NBN Co confirms you won't get FTTP unless it's already well advanced with principles for Multi-Technology rollout
nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-cent...Posted Nov 13, 2014, 4:20 AM UTC
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This is still contingent on completing the Telstra deal.
I cannot think of any way that the government could make their own negotiating position weaker. It's almost as if they just want to shower Telstra with money.
Oh.
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Yep, these are just principles so anything can happen. But it shows they've given up even pretending that FTTP is still an option. I guess they figure enough time has passed.
What shits me the most is that the plan has always been to sell the NBN in the future for a return on the investment. (Yes, brave assumption there's a buyer in the future and the value goes up). If that were the case, surely these Coalition folk would want to build the best asset and generate the biggest return on investment? Or are they thinking they can do it on the cheap, whack some paint on it and flog it off quickly?
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Search me, I keep seeing claims that the Coalition are fans of prudent financial management but I've never seen any evidence to support that.
I can see them selling it cheap, generating lots of professional fees for right thinking advisors and no regard for any future benefits to the country.
But that may just be me.
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Sounds like a win for Team Australia.
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You're making the mistake of thinking the Libs can think any further ahead than the present.
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Pleasing their mates and destroying anything from Labor comes first.
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Regardless of the quality of the network, the government can always make NBNCo an attractive investment by providing for a guaranteed return on investment via access charges.
Just like they did with the electricity distribution networks, whose gold-plating upgrades we've all been paying for through the nose.
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This is still contingent on completing the Telstra deal.
Telstra, the Putin of the Australian telco sector. Good luck with getting a better deal any time soon.
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I'm now doing the "I have shares in Telstra" dance.
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Fuck you, Malcolm Turnbull, fuck you, Joe Hockey, and fuck you sideways with a fence pole, Tony Abbott. Way to lock the majority of the country in the fucking internet stone age.
Just FUCK.
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Sums it up.
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Perhaps you should also direct some fucks at Labor, who promised best in the world internet for next to nothing and then (surprise, surprise) couldn't deliver it.
It's not like Turnbull inherited a rollout that was going A-OK and decided to wreck it. It was over budget by a factor of 4 and behind schedule.
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Equally so, NBN will work with small communities that choose to co-fund FTTP if they are in an alternative technology area.
I would like to see an entire city or state co-fund with NBN Co to roll out FTTP to 66%+ of their premises within the next decade.
Sure it's not as "cheap" as it was before, but it gets you off of copper (or coax) and ready for the next few decades of fastest internet possible.
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That state would find themselves punished by the feds for daring to challenge them.
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I would like to see an entire city or state co-fund with NBN Co to roll out FTTP to 66%+ of their premises within the next decade.
That would be beautiful. It would come down on the LNP like a house of cards too because if one state does it others may too in fear of becoming uncompetitive.
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Strategically released documentation right before the G20, and when most papers are headlining the Russian ships.
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"What? MTM is finished and people still want better internet? Well gee, I guess we better throw more money at Telstra then!"
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"The NBN provides a broadband service in line with the rest of the world, those few consumers who want enhanced speeds are free to choose a premium service like Foxtel Fibre"
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But you know we could always get a new pm & unwind this mess
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Question is, would a PM be able to unfuck this entire thing in one term?
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Fucking wonderful. I think I'll just go home and insert razor wire into my anus. Should be less painful than dealing with FTTN.
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It sucks but to be realistic about it, the uploads will be a nice boost as they should be 4 to 30 times faster than ADSL2. Half the problem for people dipping their toes into running a business or working from home is the terrible state of upload speeds here
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It might improve speed a bit but it's unlikely to fix many of the reliability issues as most of them occur in the pillars and concrete access pits at the very end of the copper runs, shortening the run to the exchange isn't going to fix the dodgy joins and waterlogged pits/pillars unless you replace the copper in which case you might as well be replacing it with FTTP since it's cheaper, the only reason the MTM makes even a slither of economic sense is because you use the same dodgy copper we are using today without replacing it; you know, the one laid down 150 years ago intended for use with telephones only that magically managed to carry data.
It's still likely to drop out every time it rains or there is a thunderstorm; it will also be interesting to see how these nodes hold up during power outages too since they chug electricity like nothing else and I'm sure the new Liberal NBNco are going to cheap out on the batteries; not to mention when it gets flogged to Telstra for $3.50 they won't maintain the batteries properly.
I wonder if people will break into the nodes and steal the batteries to sell them on Gumtree too? Haha.
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Don't the nodes still require air con to run? I gotta feeling that the box will get destroyed constantly to raid for its parts.
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Active cooling, yeah. And bigass batteries to keep the phones on during a blackout.
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"Advanced Stages"? What about areas that already have FDH's set up all throughout town?
Guess we're still getting coalper.
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That's advanced enough, unless they plan to rip those fibres out of the ground.
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Doubt it, all the wireless towers in the region connect to my town - we were seeing FTTP prior to the election and now we just have graffiti'd TFAN's sitting around and no greenfield properties to warrant their existence :/
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If only fibre was made from coal.
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I wish some of our decent journalists would start asking hard questions about this whole clusterfuck. It's plain as day that a nation-wide FTTH network is a massive threat to Foxtel's domination of the Pay TV market. I for one was looking forward to increased competition in this area over the next ten years, as IPTV services could be offered very cheaply on a dedicated port on your NBN Network Termination Unit. Now Rupert's monopoly is protected, and we're all going to be the laughing stock of the world within a decade.
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To be honest so long as I can pay for a fibre connection if I want I'm happy.
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Yeah but the cost..
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It's likely to hold value for me. But I would need to see the cost before hand. Anything under 10k would be okay.
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What about greenfields sites? Will they be FTTP or will they actually install new copper from a node?
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I work in the consulting engineering field and as far as I know, the policy has not changed an iota - estates/MDUs with more than 100 premises will receive FTTP (generally under a new dedicated FSAM connected to the local point of interconnect - after all, FTTN nodes will still rely on this basic architecture). Less than 100 dwellings = shit out of luck, hello Telstra! They'll install new copper from the fucking exchange until that area is designated to get FTTN.
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Anyone done the math on how much copper they can replace before it costs more than just installing Fibre the first time?
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Yes, but it is 'commercial in confidence' therefore top secret.
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Given our government's craptastic infosec (from both parties, for the record), it'll probably get leaked anyway.
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So places with less than 100 premises won't get fibre?
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Some developers will set up agreements with private fibre infrastructure companies, such as OPENetworks or Opticomm. If the client doesn't wish for this to happen then no, they won't get fibre.
We deal with 'Telstra Smart Communities' to hook up new fields with copper. This is my least favourite part of the job.
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Depends on if there is any sort of NBN infrastructure where the development is happening.
There are some new apartment towers below 100 units that have gotten it, but the condition was that the NBN rollout had to have been planned for the area within the next 3 years.
The 100 premises rule is more to reduce the workload on NBNCo, but I would expect any new developement bigger than a set of townhouses will get fibre once the rollout is in full swing.
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Its up to the developer at that point.
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How do they determine if an address is serviceable for HFC? Neither Optus or Telstra will install cable into apartments/townhouses, with a "unit number" in the address (for some unexplainable reason...). What's going to happen to those places?
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Wait for Nbnco to acquire both networks, figure out how to integrate them, upgrade then, and then add in MDUs like you describe.
Short of it is don't expect anything soon.
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In the press release it states " Opportunities to prioritise underserved areas" so what about areas with dial up speed Internet?
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TL;DR - if you were going to get Fibre, you'll still get Fibre. Everyone else gets a crapshoot between Cable and Fibre to the Node.
Progress!
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Uh; before the election my suburb was marked as construction beginning November 2013 and I had seen NBnco/Telstra/Visionstream vans going around with clipboards taking notes, and probably something like 60% of Perth's suburbs had construction planned within the next year; a large portion of the country was in the same boat.
Since the election the map was decimated and only 3 waterfront suburbs have any information about the rollout; one of them (Meadow Springs/Mandurah) is full of old people and the other 2 (Adross/Applecross/South Perth) are full of rich people - probably those who voted Liberal.
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I feel you. My suburb disappeared from the rollout map soon after the election, too. Though my "construction" was a lot further off. :(
(FTR, the "if you were going to get Fibre" bit was more for the revised, post-Election rollout map. If your suburb disappeared from the FttP list, it's probably not coming back.)
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Thank you for checking your address: Groundworks are underway to prepare this area for the NBN.
This better not change! I want my FTTP!
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Yes, we will. That's the thing about FTTP. It will come. Not this term, maybe not next term. But we will eventually have to roll it out.
Think it's going to be cheaper to roll out in 10 years than it is today?
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Wonder what the internet speeds are like in Europe.
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Korea that's where its at.
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Copper networks, the coal of the internet, therefore good for humanity in the eyes of the current government.
Honestly I'd rather they just stop spending the money at all and go back to letting the market provide it instead of this "determined to be different" approach.
Here. You deserve it. http://i.imgur.com/8AVDRv6.png
Damn son, you have a fine quote.
Like everything else the current government has done its pure and simple corruption. Murdoch/Telstra will be paid VERY well for the copper; cash for the mates style.
Serioualy third world country level of corruption...
Some history.
The market won't provide fibre. Telstra floated the idea 15 years ago under Ziggy but did nothing. The govt fttp tenders failed to find a provider (failed G9 consortium, failed 2007/2009 tenders) so they started NBNco.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network#G9_Consortium_2007
The bottom line is that Aus has too low a population density outside cities to make it viable.
Yep, which is why the government should roll-out such a network in the name of universal access. Been a while since I was at uni, but from memory the original copper network was rolled out by the government in the form of the Postmaster General (probably over decades). And the reason there are laws requiring Telstra to provide access in almost all circumstances is so that you get access to basic phone facilities no matter where you live. (Maybe that is my romanticised memory of the situation).
Which is why it is so disappointing to see that the government is going to spend a shitload of money AND leave it to the market. They need to do it properly or get out of the market, you can't be half-pregnant.
My philosophy is the internet shouldn't be noticeable for people. As you don't wait ten minutes for your TV to start. You shouldn't have to wait for downloads to get content. The internet should be provided for a reasonable amount (Per month) and be guaranteed to handle all needs.
Business make the products that run on the internet, as such the internet is basically a road it transmits private companies products to their consumers. The government needs to maintain a high capacity, reliable and fast internet for the same reason it maintains highways. It allows products to get from the company to the consumer and this action makes tax money for the government.
What the government are doing is basically saying you can send your packages, but only if they all fit inside a Volkswagen Beetle.
Actually a few ISPs were looking or starting to roll out fiber networks but stopped because they were to be bought by NBNco and integrated, they also said they would not build competing networks after.
(Of course, this is for metro areas and yes, the beauty of the initial NBN is that the rural areas got the same stuff as the metro)
How? Telstra is already promised billions. There's no going back. Or any going forward.