New Ranked Doubles Map: Immolate - Non-competitive?

I completely agree. Visually, it's a 10x worse version of Uneeq's Annamite. When I first spawned I thought it looked like maybe it's designed around skill jumps. The first thing I said was I thought it looked like a parkour map. I haven't played it enough to be sure, but from my initial impressions it doesn't really even seem to have skill jumps. Just super exposed jumps off trees that visually don't even look like you can stand on them. There's very little lighting that cues you where you can go off spawn, there are walkable platforms that are so sloped you can't tell they're traversable, there's no indication which edges will make you fall to your death (who is taking the time to tiptoe to an edge and look down to see if they can jump mid-match?) and so on...

I just don't get it. If this was someone's very first forge map and they were asking for critique, I'd have a lot nicer things to say. But the fact that it's in Ranked is absurd.

Yeah I think if I got it in Social Doubles I'd think it was a fun time. When my CSR is on the line I'm not so forgiving. I really don't get how this made it to Ranked Doubles and not that much better Japanese one with OS in bottom mid.

You don't need to hit the lift to get skewer.

Interesting, that helps, I guess you just time a slide or something?

The traversal of trees and skill jumps is part of what makes it good.

There are skill jumps? I've only seen basic jumps and things like the trees and the sloped broked floor thing. They don't require skill, they're just out in the open and not readable since they don't look at all solid. The mushrooms on that other forge map are a much better example of how that should be done.

If you're falling off the map, that's on you for not knowing the map. Go into a custom game and mess around with it for 10 minutes or so to learn the jumps

I actually didn't fall off the map at all. At one point I fell off the side and thought I was going to die, but I landed on floor below. That said, this is absolutely not a valid argument. There's a reason dev maps make it very obvious which pits will kill you. It's readable for first-time players. By your logic, every map could just be gray blockouts with no lighting and pits placed at random, half of which kill you, and you could just say "learn the map."

I know that's taking it to the extreme, but consider my example: I didn't even know they added more maps to Ranked Doubles. Is it really logical to expect players to look at the game list, find any maps they don't know, search them, bookmark them, and play a custom game in them to learn the ropes before jumping into Ranked? No, the simple solution is to design the map's visuals in a way that makes it very obvious which jumps are lethal and which are not. Here are a few examples of how that can be done with ease:

• Put hip-height walls at all edges where you die if you fall off. If there is no half-wall, you can safely walk off.
• Add red lights at the edges of death falls.
• Add greenery around the periphery of the level, and put greenery on all the death ledges.

All that said, I'm sure you're right I'll enjoy it more with more play time. Getting better at anything is enjoyable. But as of now I still don't see what makes it good for competitive. It feels like baby's first forge map to me.

By far the only map in the entire Playlist that works for 2v2. Halos maps aren't built for 2v2 except this one.

If you want a map with verticality that you can fall off of, just add Lockout.

Does this map really have skill jumps? I didn't see any, but of course I only played one game.

Really lol? You sure it ain't your guns? I get this map less than any in the Playlist.

The worst map I've played in Halo Infinite (social and ranked) is Salvation. Specifically, Salvation KOTH.

Eh, I don't love Chasm, but at least it looks good, it's readable, there are some jumps that take more skill than others, there is a small, balanced sandbox, no drop wall, no major rat spots, and there are plenty of areas you can play where you aren't vulnerable to being repulsed off the edge. Oh and no weird gimmicks like the Skewer-Mancannon or the tiny glowing tree branches you can stand on.

Chasm is easily the worst map. Absolute dog water.

I agree Catalyst sucks balls for Doubles. I haven't played Doubles on Bazaar, but I imagine it's also not great. Chasm is okay.

Is there any reason you like it other than it being small? Because there are many better maps for 2v2 out there. All three from the original community playlist are better. I don't understand why they'd add this one.

I get the joke, and I'm sure I agree with you in most cases. This is the first time I've ever made a post about anything in the entire game being non-competitive though, so I'm not one of those whiners.

Have you tried this map? What are your thoughts on it?

It gives me CE vibes more than anything, like Boarding Action or Chiron TL-34. Someone else in this thread said the same, although they think of it as a good thing and I think of it as bad. I think it gives classic game vibes because it feels less like a map that had a lot of top-down thought put into it and more like throwing random ideas at the wall to see what sticks. More gimmicks and less flow/fairness.

I'm also "old school" in that I first played CE, and H2 was the first one I played a ton. Didn't play much H3 and then stopped playing until like 3 years ago when I played through all but 5 in the lead-up to infinite.

Wow I didn't realize the Crash Bandicoot aesthetic, but you're absolutely right.