Where do you build Essence Reaver in Jayce's build?
I've heard about Essence Reaver being useful on Jayce, I just need to know when to build it in his build order.
Posted Jun 27, 2014, 4:34 AM UTC
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IN MY OPINION Its bad on pretty much everyone. Its build path isnt too expensive but its not great. It is awful and inefficient slotwise late game. Youre only strong for a brief window, and it requires you to aa and push lane to benefit.
Just get a tear. I dont think essence reaver can be worked in effectively apparently it can
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i agree, im a jayce main and i think the item sucks.
i was confused when it first got announced and everyone thought it would be good -.-
i think it should only be built in the case that you really need sustain in a certain matchup or if you want to go with a max cdr build.
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It's so tiresome explaining to everyone why it's such a bad item. I just hate how much of a sheep most of the community is. I facepalmed so hard in those VTG Kyle threads with all the "JAYCE IS BAK!" "OMG THIS ITEM SO GUD" "JAYCE BUTTER NUT GEE NURF!" Meanwhile I'm providing reasonable arguments of why this item so trash but nope,#1 Korean Jayce player knows best o3o (which he does since he changed his mind)
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Ugh. I supported an ez that went essence reaver into bloodthirster. It completely rendered our kill lead useless. ER is such a trap item for people that don't research stuff.
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ER is fine on Ezreal.
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Yes how dare people try their own builds instead of getting all their ideas from other people
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Thats super surprising. Ill peep ot when i get home
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http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=VTG+Kyle
That's "Best Jayce Korea's" account. He's stopped building Essence Reaver.
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People need to stop bandwagoning overall and learn how to build themselves. When VTG Kyle made the guide I was super convinced Essence Reaver was bad,even after testing it over dozens of time I knew for sure it was bad. I just hate how he makes a guide and knows a lot of people are going to copy his build because he's Korean and #1 but than he doesn't bother to say that literally a day after his guide that he stopped building it. I'll say,I was quite dumbfounded when I was stalking his match history since patch 4.10.
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I feel that though it is the perfect item on Jayce, it only delays his power spike more. Getting a tear is a very big crutch on his early game dominance already, so I wouldn't want to delay my power even later by getting a ER earlier.
Since Tear does cover your mana problems for a while, I feel that maybe it's better after you get a muramana? Or at least after some real offensive items.
I would predict the build order would be: Dorans blade -> Tear -> Brut -> CDR boots -> IE/BT -> LW -> ER
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At that point where you get a full build, wouldn't a GA or even Triforce be better...? Espeicially when one TF can win the game?
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I didn't buy tears when I build this. Probably better if ur mid laner buys some mana items like ROA or is a Yasuo so u can take the blue buff instead of him. People thinks this item is horrible, from what i see it has decent stats and can be taken instead of BT and an earlier powerspike.
I buy Brutalizer, Essence Reaver, Boots of lucidity, IE, LW. However, I feel like stacking tears early is still better as essence reaver requires you to attack something while tears is more reliable with mana and mana regen.
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Ie on jayce is bad, er is also bad
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How is Infinity Edge bad on Jayce? The amount of AD it gives is really good,and the passive works with Hyper Charge making his damage insane.
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IE Jayce is decent as an all in assassin, build a Ghostblade LW IE ER and defensive or triforce You get a really strong lane and amazing pick in mid game if you know how to rotate But you give up teamfights and siege for it
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Depends all on how you build him. If you build him mid-late-game then after you rushed tear then immediatly for ER.
If you build early I guess somewhere after your first offensive item.
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You don't.
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Pretty glad to see this tbh. Tear is just way better at nearly all stages of the game.
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I wouldn't consider building it on Jayce under any circumstances as of right now. It's a fairly bad item because its build path is weak and in all honesty, the mana heal isn't very good on a non-attack speed caster carry that normally doesn't build crit. Yes you have your 2.5 attack speed auto buff, but you're probably going to be regenerating it's own cost. Also, Jayce already has a mana regen mechanic built into his kit that's very easy to use.
But since you asked for a build path, it's nice in a build without tear because it makes up partially for the mana you're missing. The build for this path is usually something like Boots->BT/Hydra->Youmuus, Triforce, and LW. I'm not too sure where to put Essence Reaver into it though. I guess you can either get it as a first item to trade effectively in lane without going oom or 5th/6th item because you need damage to back up the healing.
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Reaver is best used to replace BT in many Jayce builds. Also hydra is really inefficient item on Jayce since most of the time you are in range form. Cleaver is also better option to ghostblade since he doesn't need the attackspeed you get from Youmuus.
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True about the replacement for BT. IE synergyses great with Jayce with ER in his build. So you won't have to buy a special Lifesteal item to get going but use the crits as your advantage.
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Lol best jayce korea hasnt built it for nearly a weak. He changed his mind basically the day after recommending it in his tldr guide
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First of all I want to see why you think you're so knowledgeable when you're using a pros/VTG Kyle as an excuse to build the item,you're nothing more than a brainless bandwagoner. I like to see an actual good argument of why you think it's good. In addition look at Probuilds again,Essence Reaver only has a 5% popularity rate on Jayce. Most pros are just testing out the item still,in addition VTG Kyle doesn't even build it anymore. Literally a day after his guide (Patch 4.10) the dude stopped building it because he realized how trash it was,just look at his match history. VTG Kyle only builds it like maybe 1/10 of his games.
EDIT: Wow a Silver 5 player that thinks he's right. Please don't even bother trying to give people advice if you know nothing,and just going to be a sheep.
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Rank means nothing
Yeah, those pros don't know shit. I don't even think Essence Reaver looks good on paper. I can't imagine how people find it so good in game. It gives ok stats but it's far from best in slot for the amount of gold it costs.
And for the love of god stop using the word "toxic" to describe every little thing you don't like. That's seriously the most worthless buzzword that's been abused to the point of being meaningless.
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After the upcoming buff, it might have a niche as a first item on a non-Tear Jayce build... But why wouldn't you just build Tear, which gives you mana sustain on your first back, rather than making you wait for a completed 2650g item?
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manamune > essence reaver > lw/ie > defensive
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Items pretty lackluster atm. End Game it's not worth filling up a slow which could have IE or Cleaver instead. Jayce doesn't have mana problems if you rush Tear since your pool will be huge anyways. THe lifesteal is pretty meh, and BotRK or BT would be better since both give either stronger poke, more damage, or more utility. Cooldown Reduction you can get from brutazlier, or Lucidity Boots. And because of all these lackluster stats you get it's also hard to fit it into your build since the current item build works so well now. There is no room to fit it in since the final item build works so well.
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If only they change the mana gain to mana burn to opp
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as a jayce main, the build that works for me and helped me get out of silver is as follows: dorans+1 > tear > brutalizer > tier1 boots > manamune > tier 2 boots > triforce > lw > cleaver or yomuus (partial to yomuus for destroying turrets with W even more) then either an IE or GA.
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I build it afew times just to see and didnt like it. I prefer just to stick to tear brut bt to get you going then build then get murumana. I never really have issues with mana after i got tear.
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I wouldn't even bother. The item was not well thought out. The mana steal concept sounds great on paper and should be nice on a lot of characters, but it doesn't build into anything that is useful late game. The damage is lackluster except in the laning phase, and it's too expensive considering its only real value is in mana sustain. If you build it for the purpose of mana sustain, you pretty much need to build it first, and then you're losing out on better damage items. Building it later almost completely defeats the purpose, as you would have just been better off stacking a tear by that point.
Manamune is 550 gold cheaper and scales much better, requiring only 1500 mana to match the +DMG on the Essence Reaver. Anything after that is a bonus, especially the Muramana toggle. The mana regen and +mana on Manamune will sustain you just fine. If you need lifesteal, grab an extra Doran's with the money you saved by not buying reaver, or save up the extra few hundred and just get a vamp scepter that you can eventually turn into something that doesn't suck. Manamune + Vamp Scepter is 2900. Essence Reaver is 2650. I see no reason that you would ever want to choose the Essence Reaver. 10% CDR is decent, but just get that out of a Brutalizer if you need it that isn't going to end up completely wasting an item slot late game.
I just don't see this item ever becoming commonplace or seeing any serious play unless they up the damage on it to the point that it becomes a worthwhile first major item. Right now it needs to be built like it's a first major item in order to be useful, because laning phase is when you really want that mana sustain, but doing so just hurts too much when compared with the other options.
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I dont get it at all. Very cost inefficient and weak.