Sometimes it's more fun this way
Posted Dec 6, 2023, 9:48 PM UTC
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Atheist still feels like a weird gimmick to me
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It sounds more fun than it actually is in my experience but I like that it exists
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Every time, it feels like storyteller is the only one having fun. Win or lose it just feels so unsatisfying.
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I wouldn’t say it’s every time, but I think atheist and maybe to a greater extent the amnesiac attract attract ST’s that want to do wacky things more than they want to make a balanced and fun game
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I think that's the mark of an ST who shouldn't be running an Atheist script
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Depends on how it is run, you can have amazingly fun atheist games if the storyteller knows how to run it
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Just my two cents: even in the best of circumstances, I think I'd rather play an actual game of Clocktower than a simulated one. And if the Atheist is only there for evil to bluff it, then any number of roles would probably work on the script instead.
Not every role is going to mesh with every player, for sure, but the Atheist is a fairly massive change to gameplay. Some people like it, great. But I don't.
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Eh….gimmick, maybe, but for me it works, like it’s meant to be a role that, allows for a lot of ‘what if’ games, which are only possible, or indeed fun, with experienced storytellers, who truly internalized that idea that a storyteller’s job is to make a fun game for everyone.
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I always thought it would work better as a fabled. A friend of mine came up with a neat fabled version where at least one player (could be more) would be informed if it was in/not in play (like a widow’s call)
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In my experience, the Atheist drip feeding other players their role over the course of the game, or even refusing to tell anyone is the best tactic.
No one believes the Atheist when they come out. And unless there's a Saint on the script, there's no way to lose until Final 3. Worst case scenario is you come out early, the town believes you, everyone votes to kill the Storyteller and you lose because the Storyteller made you the Drunk. May as well play it out, let people figure it out on their own and then come out publicly during Round Robin.
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Technically the best tactic is out day 1, get executed day 1, and then point out how much weird stuff is happening as it does. It gives you way more credibility than a minion coming out on the final day or implying it in a way that they can back out of later if they're caught in a lie. You can try to figure out if you're the drunk with town, outing at the end is just going to give town less time to take the Atheist into account and build the correct world.
But that's not very fun. Atheist games are more of an experience rather than a game to solve, so sit back and watch town implode with the ST's shenanigans.
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I feel like it really comes down to whether Drunk is on the script. If it isn't, yeah best play is probably to come out immediately. But if you could just be the Drunk, you probably want to work on determining if you are first, before potentially giving a real Evil team a world to build around. Might even catch a minion out claiming Atheist on their own because they think one isn't in the game.
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The issue is that an atheist has no reason to stay hidden, the conversation will go "so is anybody the atheist?" and if nobody comes out then they just agree it's not an atheist game. Coming out as an atheist at the end is going to have a lot of suspicions of you being evil and trying to save the game last minute.
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In my experience, that's not how it goes at all. 80% of 'Atheist' games that I've been a part of ends with good team losing because the Atheist, or Atheist bluff, came out early, if not immediately. Town is now thinking of thinking of ways that you're evil, or if they should attempt a Day 2 Storyteller kill. They're stop working together to figure out an Atheist game.
If the Atheist comes out in Final 7, everyone in town is begging for an Atheist to come out because enough is not making sense. But an Atheist doesn't come out, so they think of worldviews that make sense. But none exist. So Town starts working together to try to figure out who the evil team is... but no one seems evil. Then the Atheist comes out during Final 3, everyone is angry with them, but it solves everyone's worldview. They confidently execute the Storyteller.
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"Both of them should be happy to not execute at final 3. Don't see why I should interfere..."
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I made atheist into a homebrew demon and have never looked back.
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A mayor loves when the evil team bluffs mayor. Great! you don’t want to nominate at final 3 either.
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