, virologists had nothing to show but indirect evidence of decay from human and animal tissue culture experiments claimed to be caused by the “virus” in question.

However, virology got a booster in the form of a new method purporting to establish the existence of these invisible entities. This was the cell culture method which was introduced in 1954 by John Franklin Enders during his attempts to identify a measles “virus.” As virologists could still not properly purify nor isolate the assumed “virus” particles directly from the fluids of a sick host, it was decided that the particles had to be grown in a culture instead, as it was claimed that there were not enough particles present within the fluids.

The “virus,” which could not be found directly inside the fluids in order to be studied properly, was somehow determined to need a host cell in order to replicate itself so that it could then be found and studied. For this he was awarded a Nobel Prize.

John F. Enders.

Rather than calling the time of death on virology as should have been done by anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty, those in charge doubled down on the invalid cell culture method as the standard that every virologist must adhere to in order to confirm the presence of a “virus” within a sample.

This reliance on the cell cultures flawed indirect “evidence,” built upon a fraudulent foundation cemented the entire field of virology even further into the mad world of pseudoscience as the scientific method continued to be forsaken.

The whole field of modern virology is built upon Enders fraudulent paper; and is therefore fraudulent as well, which is the very nature of “virology” and “science” today.

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Conclusion: I have highlighted the false grounds on which the germ theory of disease was elevated to its current status as a dogma, and beyond question. With this knowledge you will understand that there are powerful interests and agendas that have prevailed over genuine science. This information will serve as a reminder of the powers which control the pharmaceutical and regulatory industries to this day.

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365summer•

I stopped reading at some point, so forgive me is this was answered: how is it that if a member of my household is Ill there’s a better chance I end up with the same symptoms?

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"Time".

Time is the trigger [see: "seasonal influence"]. Shared environmental toxins lead to timely expression of any locally-affected body's symptomatic toxin purge.

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BStream•

I don't know, but maybe it's the same phenomena causing bees being jerks described as "group genetics".

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vilcedOP•

The symptoms associated with what are called ‘infectious diseases’ represent the body’s efforts to expel toxins, repair damage and restore health.

It is therefore important to recognise that the symptoms each person experiences will be unique to them because of their unique exposures to the ‘injurious substances and influences’ that affect their bodies. However, within a household or work environment for example, many people may experience common exposures to the same ‘injurious substances and influences’, which is the main reason that they may experience similar symptoms when their bodies initiate the expulsion of those substances and influences.

We are all exposed to such a variety of toxins on a daily basis, although mostly at levels that are small enough to not produce obvious symptoms immediately. But many of these toxins are bio-accumulative and therefore slowly build up within the body to a level that requires expulsion. At this point, the body will initiate the appropriate symptoms to expel the toxins.

People may not all experience the same severity and duration of their symptoms, which will depend on their unique health status that will, in turn, depend on any other factors that may affect their health, whether beneficially or adversely.

Since humans are social creatures, we tend to go through cleansing processes in sync – therefore sometimes the appearance of contagion.

Quoting u/zombie_dave :

It's conceivable that bodies in a similar condition (due to lifestyle) communicate with one another and 'trigger' cleansing/ purging processes, perhaps via pheromones, bioelectrical signals, resonance or some other unknown communication mechanism.

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lyzurd_kween_•

So you’ve essentially described germ theory without pointing at what exactly the “injurious substances and influences” are

Edit what mechanism is syncing the “appearance of contagion”? Eg for people who just encounter each other on a flight but otherwise live totally distinct lives

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vilcedOP•

It is impossible to provide examples that can be applied equally to everyone to explain their experience of symptoms in common with other people. But a few examples may help to illustrate the kind of exposures we may experience to assist the contemplation of those that may apply to you.

One example involves the cleaning products used in the home, office, school or other workplace environment. The harsh chemicals in cleaning products used to clean a school during the summer period for example, may explain the onset of symptoms experienced by many children soon after the start of the new school term. Extremely harsh chemicals are among the ingredients of products used by many industries for purposes such as degreasing machinery.

A further example involves new carpets, furniture or furnishings that may ‘off-gas’ chemicals used in their manufacture for various purposes, such as acting as ‘flame retardants’. Many of these chemicals are known as VOCs (volatile organic compounds).

Other examples may involve products used in agriculture that are toxic by intent, such as pesticides, that people may inhale whilst they are out in the countryside.

Another example of common exposures to ‘injurious influences’ involve EMFs that are similarly difficult to sense, but can be equally harmful to a number of people when they are exposed to an area of high electromagnetic frequencies, whether at home or in the workplace or in the external environment.

These examples, although few in number, should help to illustrate how groups of people may experience similar symptoms at a similar time that gives the appearance of ‘contagion’ when it is in fact the result of a common exposure to ‘injurious substances or influences’.

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lyzurd_kween_•

These examples still feel wholly inadequate to me to explain all cases of transmission of illness between people, but I guess you say it’s not possible to explain all illnesses? I guess I’d respond, at least virology has attempted to find a unified model to explain non bacterial infections. It might behoof the anti virus people to offer a similarly unified model rather than solely nitpicking aspects of virology.

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A single common instance: The majority of people wash in toxic petrochemcals that are absorbed by the skin. That's a lot of people awaiting a toxin purge. Nature runs on cycles. There are specifically sync'ed times for all naturally occurring activity.

Our bodies do still communicate triggers outside of our sensory perception.

Is yawning - immediately after someone in your vicinity yawns - evidence of germ theory contagion?

If someone displays strong emotion in a TV show/movie, do some observers exhibit similar emotion? - yet the conveyance device is merely an illusion of lights and sound. This is also not evidence of the medical interpretation of germs/contagion.

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lyzurd_kween_•

Yawning is an obvious visual cue, that’s not at all comparable or “outside our sensory perception”. Ditto being able to empathise with film portrayals. These examples feel to me like you’re saying all illnesses can be transmitted through psychogenic means?

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LaserHD•

If you truly believe this, go set up an experiment where you are exposed to a pathogen like anthrax or the bubonic plague and prove it to us.

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vilcedOP•

Why would I need to do that? The major bacterial diseases are all asymptomatic, which is a complete contradiction of the idea that infection with the putative ‘germ’ is synonymous with a disease that can be identified, at least to a certain extent, by the symptoms presented by the sufferer.

Chlamydia as an example; according to the CDC, it is difficult to count the cases as most people are unaware they even have the bacteria in them as they have no symptoms of disease. Based upon modeling studies, only 10% of men and as low as 5% of women ever experience any symptoms at all.

Anyone looking at all of this logically can see that bacteria are not the cause of disease. The ones which are blamed are found most of the time in entirely healthy people.

Just because these same bacteria are found in sick people does not make the bacteria the cause of the symptoms of disease one is experiencing.

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go set up an experiment where you are exposed to a pathogen like anthrax or the bubonic plague and prove it to us.

Here are two quotes from Eleanor McBean's book The Poisoned Needle:

"Years ago, Dr. Pettenkofer, professor at the University of Vienna, came to the conclusion that germs alone do not produce pathology and for years defended his position from the lecture platform and in his writings. On more than one occasion he and his assistants swallowed the contents of glasses containing millions of living cholera germs."

"Dr. Thomas Powell of California, who is believed to have taken more germs than any other man, challenged his medical colleagues to produce a single disease by germ inoculation. He was inoculated with cholera germs, bubonic plague germs and bacteria of every description and which was fed to him in every kind of food, yet nothing happened."

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TheCrazyAcademic•

He won't because a lot of vilced work is just fun shower thought theories with no teeth behind them. The only thing I ever agreed with him on is his modern day diet destroying our health like seed oils but everything else the dudes grasping at lots and lots of straws. With diet it's easy to demonstrate the flaws and how it causes cancer with contagion myth stuff it's all pseudoscience theory on the same level as the water has memory theory. He proposes the claim our cells can communicate disease/toxin states remotely to other humans so called state shedding but nobody in decades ever demonstrated anything like that in a controlled lab environment.

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vilcedOP•

a lot of vilced work is just fun shower thought theories with no teeth behind them.

Please explain why.

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with contagion myth stuff it's all pseudoscience theory

Virology is pseudoscience by definition since they don't possess a valid independent variable in order to determine cause and effect, which is a requirement to pursue the scientific method.

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He proposes the claim our cells can communicate disease/toxin states remotely to other humans so called state shedding but nobody in decades ever demonstrated anything like that in a controlled lab environment.

Falsification does not require a replacement. However, it is interesting to speculate on the true nature of things.

I will use an experiment carried out by Luc Montagnier as an example.

Here’s how the experiment goes: first, one puts DNA or RNA in water (beaker one). Then one puts a collection of nucleic acids (the chemicals that make up the DNA and RNA) in a separate water beaker (beaker two), in another part of the room. Then one introduces an energy source, such as UV or infrared light and shines that on beaker one, which contains the formed DNA or RNA. In time, the exact same sequence of DNA or RNA will form out of the raw materials in beaker two. There is no possibility of physical connection between the two beakers.

The only conclusion one can draw from this simple experiment is that the DNA or RNA in the first beaker has a resonance energy picked up by the second beaker. This resonance energy then becomes the blueprint for the formation of the identical piece of DNA or RNA in the second beaker.

This revolutionary experiment is clear and simple - and repeatable. This formation of DNA or RNA in the second beaker can happen only if both beakers have water in them. Without water, no resonance is possible. Even in our string example, it is the water vapor in the air that is resonating.

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TheCrazyAcademic•

If they can prove that in vivo taking two humans injecting one with some concoction substance to make one sick and the other comes down with the same disease state and this resonance is measurable with tools people can get behind contagion myth but no scientist with the resources worth their salt has carried something like this out so it's all theoretical. Resonance is all frequencies there's things like the Schuman resonance looked into a lot of this but I never seen much involving cell to a cell in an entire different body a certain distance away. We know intracellular and extracellular communication between cells present in people's bodies is already a thing it's fundamental biology but again nothing in the scientific literature of one person's cell in one body sending information remotely to another cell in another body just cell2cell in the same body. If you can show convincing prove this happens then a lot of us on the fence will concede but until then it makes for a good night time shower thought. While this in vitro experiment you show is interesting we don't know for sure this is happening human 2 human internally. All we know for sure is environmental toxins can't explain everything nor can bad diet there's a missing piece to the puzzle which virology originally aimed to close these holes in the scientific literature. At minimum we can observe if a human is sick and you have a healthy life style and go near this sick person in a crowd your cells temporarily become sick themselves whether it's a virus an exosome etc is mostly irrelevant anyways it's just the carrier vehicle the important thing is the underlying process of how the information is actually exchanged. If people aren't transmitting virus particles or exosome particles in there sneezes then there bodies must be giving off measurable frequencies that cells can process and churn out proteins in response. I mean now that I think about it it's plausible if you factor in books like the invisible rainbow if external frequencies like radar waves can cause disease states what about internal frequencies coming from our own bodies cells and transmitting them to other nearby humans in a crowd to make them diseased? Jury is still out on that one but it would be groundbreaking if a study ever gets funded and hits the mainstream they would never let it get traction though. If this all ends up being true it has very major implications and can explain all these other diseases like rabies is supposed to be this super dangerous virus but someone told me awhile ago the bite force creates a specific frequency that triggers cells to produce toxic proteins that cause the rabies state but this leads us to the chicken and egg problem how did the first animal get rabies if it's all just a resonance thing like only certain animals can supposedly become rabid and we know the rabies disease state is very real you hallucinate and go brain dead and start foam in the mouth so something is causing people's brain cells and nervous cells in particular to go crazy. If it was just bite force then theoretically any animal with a certain shaped mouth structure and teeth structure would always make the rabies frequency but clearly that's not the case. Also technically contagion will always be partially true because you forget it's proven humans can transmits bacteria parasites and funguses to each other the only real contention most germ deniers have is mainly viruses but some true hardcore ones don't even believe in parasites fungi and bacteria even though we can easily isolate those and see them under a microscope. It's only virology that's flawed never heard any arguments against bacteriology mycology or even parasitology just an interesting angle I wanted to mention.

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lyzurd_kween_•

exactly, there's clearly something tying this shit together; i'd like to hear suggestions that attempt to tie it together like virology, if people want to reject virology. so far no one here has done that.

it would appear OP is on the end of the spectrum that wholy rejects germ theory, not just virology, since they are elsewhere arguing to me against the present scientific understanding of TB, and TB aint a virus. they seem smart enough so I kind of doubt that they don't know its relatively easy to isolate bacterium and view it. this shit just makes no sense to me whatsoever, i'd like some actual critiques of the ideas underpinning virology if i'm to disbelieve it, rather than a bunch of misleading recitation of history and attacking scientists rather than the science.

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vilcedOP•

You are strawmanning.

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lyzurd_kween_•

Prisons originated on the basis of hospitals? I’d wager prisons have existed far, far longer than hospitals.

Also, what explains the effects of pasteurisation?

What killed all those people in 2001?

It sounds like this write up agrees Pasteur was successful in showing transmission of rabies?

Why has TB nearly disappeared in the west when it was relatively common before measures informed by Koch were undertaken (1 in 7 died of TB in Germany at the time!)? You also do realise that kochs “total failure” “killer TB cure” is used to diagnose TB?

Call me conspiratorial but it just all feels like there’s something behind all these coincidences.

(There’s also some nitpicks I could point out with the historical timeline, eg Koch wasn’t kicked out of Germany, he essentially took a vacation to Egypt; Pasteurs frauds were mostly academic in nature, eg not properly testing, lying about methods, and stealing others research, his results were real; etc)

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Also, what explains the effects of pasteurisation?

I'll add something regarding the reasoning for pasteurisation.

The overarching Livery corporate control mechanism does not like honest quality competition. In the UK, they mandated that healthy herds of cattle were dipped in a stronger-than-usual toxic chem bath. This destroyed the livestock. The system named it "mad cow disease". Makes it sound like it was a random product of their "evil" nature bogeyman again, doesn't it? The general public sure believe it is so. So, they wipe out the competition leaving only their mega-corp pharma'd-to-fuck herds, that they over milk until their teets are septic and bloody. This shitty set up makes shitty toxic milk. So they Pasteurise it to neutralise all the filthy organic contaminants [it won't rid the milk of pharma chems] in order to legally sell the muck. The added bonus (as u/vilced rightly points out) is that anything beneficial that was still in the milk gets removed too. It's a win-win for the corporate purveyors of sickness; which are all interconnected under the Knights of Malta world mafia working for the masters.

Something that irks me is that fraud Pasteur was French, yet the French seem to has less problem manufacturing and distributing raw dairy-based products than other European countries all tied up in "raw milk is bad" political red tape.

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like i said elsewhere, i have bought raw milk, i used to be part owner of a cow. i'm aware of what pasteurisation does. i'm not sure how mad cow relates to pasteur though. afaik mad cow disease is a neurodegenerative encephalopathy and has nothing to do with bacteria, mad cow is also something that's extremely easy to see with brain imaging or just by cutting the cow open and looking at its brain. whether its caused by prions, feeding cows ground bones of other dead cows certainly appears to have a causal relationship. that's the same thing that people were saying was gonna cause that neurodegenerative illness in hillary clinton and the podestas, bc they were cannibals.

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like i said elsewhere, i have bought raw milk, i used to be part owner of a cow. i'm aware of what pasteurisation does. i'm not sure how mad cow relates to pasteur though. afaik mad cow disease is a neurodegenerative encephalopathy and has nothing to do with bacteria, mad cow is also something that's extremely easy to see with brain imaging or just by cutting the cow open and looking at its brain. whether its caused by prions, feeding cows ground bones of other dead cows certainly appears to have a causal relationship. that's the same thing that people were saying was gonna cause that neurodegenerative illness in hillayree cleantonne and the podestas, bc they were cannibals.

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I was referring to the sanctioned chemical poisoning of cows by the state under corporate authority.

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vilcedOP•

Also, what explains the effects of pasteurisation?

Pasteurization is a technique responsible for destroying the integrity and health-giving properties of milk. The only effects from pasteurization are negative, not positive.

It's only when cities got big and people had to bring cows into cities and treat them like shit when people might have gotten sick from milk. Cows were starved and poisoned; they were dipped in flea poison, they were fed grains sprayed with arsenic instead of their natural diet of grass, they were fed distillery waste and cardboard, common practice back in the day in many cities around the world. We now know with certainty that any toxins fed to a nursing mammal show up in her milk.

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It sounds like this write up agrees Pasteur was successful in showing transmission of rabies?

Pasteur injected a purée of diseased brain tissue into the brains of dogs through a hole drilled in their skull. You don't think that has anything to do with the dogs occasionally becoming ill?

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Why has TB nearly disappeared in the west when it was relatively common before measures informed by Koch were undertaken (1 in 7 died of TB in Germany at the time!)? You also do realise that kochs “total failure” “killer TB cure” is used to diagnose TB?

With tuberculosis, it is said that 90% of the cases where the bacteria is detected are asymptomatic. Only 10% of the cases ever progress to symptoms of disease and of those, only half succumb to the disease. In other words, nearly all TB cases are in fact regular healthy people.

Hippocrates describes the cause of TB as a “weakness of the lung,” a view shared in the 1930s by the dentist Weston A. Price.

Price observed that peoples living on their native diets exhibited no cases of TB, in spite of constant exposure to smoke from wood or peat in their dwellings, but that the disease was rampant in those born to parents who consumed the “displacing foods of modern commerce” and had narrow faces with crowded and crooked teeth. He believed that a poor diet in utero and during the period of growth resulted not only in weak facial develop­ment, but also a weakness in the lungs, making the offspring especially vulnerable to lung tissue breakdown, a hallmark of the disease.

TB became epidemic during the Industrial Revolution of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, with observers linking the disease to social conditions of the time, poverty, mal­nutrition and overcrowding - in the working classes. In 1838 and 1839 in England, between a quarter and a third of those who died of TB were tradesmen and laborers compared to a sixth who were “gentlemen.” [1].

Moreover, the mortality from TB was al­ready falling long before interventions such as antibiotics and vaccinations.

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lyzurd_kween_•

Pasteurization is a technique responsible for destroying the integrity and health-giving properties of milk. The only effects from pasteurization are negative, not positive.

It's only when cities got big and people had to bring cows into cities and treat them like shit when people might have gotten sick from milk. Cows were starved and poisoned; they were dipped in flea poison, they were fed grains sprayed with arsenic instead of their natural diet of grass, they were fed distillery waste and cardboard, common practice back in the day in many cities around the world. We now know with certainty that any toxins fed to a nursing mammal show up in her milk.

i'm aware of the downsides of pasteurisation, i used to buy raw milk to make my own yoghurt. i have personally seen, with my own eyes, that refrigerated pasteurised milk has a vastly longer shelf life than refrigerated raw milk.

cows had to be kept in cities and treated so poorly because the shelf life of milk was so miniscule before pastuerisation that it couldn't be transported from the countryside.

none of this answers my question though; why does the pasteurisation process show the benefits it does vis a vis reducing illness and preserving shelf life?

With tuberculosis, it is said that 90% of the cases where the bacteria is detected are asymptomatic. Only 10% of the cases ever progress to symptoms of disease and of those, only half succumb to the disease. In other words, nearly all TB cases are in fact regular healthy people.

has this always been the case, ie is this true historically? regardless, so what?

Hippocrates describes the cause of TB as a “weakness of the lung,” a view shared in the 1930s by the dentist Weston A. Price.

Price observed that peoples living on their native diets exhibited no cases of TB, in spite of constant exposure to smoke from wood or peat in their dwellings, but that the disease was rampant in those born to parents who consumed the “displacing foods of modern commerce” and had narrow faces with crowded and crooked teeth. He believed that a poor diet in utero and during the period of growth resulted not only in weak facial develop­ment, but also a weakness in the lungs, making the offspring especially vulnerable to lung tissue breakdown, a hallmark of the disease.

TB became epidemic during the Industrial Revolution of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, with observers linking the disease to social conditions of the time, poverty, mal­nutrition and overcrowding - in the working classes. In 1838 and 1839 in England, between a quarter and a third of those who died of TB were tradesmen and laborers compared to a sixth who were “gentlemen.” [1].

diet, environmental factors, and stress affect health, no argument from me there. none of this is incompatible with TB as an infectious disease.

Mortality from TB was al­ready falling long before interventions such as antibiotics and vaccinations.

because TB was shown to be contagious in the 1880s, and thats when measures were first taken such as essentially forcing people with TB into prison-sanitoriums so they couldn't spread it; another reason TB rates fell was because TB from cattle could be transmitted through milk prior to pasteurisation. Before either, there were efforts at public sanitation that showed a decrease in infection.

Antibiotics and vaccinations are only one piece of the puzzle; again, with this in mind, your chart is not at all in conflict with TB as an infectious disease.

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none of this answers my question though; why does the pasteurisation process show the benefits it does vis a vis reducing illness and preserving shelf life?

Do you have any source for this claim?

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has this always been the case, ie is this true historically? regardless, so what?

The absence of symptoms in these cases means that there can be no disease, despite the presence of the alleged pathogen, which therefore represent a failure to establish a causal relationship. Fun fact: According to the WHO, about one-quarter of the world’s population has a TB. "which means people have been infected by TB bacteria but are not (yet) ill with the disease and cannot transmit it."

The use of the word ‘yet’ is intended to suggest that illness with TB is inevitable, but this suggestion is in complete contrast to the claim that, in 85 to 95 per cent of cases, people ‘infected’ with TB bacteria do not develop tuberculosis.

For those people who do become ill, it is claimed that the TB bacteria had changed their status from ‘latent’ to ‘active’; but, yet again, no explanation is offered for the mechanism by which this change of status occurs

Asymptomatic carriers are deemed to be able to transmit the bacteria, and therefore the disease, whereas those with 'latent infection' are claimed not to be able to do so. This is highly anomalous; yet the medical establishment fails to offer an explanation for their claim that a bacterial ‘infection’ can have two entirely different outcomes. It should be obvious that, if TB bacteria were ‘pathogens’, they should always cause disease and that, if TB were an ‘infectious disease’, it should always be transmissible.

These anomalies and contradictory statements invalidate the claims made about the infectiousness and transmissibility of the TB germ.

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because TB was shown to be contagious in the 1880s

It should be clear that these experiments are only able to ‘prove’ that the injection of noxious matter into animals will cause them to become ill; they do not prove that illness is ‘infectious’ nor 'contagious'.

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Do you have any source for this claim?

well like i said, i used to buy raw milk to make yoghurt, so i've seen with my own eyes the change in shelf life between the two. i could go look for a "verified source" but this is a conspiracy sub and i'm lazy, nothing better than an experiment i ran myself dozens of times. what explains this divergent outcome?

The absence of symptoms in these cases means that there can be no disease, despite the presence of the alleged pathogen, which therefore represent a failure to establish a causal relationship. Fun fact: According to the WHO, about one-quarter of the world’s population has a TB. "which means people have been infected by TB bacteria but are not (yet) ill with the disease and cannot transmit it."

The use of the word ‘yet’ is intended to suggest that illness with TB is inevitable, but this suggestion is in complete contrast to the claim that, in 85 to 95 per cent of cases, people ‘infected’ with TB bacteria do not develop tuberculosis.

For those people who do become ill, it is claimed that the TB bacteria had changed their status from ‘latent’ to ‘active’; but, yet again, no explanation is offered for the mechanism by which this change of status occurs

Asymptomatic carriers are deemed to be able to transmit the bacteria, and therefore the disease, whereas those with 'latent infection' are claimed not to be able to do so. This is highly anomalous; yet the medical establishment fails to offer an explanation for their claim that a bacterial ‘infection’ can have two entirely different outcomes. It should be obvious that, if TB bacteria were ‘pathogens’, they should always cause disease and that, if TB were an ‘infectious disease’, it should always be transmissible.

These anomalies and contradictory statements invalidate the claims made about the infectiousness and transmissibility of the TB germ.

you're ignoring that different people have different immune systems; going from latent to active changes nothing about the TB bacteria, it has to do with the immune system failing to adequately fight the bacteria. this also is in agreement with the bacterial load vs likelihood of transmission your call out for different categories of TB infection.

It should be clear that these experiments are only able to ‘prove’ that the injection of noxious matter into animals will cause them to become ill; they do not prove that illness is ‘infectious’ nor 'contagious'.

yet again, what explains the effects that increased public sanitation, pasteurisation of milk, the vaccine, and eventually antibiotics had on TB; and indeed, that the implementations of these different pieces over time meshes perfectly with your chart showing the decrease in TB deaths over time?

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It is important to note that in the most ancient forms of medicine, such as Traditional Chinese Medicine and Ayurveda, there is no concept of disease transmission.

I'm glad this often overlooked snippet was cited.

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Excellent post, thank you the arguments and providing the research. I agree completely that Virology is stuck up its own ass, they need to be looking for "vibrations" of illness instead of particles, but that would indicate that true healing from infectious disease would be via vibration and frequency, not brutal outdated "inoculation" leading to a revolution in health that won't be profitable, which is why it is being suppressed

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TheCrazyAcademic•

I mean Tesla could of been onto something when he said the key to understanding this world is vibrations frequencies resonances or anything acoustic based basically sounds. Even the bible mentions something like the voice of god rose life from ashes I forgot the verse but I know it had something to do with sound it's all riddles.

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ms80301•

Rabies vaccines for dogs- why annually?

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ms80301•

Now i wonder about cavities as “ a diseased” state 🙋‍♀️🙈😂😳

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TheCrazyAcademic•

Cavities is actually oral microbiome dysregulation not sugars it's the bacteria feeding on the sugars expressing toxic metabolite compounds.

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vilcedOP•

Weston A. Price solved that in the 1930’s. Tooth decay is a result of physical degeneration due to inadequate nutrition.

https://youtu.be/_ti3xNltlsM

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Blitzer046•

I heard a pretty interesting podcast about the history of the smallpox vaccine, where Chinese and Indian sailors would turn up with scars on the their arms. On inquiring as to the source of these, they told Americans that when there was a smallpox victim, they would get the fluid out of some of the bubose that appeared on the skin, and make a small incision in the arm and apply that fluid. Patients would then get a little bit sick, or feverous, but nowhere nearly as sick as had they actually contracted the disease. Afterwards they simply would not catch it under any circumstance.

However, when an American doctor proposed that they trial this activity in their own society, it was literally racism that contributed to the failure of it be immediately embraced - American doctors were too proud to ever copy a practice that the Chinese or the Indians did. It took that doctor inoculating his son and some of his slaves for his suggestion to be taken seriously.

It was also recognised that milkmaids appeared to be immune - at the time they were exposed to cowpox, a version of smallpox, and after mild illness and exposure they would not contract the nastier version of it.

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Really great post! Thanks for taking the time to put this together

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TheCrazyAcademic•

The main flaw with the contagion myth is how do people "catch" something in a crowd and bring it to me and I get sick almost everytime? You can't say toxins because I know what Im exposed to in my environment so that's out. It literally only happens when crowds are involved so the only way to prove contagion is bullshit is to prove the mechanism of disease state exchange which nobody has demonstrated in a scientific setting so the contagion myth will always be stuck in theory craft world. Makes for a good sci fi story but has no functional basis in reality.

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vilcedOP•

I know what Im exposed to in my environment so that's out.

How do you know? That's a bold assumption.

What you are describing are epidemiological observations, which are not proof of any virus or germ causation. The important point to make is that no scientist, virologist or competent medical professional would claim that these epidemiological observations prove the existence of any virus. In fact, the role of epidemiology in medicine and science is primarily to generate hypotheses, which then can be tested in the laboratory to prove causation. Epidemiology can never prove the existence of any virus, nor prove the cause of any disease.

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the only way to prove contagion is bullshit is to prove the mechanism of disease state exchange which nobody has demonstrated in a scientific setting

First of, the burden of proof lies on those making the positive claim; that contagion is a real thing. The physiological and symptomatic manifestations of various toxins have been varified and proven. We know that arsenic can cause paralysis for example.

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Because I studied environmental toxicology as one of my minors in university and make sure most of them are accounted for I don't even sleep on a mattress unless I know the chemical coating and it was off gassed in a ventilated room so the toxic crap doesn't stagnate. But let's hypothetically say there was left over toxins that still doesn't explain disease state transmissions the only time I've ever gotten really sick was when another human was also sick and I passed by them in a crowd so let's say their disease was caused by a toxin how did their toxic infested cells tell my cells to mimic that disease state? That seems to be where everyone's stuck on this contagion myth stuff. I literally made a popular thread ages ago in this very sub how environmental cardiology is one of the most supressed topics in the scientific literature and that high cholesterol and all this other mainstream narrative bullshit doesn't explain the full picture it's actually chemicals like POPs or persistent organic pollutants that float around in the air even things like car exhaust exposure can trigger a heart attack over time. I'm probably as versed if not more versed in this topic then you are I researched all the possible angles and came to the conclusion there's a third missing puzzle piece and that puzzle piece could be cellular frequency transmissions because we know bad diet and environmental toxins cause some disease states but they pale in comparison to the disease states blamed on viruses whatever causes the COVID disease state. When I got COVID whatever it was frequency exosome etc I felt like a truck ran me over haven't ever felt like that so COVID was caused by a "something". https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracyNOPOL/comments/y2pn6t/environmental_cardiology_is_one_of_the_most/ thread I made on that topic btw.

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vilcedOP•

Because I studied environmental toxicology

That sounds very interesting.

The phenomenon of ‘contagion’ is generally believed to be real, because a number of people appear to experience similar symptoms at almost the same time and often in quick succession, which gives the appearance of the transmission of a ‘disease’. But, as the adage states, “appearances can be deceptive”. This adage holds true for disease, because its appearance of transmissibility is deceptive.

I gave a few examples may help to illustrate the kind of exposures we may experience this comment.

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When I got COVID

You didn't get "covid". You took a fraudulent test, and tested positive.

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You can't say toxins because I know what Im exposed to in my environment so that's out.

Do you use regular store purchased toiletries? or, do you use wash products that are made from ingredients you can safely ingest? because your skin absorbs, you know? You wouldn't want anything being absorbed by the skin that wouldn't be something you can put in your mouth - as a toxin proving ground.

Do you use household "cleaning"products [they don't! except bleach - for dealing with excess bacterial buildup] and similar fragrance items?

Those are merely two common examples of toxic Trojan Horses that people with take-for-granted and overlook.

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About the only chemical in that list I use is laundry detergent to clean my stuff but when it comes to hair products I take a natural approach I just use soap and water never been much of a shampoo person I take a minimalistic approach if it's not necessary I don't bother. Like 99 percent of hair and skin products ruin your hair or cause cancer anyways because they absorb topically into the skin and then into the bloodstream which people tend to forget. Literally anything on your skin even pen ink gets into your bloodstream and your scrotal tissue veins near the balls are the worst when it comes to toxin absorption. Chubbyemu on YouTube did a famous episode about some kid that rubbed icy hot cream on his balls and this cream contained the active ingredient in aspirin and got an aspirin overdose because the sack has tiny blood vessels in it. Still wouldn't be enough to cause symptoms that whatever COVID is, caused.

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Taido_Inukai•

Quality post. Saved to read later tonight

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ms80301•

So was he “ maybe right” But never actually proved it… but SAID he did

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