My pressure canned food turned out gross. What gives?
I got a new pressure canner recently. I made a batch of chicken soup in quarts, and a batch of beef chili in quarts. And then one batch that was a mix of cans of chicken soup and cans of chili (because I prepped too much).
I cooked them 90 mins at 13 PSI (extension office checked it for 5,000 feet which is where i live).
The results were terrible. The chicken soup smelled terrible (even the next AM, not rotting in an unsealed can). Horrible overcooked carrot taste and smell, dull orange broth and the chicken was gross. It was totally inedible. The chili tasted okay, but the beef had a texture like sand. Not inedible, but not good at all.
And I'm no slouch cook. I made my own chicken stock from bones, defatted it, seasoned it. And the chili was from whole fresh chuck roasts I ground myself that day. It all tasted great before I canned it.
I think between the heating of the big canner, boiling for 10 mins to evac the air, then 90 mins at pressure, and an overnight cool-down, this stuff was just way, way overcooked.
Is there a fix here? Or is home pressure canned chicken soup just overcooked? How does Campbells do it?
Posted Dec 4, 2014, 3:56 AM UTC
A couple of things I think might help you. With your chili, you should be following a tested and approved recipe only. What does tested and approved mean? It means that the recipe has not only been tasted to be certain that the resulting food is of good quality, but also tested in a laboratory to ensure that the heat has penetrated properly so that it has been preserved properly to prevent spoilage and illness including botulism.
Campbells has spent millions of dollars testing their recipes to come up with something that is not only tasty, but safe and shelf stable. They have tons of bajillion-dollar equipment that can do things that we can't do in our kitchens and there are something like 13 things listed in the ingredients that we can't pronounce that enable them to can stuff that normally can't be canned.
While convenience foods are nice, they're not what canning is about. Canning is preserving food and it's much more science than art like general cooking is.
Soups are a bit of a special category. You don't have to follow a strictly approved recipe if you follow the approved methods to a tee. Doing this, the processing time is 60 minutes for pints and 75 minutes for quarts. The difference in the processing time between 75 and 90 minutes really does matter and I have a feeling this is why your soup tastes the way it does.
I know it's impossible for new canners to really know this now, especially when everything you want to know is just a Google away, but canning really, really, REALLY must be done only following the established guidelines. The links on the sidebar are all good sources.
Just as a little side note - when someone refers to a recipe as "tested" for canning, always ask what they mean. "Tested at home," "I made it and it tasted good," "I've been doing it for years," "My grandma did it this way," and "No one has died" are never appropriate answers.
It always amazes me how people on food and cooking related subs take such a lackadaisical approach to food safety, especially when other peoples health and safety are involved.
Recently, someone in r/slowcooking asked if their food was safe to eat after they left it sitting out on the counter for 8+ hours with the cooker turned off. I started a holy shit storm by suggesting that it wasn't safe to eat and should be thrown out. The thread was dominated by anecdotal evidence like you mentioned at the end of your comment and it drove me crazy.
Hey, off-subject, but I was following your post history to see if I could find the drama, and noticed the bit about culinary torches?
I think this is the answer to your problem.
The Kickstarter is long over, but the page gives an excellent overview of what it is, what it does, and why.
It's now on Amazon.
If you thought r/slowcooking was fun, wait until you get a load of r/sousvide!
I've browed r/sousvide a few times, as it's something I would like to get into. Do they play fast and loose with food safety there frequently? I know that sous vide is fairly easy to do safely.
That torch attachment thing is awesome looking.
No, they're actually quite strict about food safety in that sub. When you're dealing with sub-kill temperatures, you really have no choice in the matter.
The two things that seem to give us trouble, are large ribs and chicken. Chicken is easy, as it gives off sulfur and smells horrible when cooked sousvide. You really have to sear it and let the meat rest, especially free range birds.
Ribs are dicey things, because they're so close to the internal organs, and often get splashed with viscera and the contents during slaughter. The general consensus is to wash them carefully before sealing, and consider giving them a sear first, to help kill any surface bacteria, and use higher temperatures. I'm doing two bags of boneless ribs at 135, instead of 130, for this very reason.
Thanks to being so careful, I haven't had any bag bloat.
Found my dad's Christmas gift. Thanks.
It makes me a bit crazy as well.
It's like, "Dude, you were suspicious of it in the first place or you wouldn't have asked the internet. Throw the stuff out!"
I'd rather have people ask then not though, I just can't stand people giving out bad anecdotal advice that could possibly kill or sicken someone.
Oh, absolutely!
ever tried fermented shrimp?
I haven't why do you ask?
Just because people eat hakarl and lutefisk doesn't make them good ideas.
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