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BrawnyJava

My pressure canned food turned out gross. What gives?

I got a new pressure canner recently. I made a batch of chicken soup in quarts, and a batch of beef chili in quarts. And then one batch that was a mix of cans of chicken soup and cans of chili (because I prepped too much).

I cooked them 90 mins at 13 PSI (extension office checked it for 5,000 feet which is where i live).

The results were terrible. The chicken soup smelled terrible (even the next AM, not rotting in an unsealed can). Horrible overcooked carrot taste and smell, dull orange broth and the chicken was gross. It was totally inedible. The chili tasted okay, but the beef had a texture like sand. Not inedible, but not good at all.

And I'm no slouch cook. I made my own chicken stock from bones, defatted it, seasoned it. And the chili was from whole fresh chuck roasts I ground myself that day. It all tasted great before I canned it.

I think between the heating of the big canner, boiling for 10 mins to evac the air, then 90 mins at pressure, and an overnight cool-down, this stuff was just way, way overcooked.

Is there a fix here? Or is home pressure canned chicken soup just overcooked? How does Campbells do it?

Posted Dec 4, 2014, 3:56 AM UTC

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loveshercoffee•

A couple of things I think might help you. With your chili, you should be following a tested and approved recipe only. What does tested and approved mean? It means that the recipe has not only been tasted to be certain that the resulting food is of good quality, but also tested in a laboratory to ensure that the heat has penetrated properly so that it has been preserved properly to prevent spoilage and illness including botulism.

Campbells has spent millions of dollars testing their recipes to come up with something that is not only tasty, but safe and shelf stable. They have tons of bajillion-dollar equipment that can do things that we can't do in our kitchens and there are something like 13 things listed in the ingredients that we can't pronounce that enable them to can stuff that normally can't be canned.

While convenience foods are nice, they're not what canning is about. Canning is preserving food and it's much more science than art like general cooking is.

Soups are a bit of a special category. You don't have to follow a strictly approved recipe if you follow the approved methods to a tee. Doing this, the processing time is 60 minutes for pints and 75 minutes for quarts. The difference in the processing time between 75 and 90 minutes really does matter and I have a feeling this is why your soup tastes the way it does.

I know it's impossible for new canners to really know this now, especially when everything you want to know is just a Google away, but canning really, really, REALLY must be done only following the established guidelines. The links on the sidebar are all good sources.

Just as a little side note - when someone refers to a recipe as "tested" for canning, always ask what they mean. "Tested at home," "I made it and it tasted good," "I've been doing it for years," "My grandma did it this way," and "No one has died" are never appropriate answers.

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brilliantjoe•

It always amazes me how people on food and cooking related subs take such a lackadaisical approach to food safety, especially when other peoples health and safety are involved.

Recently, someone in r/slowcooking asked if their food was safe to eat after they left it sitting out on the counter for 8+ hours with the cooker turned off. I started a holy shit storm by suggesting that it wasn't safe to eat and should be thrown out. The thread was dominated by anecdotal evidence like you mentioned at the end of your comment and it drove me crazy.

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IonOtter•

Hey, off-subject, but I was following your post history to see if I could find the drama, and noticed the bit about culinary torches?

I think this is the answer to your problem.

The Kickstarter is long over, but the page gives an excellent overview of what it is, what it does, and why.

It's now on Amazon.

If you thought r/slowcooking was fun, wait until you get a load of r/sousvide!

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brilliantjoe•

I've browed r/sousvide a few times, as it's something I would like to get into. Do they play fast and loose with food safety there frequently? I know that sous vide is fairly easy to do safely.

That torch attachment thing is awesome looking.

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IonOtter•

No, they're actually quite strict about food safety in that sub. When you're dealing with sub-kill temperatures, you really have no choice in the matter.

The two things that seem to give us trouble, are large ribs and chicken. Chicken is easy, as it gives off sulfur and smells horrible when cooked sousvide. You really have to sear it and let the meat rest, especially free range birds.

Ribs are dicey things, because they're so close to the internal organs, and often get splashed with viscera and the contents during slaughter. The general consensus is to wash them carefully before sealing, and consider giving them a sear first, to help kill any surface bacteria, and use higher temperatures. I'm doing two bags of boneless ribs at 135, instead of 130, for this very reason.

Thanks to being so careful, I haven't had any bag bloat.

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nazihatinchimp•

Found my dad's Christmas gift. Thanks.

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loveshercoffee•

It makes me a bit crazy as well.

It's like, "Dude, you were suspicious of it in the first place or you wouldn't have asked the internet. Throw the stuff out!"

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brilliantjoe•

I'd rather have people ask then not though, I just can't stand people giving out bad anecdotal advice that could possibly kill or sicken someone.

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loveshercoffee•

Oh, absolutely!

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contraryexample•

ever tried fermented shrimp?

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brilliantjoe•

I haven't why do you ask?

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Tuilerecrocked, pickled and well-preserved•

Just because people eat hakarl and lutefisk doesn't make them good ideas.

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Tuilerecrocked, pickled and well-preserved•

As ever, how a large commercial operation does things and home results are not comparable due to the nature of the equipment and environment. Campbell's also can can noodle soup.

Were you following approved recipes?

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BrawnyJavaOP•

Not sure what you mean by approved. I googled "pressure canned chicken soup" and followed the basics of that. I used raw carrots, onions, celery, boiled chicken pulled off the bones, and homemade basic chicken stock. Cold chopped vegetables/chicken into hot clean jars, with hot stock right into the simmering canner. Basically exactly how I would make homemade chicken soup, except canned for 90 mins instead of simmered and served.

The beef chili was just tomatoes and browned ground beef, salt and a little pepper. And I browned the ground beef in a hot skillet, like Malliard reaction browned.

Every recipe I've seen calls for 90 mins at 13 psi for 5000 feet and cool to room temp overnight without pulling the stopper off, so I followed that.

I'm sure I got the sterilization right, but the result was just overcooked nastiness in all three batches.

Have you made a basic chicken soup in pressure canner that didn't turn out overcooked?

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CloudwalkingOwl•

My wife had the same experience. Her answer was to just can broth and use that later to make soup. Otherwise, she "cold packs" veggies. I think pressure canning is best for certain things, but you simply can't get around the fact that you are basically cooking the bejesus out of stuff you can that way.

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3rdIQ•

There are some canned things I don't care for, but it's a texture thing... not a flavor or smell issue. I primarily can whole muscle meats (chicken breasts, strips of pork shoulder, corned beef, cubed chuck), as well as salmon and trout. I can broth as well. These things give me options to make soup, stew, fillings for things like enchiladas or burritos, chicken salad, beef salad, or just meat to add to other quick meals. I usually eat the salmon in pasta or as an appetizer on crackers.

I'm curious about your statement regarding "cooling overnight without pulling the stopper off". You mean you processed and then did a natural release (allowing the pressure to fall on it's own), but did not remove the jars to the counter? This would have allowed the jars to stay hot longer and may have contributed to the poor texture you experienced. As far as flavor goes I don't think that would have changed.

You might play with a batch of chicken or pork since it's inexpensive and see how that comes out for you. And also try a couple jars using the hot pack method and the raw pack method, you might prefer one over the other.

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biocarolyn•

I've found that pressure canned chicken develops a... unique odor. Reminiscent of cat food, for me. I pressure can stock all the time, but haven't tried actual soup. I've also done chicken thighs, and find them useful for when you need shredded chicken in a meal, but don't want to take the time to cook it before you make the rest of the recipe... enchiladas, stuff like that. I was VERY reticent to use it the first time I opened the jar, but went forward with the recipe. The taste is fine, honestly. The smell dissipates and the chicken is really soft, but tastes perfectly fine. I've also done chunks of sausage. Those didn't smell gross, and tasted just fine as well.

You're cooking the food in a tiny enclosed space and at a higher temperature and for longer than you'd normally do. So textural changes are inevitable. Honestly, I'm a ridiculously picky eater which is why I cook- I want it the way I want it, and I don't want to inflict that on anyone else, so I just do it myself. I don't like mushy textures... so my pressure canner is used about 85% for stock. I consider it TOTALLY worth the cost, just for that. Most other recipes I try in small quantities first. I know from experience I probably will hate it if it has vegetables in it and I try to eat them as-is. My next plan is to try canning some vegetable soups with the intent to open the jar, pour into a pot to reheat, and stick an immersion blender in it (and some dairy if it makes sense for the recipe.) You just have to figure out what works for your own tastes.

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IonOtter•

This is really unusual.

Even though chicken has a sulfur smell to it, I have never experienced an odor from a broth. And definitely not from chicken soup. By the time it's soup, all of the unpleasant sulfur smells have outgassed, and are long gone.

I read your recipe below, and I think I have it? Onions. I've run into this before. Onions are delicious in slowly simmered soups and stews, but they're kinda like an explosive. You can cook them to a certain point, but then they give up being onions and turn into a very strong-tasting, dark brown sugar. If you have a lot of onions, the effect becomes very pronounced.

This works exceptionally well in French Onion Soup, and when coupled with beef broth, is a shining star of "explosives" being used properly. But in something like chicken soup, where onion is not the star attraction, you get a "roadside IED."

Swap out the fresh onions for onion powder, and you'll have much better results.

As for the beef in your chili, you might not have ground it enough. Ground meat from the grocery store has been ground once, dumped in a large mixer to blend the meat and fat, then ground a second time, sometimes even a third if the butcher doesn't think it's mixed enough. Also, they do the grinding in the meat cooler, where it's around 50 degrees.

Try cutting the meat into 1-inch cubes, then partially freeze them. They should be at the just-crunchy-but-still-squishy stage when you dump them in. This keeps the meat cold and prevents the fat from melting during the grinding, but it also ensures the blades get a good, sharp cut. If you want a second grind, make sure you re-chill the meat again, but you won't have to re-freeze.

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visibleimpact•

Am I the only one who thinks that 90 minutes is crazy and "approved recipes" make boring meals that I might as well just buy the can of whatever and skip 10 steps?

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texasyankee•

Ah yes, meals are much less boring when someone dies.

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Stewthulhu•

Nono, you don't want actual death. You just want the risk of death. Like a great NASCAR race full of crashes where everyone walks away from their cars.

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Methodicalist•

Every time I do tomatoes or salsa (45 min-ish + lots of prep) I think the same thing. Yet I do it every year and am joyfully going through my salsas now.

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IMbleu•

I was thinking that when I got my ball complete book. Hardly any of the stuff in it I'd want to eat...

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Masil123•

http://nchfp.uga.edu/how/can_05/strips_cubes_chunks.html

Ive always canned my meats raw. Everything else produces over cooked mush.

In you're case I would also add you're raw veggies and cold broth. Process that for the 90 minutes.

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