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igalan

Matchmaking does look at the decks and we've known this for a while

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I'm not saying that it matches you against counters, a counter for you is a good matchup for the other player. But it does look at the decks as well as other parameters like tower level. How do we know? Have you started playing and then got nearly the same match up two or three times in a row? This is a regular occurrence for me. If the match making was random the chances of this happening are tiny. And I'm talking of decks that aren't that common, say three times in a row against lava-loon with only two different support cards? Or two sparky decks? The only explanation is that they do look at the decks.

Have any of you had the same match up two or three times in a row? If you play regularly I bet it has happened.

Posted Feb 26, 2023, 9:10 PM UTC

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Bbobbity•

Humans are notorious for seeing patterns where none exist. It’s why we are awful at choosing ‘random’ passwords for example - we see two of the same letter in a row and assume a pattern with a cause. Matching does not take into account decks.

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chomerics•

So you’ve never been hard countered by a deck with low usage multiple times in a row? It happens all the time, if you don’t see it, you are not playing enough or not paying attention.

BTW, I teach data science and I understand randomness. It doesn’t work like cr matching system.

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Bbobbity•

Yes I have and it’s also failed to happen many more times. But we forget the second part because it’s not memorable.

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philosophy2668Rascals :Rascals:•

This is called cope

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MrLil-PimpRage :Rage:•

It is random. Proven over and over. It blows my mind in how anyone can actually think it is rigged and be serious.

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Cancer000PEKKA :PEKKA:•

someone did “prove” the contrary, but they were only able to find correlations between cards that are unlocked at the same arena (like having giant in your deck is more likely to result in opponent having musketeer)

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MrLil-PimpRage :Rage:•

LOL🤦🏻‍♂️

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Cancer000PEKKA :PEKKA:•

yea another conclusion was something like ebarbs or wizard players are more likely to face mk

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MrLil-PimpRage :Rage:•

Yeah. But no. You will win if you are better. You are not better than them and you lost. That is all there is to it.

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JustLurkingAround_Royal Giant :RoyalGiant:•

people who use ebarbs and wizard are gonna be dogshit enough to be stuck in midladder with mk players. bet no conclusion has ever been made above top 1k because no one who believes in this dumb theory is good enough at the game to make it there

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StupidAssMfThree Musketeers :ThreeMusketeers:•

As always with "SC rigging games proof" it's a fallacy. Unless a truly professional study could prove that mm is rigged (spoiler, there's a study that proves the contrary), it's all the same bs.

Step 1: I play my beloved deck

Step 2: I don't care who I beat because I won

Step 3: I remember every single time I lost

Step 4: I find a pattern in the decks I'm losing to

Step 5: "I see too much of insert deck that hardcounters me, SC rigged the mm".

I sometimes have felt like this, looked at my battle log and seen 8 of the last 10 games won. I just convinced myself that I was seeing that deck over and over because I lost twice but it's all fake.

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Cancer000PEKKA :PEKKA:•

yes, it doesn't take too long to realize that the only "rigging" in matchmaking has been done in plain sight with the existence of card levels and the 10% difference

obviously if you have 21% less damage and health on all your cards and king tower, a lot of matches that ordinarily arent supposed to be difficult become impossible

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igalanOPPEKKA•

So you never had the same off-meta deck three times in a row? Because it happens quite often to me, not on the same day thought.

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McFuddleXBow :XBow:•

Not possible. Supercell would have to have a database of every single card combination in the game and what decks to match them against. So unless they have about a trillion servers they literally can’t.

You are seeing patterns where there are none. That’s what humans do, it is normal

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averageredditor45678Skeleton Army :SkeletonArmy:•

Exactly the game is not rigged and everyone who says so is a fucking bastard that feels burnt because they lost in a MOBILE GAME.

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igalanOPPEKKA•

I’m not saying that it matches you against counters. Also I didn’t imply that I lost all these games because of the matchmaking, I didn’t. You’re underestimating what an IA can do in this area.

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McFuddleXBow :XBow:•

Counters, good matchups, whatever, they’d still have to analyze each deck. Which is impossible with a standard system. So they’d have to have some kind of advanced AI that is capable of analyzing the intricacies of every card in the game as well as analyzing card combinations - and then, all other cards and card combinations that should be played against those. It would be a ridiculous feat to make something like that work.

And now ask why they would do it. Because there is literally no reason for them to do this, as you said, a hardcounter for one person is a free win for the other. So it’s not about money. What other motivation could they possibly have for such an expensive and complicated endeavour?

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Kal-El_6500•

Ladder matchmaking is based on trophies & KT lvl below 6k, only trophies above. Cards and their lvls are not factored.

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RacistJacob•

It's just that we don't have maxxed decks. That's literally it. It feels like it's rigged. Definitely. Every win I get on ladder I lose 3 matches, it's not rigged. We are just unlucky.

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Asendra01XBow :XBow:•

Any proof?

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FaponhardwareBomb Tower :BombTower:•

Confirmation bias

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StupidAssMfThree Musketeers :ThreeMusketeers:•

The fact that I can encounter 3 piggies fireball bait decks in a row which will inevitably lead me to the psychiatric hospital doesn't mean that supercell purposely matches me against the same archetype 3 times.

The fact that I can encounter 3 egolem one trick scrubs in a row and get the easiest 9 crowns of my life doesn't mean SC is rigging matches in my favor either.

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ErtosAcc•

Did you never get the urge to play a particular deck after seeing someone else play it? Streaming and videos have a huge influence on the player base and what you're experiencing might just be the effect of someone dropping a new video. Or someone like Morten is streaming, playing a fun looking deck with 2k people watching.

I'm not saying this is 100% what's actually happening, but it sounds way more likely than what you're suggesting.

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turtlebambiPEKKA :PEKKA:•

You do know this game has been data mined to hell, right? If there was any such thing it would be very well known

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Adventurous_Web_3434XBow :XBow:•

it’s 100% rigged been saying this for years , anyone who thinks it isn’t is slow

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Geheim1998Goblin Barrel :GoblinBarrel:•

blud istg your stuck in like pekka playhouse or sum

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Adventurous_Web_3434XBow :XBow:•

ultimate champ 7k trophies as a lvl 13 been playing for years if it doesn’t feel rigged to you then that’s you don’t try to ego 😂

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Geheim1998Goblin Barrel :GoblinBarrel:•

aight then let me guess, the rigg that so that people invest more money in the game?

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JustLurkingAround_Royal Giant :RoyalGiant:•

top 1k finishes, higher than 7.5k pb legacy, been playing since launch and calling it rigged is an excuse players who want to blame their losses on something use

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Adventurous_Web_3434XBow :XBow:•

it’s been a theory for years look it up . If players needed excuses i don’t think they would result to this , there’s way more to complain about in this game than that . Also account name ?

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HypodonBattle Healer :BattleHealer:•

Scill issue.

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Geheim1998Goblin Barrel :GoblinBarrel:•

nah never happend to me tbh

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Ok_Atmosphere3190•

agreed. I've had mk+hog rider decks 4 or of 5 matches, happens a lot. idk how ppl say it's random. so many cards I literally never see and with 1,000s of ppl playing this game I should see every one of those cards. Instead I see the same decks over and over.

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StupidAssMfThree Musketeers :ThreeMusketeers:•

What trophies are you in??? Mk and hog rider are extremely overplayed in low leagues/mid-ladder. On the other hand, you rarely see archetypes like xbow, 3 musks or lava hound in those ranges because nobody plays them.

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Ok_Atmosphere3190•

I feel you. I'm at 6900. where do you start seeing less mk?

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StupidAssMfThree Musketeers :ThreeMusketeers:•

Not in trophy road I'm afraid. I haven't played that mode since I had to grind for the monk.

In path of legends you usually start seeing more competent players in grand champion and royal champion, basically when you can't abuse golden steps anymore. In champion, there are still quite a few mid-ladder menaces but it's already better than the first leagues.

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Ok_Atmosphere3190•

hmmm I think I'm about done with trophy road for awhile

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