I will "steal" the ADC's kill if they are clearly in danger of dying. (small rant)
Posted Jun 15, 2013, 1:51 PM UTC
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Stupid people gonna be stupid. Just ignore their dumb comments and proceed to spend that juicy kill gold on something that you want. You're not in the game to teach them how to play (unless that is what you enjoy doing ofcourse).
Some games you're just not going to get the last hit on champions as an adc but if that means I get to freefarm for a minute or take an objective you bet your ass I'm content.
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As a main support, I take kills for a few reasons only:
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You aren't in lane and I just killed them both myself. Hey, it happens. Towerdive a nunu, or a leona, and watch them die. People get overconfident. Have gone 6/0 like this before and had my ADC moan because I'm "stealing kills".
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You aren't able to last hit them because you can't towerdive due to health etc. If they dive under a turret and you aren't going to be able to kill them, I'll dive in, kill them, back out. Some gold is better than no gold and if I see a definite kill with no risk attached, I'll take it.
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You are at risk of dying. This is the one that seems most like killstealing: if there's a fed mid ganking us, I will try to kill them with everything I have. If I take that kill, I don't care. You aren't dying. Now shut up and farm.
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#4. You are not my carry, you are 0/7 and will continue to feed. I'm not having someone feeding that is also worth gold. Go away. This applies to any role anywhere. If you're 0/7 and still getting burst down by them.. don't take kills. Just farm, farm, farm.
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Sometimes, the adc is dead because they were 3. and still attempted 2. and therefor aren't 1. Most of my support kills recently tend to be of this kind. Silly adc, so greedy, not realizing how much it costs to die.
And even then I get flamed for stealing his kills and dying because I bought those frickin' wards to protect him instead of armor or damage or health or something for me. When my adc does this, I just drop wards and leave his lane. I'll gank/push mid or something. Have fun in bot. When mid, top or jungle does the flaming, I'll just help someone else in the teamfights, or just stay with my adc and not roam to help them wherever unless my adc also goes there. Yes, I'm petty like that.
noob support uninstall
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"I'll go to that TF in mid cuz that mofo treats me right"
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It's really annoying when your other teammates flame you for "kill stealing" as well.
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I went 4/0 as Taric recently because of #1. ADC said I was the reason he couldn't buy his items, not the fact that he was hardly farming or anything. Which is another thing that annoys me with ADCs. We supports don't have the luxury of getting those last hits in and getting gold a lot faster. So if I "steal" your kill, you still have a way of acquiring gold in a more efficient manor than us.
Blah.
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5 . If it is an unassisted kill this far and casting a spell/auto-attacking the champ is the only way for me to get an assist and despite my prayers not to last-hit with it, I unfortunately got the kill.
That's pretty much the only time i got accused for KS-ing and I can kinda understand. But usually when you give your reasoning they kinda shut up. Even if they don't agree they at least don't think I'm intentionally trying.
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And yet, If you jump in to save them and die trying, they never complain that you steal their deaths...:)
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Oh I love when I get flamed for that.
"WTF, insert support I'm playing, you could have easily killed them"
No I really couldn't have, because I ate a skillshot and a few AA's so your punk ass could run back to a safer spot.
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Until proven otherwise, your ADC is an idiot. I don't try to steal kills, but if there is even a remote chance that their ADC can escape, I'm getting him and my ADC is just going to have to live with it.
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Also, some supports make it hard not to accidentally take a kill now and then. My main support is Nami, and her heal bounces around if there are enemies in the area. Sometimes I throw my ADC a heal to try to save his life, and the kill ends up going to me. It happens.
On a side note, her ult knocks up and slows, it's not always an initiation. About 50% of the time I'm using it to save someone that's being chased, or give someone a chance to escape when a fight stops going their way. It has a fast cooldown, and to avoid a well aimed one they have to avoid about half the lane and go the long way around, so even if I miss it's not a complete waste.
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This is particularly relevant with ignite becoming more common on supports. If you're the ADC, remember the job of your support is to keep you alive, then secure you kills, not the other way around.
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Thank you for saying ADC's should ward. I don't care what position I am playing, I am always warding. For an ADC, it can be the difference of being ganked from tri bush or picking up a kill on the jungler since you had vision. So many ADC's need to realize this. Good rant though. Definately a probelm that I see being a bronze player.
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My friend has had this happen a lot and he told me the way he thinks about it, the only kill count that matters is the team count. If he and his support are in a 2v1 and he stands a better chance of getting killed than the support does does, he's happy to back off and let the support get the kill. He still gets the assist and the gold bonus the support receives will put the support well on his way to having one more support item done. You're in the right and any ADC who doesn't know when to back off and not risk a 1:1 trade when a 1:0 is almost certain is an idiot.
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KS is short for Kill Secured in my book. I've seen plenty of games where a Janna sniped a few early kills with tornados, the team said "it's just the support".
She went tear->AA staff and melted us late game and shielded her carry like crazy. Supports are OP with gold.
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I steal kills as support in any situation.
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When I play support, I take all kills if I can get the regardless. All I do is say sorry and continue on since I need to carry my team as a support
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I give no fucks. It's my job to save the ADC's ass and if that means he gets one less kill then, so be it. Between getting accused of not protecting him and getting slammed because of "kill-stealing", I'll take the kill. More gold for us, less for them. And I will babysit this stupid ADC so hard he's going to be breathing my support smell until he throws up compliments or the game ends and I move onto the next one.
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(⌐■_■) Deal with it
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as someone who likes to play adc idc who gets it i just want an assist at least but when im going 0/1/11 i would sincerely enjoy some lovin from a kill (when playing adc this has happened)
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As a support, you support the TEAM, not the carry. I'll give the adc the kills of course, but it means they will die if I don't do something, I will do something about it. I'd rather "steal a kill" and save my adc from dying, give them an assist, and a chance to keep farming, than let them die before I get the kill.
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Yeah, if I'm solo queue I just let them die and get the kill after. Not worth the rage in chat.
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That last sentence about your selfishness you want as items as support... says me enough.
You shouldn't prioritise stats over vision. If you got additional gold, you can buy them, not just skip wards and go for stats first.
Edit: Sure downvote me, vision is important and wins games. Having vision control allows your team to get objectives, and will net you more gold than the rushed giants belt or something you want. I'm not talking about the whole thing of taking kills, which is completely fine. Him refusing vision control? not.
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Wait, its selfish to want to be more tanky or buy an item that has some aura or has an active that will help in teamfights?
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That you decide you want to starve your team members from gold and/or vision for the use of getting items yourself. While you are the person in the team that doesn't require items to do well, while the others do.
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It's not up to the support to be the only warding.
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I acquire enough gold to buy wards and armor or mr or support items. I'm not going to solely buy wards because my ADC thinks he doesn't have to contribute if he has left over gold.
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A support who dies within seconds of a team fight is worthless. I'm not going to ult with sona and then die, I'm not going to stun with taric then die. I'll help in team fights by initiating and peeling their ADC and, key word here, survive. Thus allowing my team to kill their ADC. Then we can 5 man rush an objective or continue a team fight 5v4.
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The ADC should be farming in the early stages of the game, so please, don't tell me I'm stealing gold when they can amass gold a lot more efficiently than me because they can last hit minions.
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Not to mention a ward is worth only 3-4 minions... Hardly a problem for an adc or anyone who is farming to contribute.
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The idea that supports don't need items is GREATLY over-exaggerated. While the utility in their kits is often based on levels (and CDR, which you get from ITEMS), a Ruby Sightstone costs money, an Aegis costs money, a Locket costs money. What the ADC loses out in a "kill secure" by the support is 200g tops (assists grant 50% kill gold divided by the number of people assisting, so if support secures first blood, he gets 400g and the ADC gets 200g), but what he gains is a crazy good level advantage and free farming until the enemy ADC comes back. That 150-200g that the ADC lost out on is easily made up by the time the enemy comes back to lane. In the meantime, your support has picked up a Sightstone and warded their tri, your lane bush, and pinked dragon. Guess who's safe from jungle ganks and can play more aggressive?
Yes, ADCs do amazing with items and need the gold to get those items, but it's all relative to your opponents. If your opponents are hugely behind because you and your support have killed them and are zoning them out of gold/xp, then you're fine.
I find the idea that an ADC would rather risk having the opponent getting away and rob their lane of an easy 350g than make 150g less (and have free farm for a bit) to be the selfish thing.
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I don't care that the support takes a kill, and got gold early. But it doesn't mean that he should prioritise items over decent vision.
He states he wants to get more mr/armor and spend less in decent vision, and wants his adc to pickup wards.
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from what i have found in solo q your average adc is gonna be hypercritical of everything hell iv ganked bot as mid done at least 85% of the damage and got accused of kill stealing just because it was on bot
I once got accused of stealing a kill by a poppy as fiddle jungle when I ulted into top lane and used fear.
My policy is if someone burns an ulti unless it's for the last 100 health it's their kill and if it's a fiddle who has to ultimate into lane it's his kill no matter what