QPAD vs Dignitas, more DDOSing in this game too.
Sneyking D/C, his teammates say his getting DDOSed and is restarting his modem.
What do? PLS RIOT FIX
Also does this rarely happen in Asian scene because many of the top teams over there live in teamhouses? Removing the need for Skype thus it's much harder to find the I.P Address of teams like i.G/LGD.
TBH this is just pucking crappy and something needs to be done. aL vs EG ruined. Kapai vs VP ruined. Now what?
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This is just getting retarded. Something needs to be done about this. I don't know what, but action needs to be taken. 3 alleged DDOS attack in 2 days ridiculous. I feel really bad for the admins and the players, this is obviously not in their control and may have pretty bad consequences.
The solution is to stop using Skype.
Just. Stop. Using. Skype.
I love people who think skype is the only issue. As a somewhat techy person I could get someones IP through IRC, steam, ventrilo, and probably other voips and chats which i havent tried it on. Avoiding skype isnt the solution
The whole issue is that with skype if you have someones username then you have their IP. Skype also doesn't encrypt any of this data. It is all in plain text. Any script kiddie can pay for access to a botnet, look up your IP from skype and boom you are dos'd.
You couldn't get it through ventrilo(or mumble, or anything else) if youd idn't know the server. With skype all you need is their username, which is fairly common knowledge in addition to showing up on stream.
Listen to this man, because you can go through significantly more effort to get an IP through other means, we might as well ignore that Skype has been the problem almost every time in the past.
IRC is, indeed, vulnerable. However, it's not "if i know your user name i know your IP" vulnerable.
Aside from that, running IRC through a proxy or IP anonymizer (or getting a network that conceals IPs, which i believe is possible) is easier since... well... it's IRC instead of a VOIP program.
/mode $username +x?
They'd used the Skype fix to prevent their IP being obtained.
skype fix only works if you change your IP address after setting up the fix. If they got your IP from it before you did this it helps nothing.
I brought up the same thing to Aui2000, and he said that Fogged was aware and had changed his IP after applying the fix.
It hasn't worked for anyone else... Why haven't they learned...
There are PLENTY of other applications out there to use.
Dolby Axon is a good alternative, if they don't like the press-to-talk function of other voice chats.
What has skype got to do with it?
It's absurdly easy to obtain a Skype users IP address.
Skype makes it very, very easy to obtain anyone's IP address, and from there DDoS them.
Maybe mumble is a better?
Why the hell would you add random people to your skype?
the attacker is probably getting their IP address by calling them through skype and retrieving the ip address of the destination pc.
doesn't even need to be a skype call.
Wouldnt privacy settings simply solve this?
They said they used the skype fix.
Here's the Skype fix:
The problem isn't just teams using Skype to talk during a match. Tournament organizers/admins need to stop using Skype as well to schedule matches with teams, because that is still making everyone have to use Skype.
It doesn't matter if you're using Mumble or RaidCall or whatever during your game, if you still have to talk to the tournament admins over Skype to set everything up.
Basically, the only solution to the problem is to have literally the entire scene of Dota stop using Skype and switch to something else. Which would be a challenge.
*7. Lose the ability to communicate with other teams to arrange scrimming, tournament admins, team managers, sponsors etc..
Do you think people are using Skype because it's a really great program that works well with no problems? No, they use it because of its proliferation.
Exactly! I really don't get why this is that big of an issue. Skype is AWFUL and full of gaping security holes, and Mumble is objectively better in every way. Have your 4 teammates all download Mumble, problem solved. It takes two minutes at most.
Skype is for talking to grandmas. My buddies and I have had a Ventrilo for years upon years... better latency, no security holes with all of the features and then some.
If only there were a different program that would give ALL the same features as skype. Sure mumble/vent/teamspeak give better audio communication between teammates but skype is used for organizing scrims and stuff like that. If your team is the first to switch off you lose that line of communication, you lose the easy access to high level scrims.
Use Steam's own text and voice chat? Steam community group chat rooms (which allow voice)?
This was my thought instead of using skype. My buddies and I just do a group chat and all is well. We don't need an extra program up and taking up bandwidth.
Don't know how much it can stop DDoS attacks though.
Steam community groups don't save chat logs.
It is possible to pull an IP from steam as well.
Raidcall? Can't believe nobody has said it yet. They've been extremely supportive of Dota 2 and sponsoring stuff like crazy, and I've had no problems with it. So why not?
This is a really archaic way of going about things. But maybe a phone(inter-team communication)? Or e-mail?
You sound old :P
Well, IRC is still there, I guess.
You don't get local chat logs while you're not online with IRC. That's a very important feature to have.
Dolby Axon; you can make private "chat rooms" where people can just go in and out.
Was about to make this same comment.
Personally I hate Skype, and was a Vent fanboy for years. Eventually tried and hated Raidcall and Teamspeak but switched to Mumble for audio quality. Was eventually shown Axon and haven't gone back since.
It has all the features you need and none of the features you don't, IMO.
I don't need an IM client or Overlay (Skype, Raidcall), I don't need a special server (Ventrillo, Mumble, Teamspeak). Axon has none of those (at least by default).
Text chatting is available, but it's a side-feature rather than a main feature, which works much better IMO.
Also, there was no audio setup at all for Axon. I've heard of nobody having issues with the voice-activated transmission if they have a headset.
Compared to everything else I've used, the setup was the fastest and the program works perfectly. I love it so much that I refuse to use anything else.
Sorry, bit of a rant, but man this axon is some sexiness.
"All" of the features of Skype include getting DDOSed :)
Mumble has some nice features that Skype lacks, as well.
People looking for an exact slot-in replacement are going to be disappointed, but their disappointment is irrelevant to solving the problem.
Put on your big-kid trousers and fix the problem.
I said this on this very subreddit and got downvoted and hated to hell, now people agree... I wasn't that wrong by the looks of it.
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According to Dignitas they can get peoples IP through Steam voice chat, and you don't even have to asnwer
I believe its possible to pull an IP from steam now as well.
what exactly is the issue with skype that just fucks with every professional gamer?
Mumble Mumble Mumble...
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"Mom? Yeah, listen. Can we switch to Facetime? I can't use Skype anymore. No, tell Nana to get an iPhone. Anything about the iPhone 4s should be fine. Yes, I know she has a 3Gs, she's a fucking noob and should uninstall."
People forget that you can get anything you want via console on steam.
Including server ip on which game is played and every players IP.
It's not skype :).
Yeah, something needs to be done about this. We need to see the fucking proofs, bring me some netstat.exe screenshots atleast!
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No.
No.
That is how the internet works, if ISPs didnt give out your IP, you wouldn't have internet.