T17 have given an update that is very promising and actually addresses specific issues.

:HLL_Salute: Thank You! :HLL_Salute:

So to be clear, actions speak louder than words, as they say themselves in this update, and I won't be counting my chickens before they hatch, but if they come through on what they are suggesting in this update I think they can restore faith.

Here it is

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/686810/view/6055700197105748941

The summation

  1. They will be delaying update 15, date to be announced, to give more time for fixes.

  2. They will be bring back some version of PTE so they can have player feedback on new features before releases.

  3. They have increased their QA resources as they feel their QA was lacking.

  4. They have given specific information about fixes they intend to bring out 22nd of June, next week.

  • lowered sprint acceleration, aimed to reduce zigzag meta.

  • dive to prone stopped being able to cancel the animation, to try and stop chained dolphin dive

  • Fixing the XP issues

  • British weapons, zeroing, weapon sway sight issues (no mention of some issues with the actual models sights and closeness to the screen, or loadouts yet)

  • Fix for "holding F" issues, eg can't when map is open etc.

  • Clipping Breathing audio fixed (now replaced with "we have taken a ger...", No :) just fixed)

A few other small ones. Other than that they also mentioned some things for later such as the firefly being penned frontally.

They mention they are now beginning to track some other know bugs and plan to resolve these before U15.

And they mention wanting to be more transparent going forward and communicating what is actually happening.

Again, this is not me saying they are off the hook, actions not words, but this is what they need to be making clear in Dev briefs etc, and if they follow through on this they are making well considered decisions here.

Of course they might nail it, fucked it up, or maybe they do this but it still heads more arcade, time will tell.

This brief is not broad apologies, but sets out specific actions they are taking that they can, and will, be held too. It genuinely acknowledges some of the things they see as issues with their approach, as in taking responsibility.

This is what a lot of us have been asking them for and the level of push back and feedback has lead to a realisation, at least by the looks of it.

So well done community, and, if they deliver, well done T17.

It's perfectly acceptable to make mistakes, and having some teething issues when taking on a project like this is understandable, plus BM were not perfect and neither is HLL.

What wasn't acceptable was not being clear on why any of this is happening, apologising but not actually expressing faults and what they were, not actually suggesting changing direction at all, making changes with wide effects and not even mentioned them, and leaving us all hanging whilst from the outside it just looks like a disaster.

This is far more how to approach it, like any relationship really.

And finally.

For anyone who is going to say "more words, don't be sucked in". This is a genuinely positive step in communication. As I said, actually pulling it off is what will count most, so let's see. But let's also recognise this is different from all others Comms so far in a mea ingul way.

For anyone who is going to say "see, what was all the fuss about". All the fuss is quite likely partly what resulted in them considering direction and communication. The feedback was important. We care about the game, that's why we don't want it to go to shit. I don't stand behind anyone who got nasty, but direct and harsh but honest criticism through all available channels was required here. And hey, it's still words for the moment, but better ones.

Posted Jun 16, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC · edited

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tishmaster•

Yep definitely actions speak louder than words. But holy crap I did not expect a company to actually do what customers asked for. Got to give them credit for that.

On the actions part. We should change our negative reviews to positive if they actually fix this stuff. Fair is fair

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ScottSoules•

If all that happens is they released a ahitty trailer but listened to the player base and made changes then yeah you guys better change your reviews

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tishmaster•

I will for sure. But I'm not going to change it yet until they actually do something.

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FBPrime•

Looks good so far. Just need to wait for when changes are implemented.

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rwatttt•

It’s a good first step. T17 has put out the fire, now they need to rebuild the house. Take the time between now and the end of the year for almost entirely polishing and bug fixes. No new content till then (apart from british weapons to sort out the weirdness they have at the second, e.g maybe adding the SMLE and m1928 thompson, use p14 and lanchester less in roles, fill those gaps with No4s (or SMLEs) and stens (or m1928s), give the bren it’s bipod etc etc). Add the Finns and Poles at the end of the year if you are confident, but for now, focus on refining and fixing what’s there so it doesn’t stack up like this again.

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compersiousOP•

Agree pretty much. Fingers crossed.

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danmoore2•

Still doesn't explain how their shitty trailer managed to exist though..

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compersiousOP•

Agree.

But I really don't care exactly how that happened, though it would be fascinating to know :D

I do care that they acknowledge they had a problem, lack of QA, and what they are suggesting doing about it, increasing QA.

Will it work, don't know, but if they do it it's a good move.

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berry130160•

They mentioned increasing QA (Quality Assurance) resources as one of their points.

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CapitalOneDeezNutz•

I get it, but none of us are quality assurance experts and 99% of us saw how ridiculous that trailer was. Lmao don’t need a degree to notice a shitty work.

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tishmaster•

A trailer is just a trailer. As long as the finished product is worth the money and they don't ruin the game I can overlook a bad trailer 10 times out of 10

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BobbyFrespina90•

Just to confirm are they stopping dive when running? I think this is quite realistic for example if you run and see a tank you would be diving into cover

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compersiousOP•

Will still be able to dive to prone, but no chain it, as in dive up dive up dive up whilst still going basically sprint speed.

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Wolfskyler•

Not gonna believe it till i see it

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The holding "F" to give up still works for me with the map open. Just opening the map resets it. You have to open open and then start giving up. But a patch to fix a bunch of glaring issues could be huge. Team 17 could earn the communitys trust with a few easy moves.

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Beffanator•

I agree, I hope they follow through.

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A-C_Turtle-Bay•

Well, so far, all they’ve done is talk about it. Let’s see if they actually live up to them fancy words that have already turned this subreddit back into its positive self. Keep the heat on till they follow through

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compersiousOP•

Agree.

I think the heat remains on through having seen the results previously, people leaving their reviews reversed until the QA improvements, Comms improvement, and involving the community more in decisions has been shown to be true.

But I also think it's reasonable to recognise something positive and acknowledge that as well not in the interest of balance, as it's not 50/50, but in the interest of accuracy.

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swdel•

T17 creates bugs that never existed before. T17 then swoops in and fixes bugs that never existed before. While bipods will never be looked into, freelook will never be implemented, and things we never asked for are implemented with new bugs, then new bugfixes. We are in a spiral of horrible development.

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Papalal13•

Yes yes lowered sprint yessss

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EVERYONESCATTER•

Community: hey stop doing cringe T17: ok we’ll try Community: wait what

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So now you understand how to talk with corporations xd. Don't even listen to these animals saying not to post your opinion in steam reviews

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StolGang•

Damn , i started to be so good at ZigZag

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compersiousOP•

That's actually the thing that annoyed me the most. Not hitting guys who are zigzagging and chain diving, but needing to do it if I wanted to be as effective as them at crossing ground.

Sometimes I refused on principle and just got shot.

I love checking the corners, crawling a good distance, moving with a squad etc. But just running around hitting shift Ctrl w w shift Ctrl over and over for the chained dive or zig zagging everywhere gets so annoying to do, constantly button mashing etc >< XD

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StolGang•

i feel the same .
And to be fair , i alway use Zig Zag for funny moment .

When i see my squad clying down , trying to be sneaky , i scream on chat :
" OK guy , let me show you , this is a waaaaay ! "

And most of the time i die before get to a covered position .

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Noshot125•

a complete waste of time they are still toally ignore basic core meta that is out dateed and still NSFW

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compersiousOP•

I personally think that's a bit of an unfair standard, and this is coming from someone who currently has a negative review which will stay that way until they pull this off because as they said, actions speak lower than words.

I actually wrote a "criteria to change the review back" and what they have said pretty much nails it, almost perfectly. Let's see.

But it's a subjective thing so your opinions fair enough, different standards.

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Noshot125•

when did your current negtive review go in? mines been in before it was the cool n called thing to do. it's been in since Black Matter were in charge and nothing has changed to date so my old years old negitive review basicly apply's to Team 17 almost word for word cos it's still valid.

Iv been sepaking out about the unfit state of the game for years but get ignored cos it mean's the devs would have to addmit they were wrong, and actully ahve to attempt to fix things which was we beyond their amatuer capabilitys and that is what we have seen of Team 17 and their muilti studio crew to date.

different standard's you say? You have no standard's you don't know wtf a standard is! you got no backbone GTFO! weak, pathetic poor excuse for a person even the mod's can't defend your pathetic manipulation attmept's!

You opinion and review are worthless your just flip flopping cos and when it suit's you to do so it's mental and emotional blackmail and manipulation and that make's a realy bad person in fact it wakes you a total C**t! lowest of the low! I have absolutely no time or respect for this kind of behaviour and in fact I staunchly dispise folk that pull this kind of crap with a passion!

you are another working example of everything wrong with this community and wrong with this world today of people are truely bad. the thing's I do to manipulators liek yoIR can't be repeated here.

I fit was within my power I'd ban your pathetic, mental and emotionally, manipulative, loser, butt outta here and ban you from game too.

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Someones cranky.

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pepsibookplant•

Really turned into trump the second half of that bud

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EmergencyGrand1901•

Jesus, I think I had a stroke trying to read that...

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