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TargetHippo

Roy as a Puff counterpick.

Has anyone ever tried this before? Obviously Roy is a horrible character with a Sock'em Bopper for a sword; but he can literally insta-kill Puff on certain stages. It may only be one thing, but that seems like an enormous advantage to have. Is everything else about the matchup too horrible, or do you think it could work?

Also, is it possible to DI/SDI into the second hit of the up-B to negate the initial knockback and prevent the insta-kill?

Edit: Apparently Blazer isn't a true one-hit KO if the Puff has good enough DI.

Posted Feb 11, 2015, 7:37 AM UTC · edited

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mdz1•

no

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1338h4x•

Just because an OHKO exists doesn't mean he's a good counterpick, that doesn't begin to compensate for all his other problems.. And bear in mind that Puff already has what's almost an OHKO of her own, and it's far less situational.

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JediLink123•

Lol dude, no. Roy is not a counterpick to Jigglypuff.

Oh, so you have a one hit kill move? Well Jiggs also has a one hit kill move too, except she can actually set hers up. Then, Jiggs has the better mobility, the better recovery, the better combos and edgeguarding, etc.

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TargetHippoOP•

Rest doesn't kill at 0%. Also, it's less safe. It would be almost completely unusable in this matchup.

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ASSHOLETEARER6969•

Completely unusable is an overstatement. Puff would have to be careful to not get too overzealous with it at times, but that's probably true of any character that has a decent rest punish

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TargetHippoOP•

Unless you got killed off the top it would be a guaranteed stock trade. Although I suppose that could be beneficial for Puff.

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mdz1•

Puff can combo into rest. Roy cannot combo into reverse up-b. If Roy ever goes off stage he is dead. Every single one of Roy's aerials can be crouch cancel rested. Roy's only halfway decent move is down tilt which cant hit puff in the air, he has no way of dealing with bair spam. This matchup is honestly probably like 95-5 in Puff's favor. A ohko means nothing if you can never hit it. Ganon's utlit/neutral special probably one hit kills half the cast but it doesn't matter because you could never hit it.

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TargetHippoOP•

You're probably right about the crouch cancels and edge-guards; but I don't really think that Roy's up-B would be as hard to land as you're making it out to be. It comes out relatively fast, has invincibility, and has long range. Also, even if you did whiff the attack and get rested, you could easily just respawn and take the Puff's stock.

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Sickolas•

Is this a joke? She doesn't even need rest to make this matchup unwinnable. Not to mention that she wouldn't be resting you at 0 and you are light enough to die at 12. And even with good DI roy has such shit recovery rest could still kill at 0.

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FeareSe7en•

Roy is heavy AF. I doubt he'll be able to make it back from that far out.

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Sickolas•

He's not heavy. He's a fast-faller.

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JediLink123•

I hope you're not actually arguing this seriously. Roy is not a counter to Jigglypuff. You're insane.

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TargetHippoOP•

Nope, just curious.

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butep•

Everyone keeps pointing out that rest is also a OHKO that can be set up or that the punish game doesn't matter as much or something, but everyone is failing to mention that Roy's "OHKO" literally is not even a OHKO lol. It doesn't even work at all on any stage except Yoshi's and maybe Pokemon, and it doesn't even work on those if Puff DIs it. This matchup fucking blows, lol.

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TargetHippoOP•

Yeah, I was only referring to the smaller stages.

Is it true that she can't be killed by it with good DI though?

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butep•

If Puff DIs correctly, she will survive at any percent (set kb) on every legal stage. It's not a real OHKO.

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TargetHippoOP•

Hmm, I guess that settles it then. Roy kind of sucks ass doesn't he?

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butep•

Roy sucks pretty bad if your opponent decides to play Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Peach, Puff, or ICs. Or Yoshi, Doc, Kirby, etc. Yeah, Roy kind of fucking sucks. Falcon is actually a pretty even-ish matchup though, imo, if I was a Roy/Marth main, I'd definitely play Roy in that MU. (Sethlon thinks Roy beats Falcon, but I think he's just too hopeful, lol.)

edit: also, your edit says "if Puff has good DI", but it's more if Puff DIs at all, lol. If the puff player even has a left thumb it should never work.

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freezybreez•

He's okay in low-tier tourneys at least.

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corigames•

If you are playing against a Puff main, they counterpick to YS for some reason against whatever characters you play aside from Roy, they are known to use rest or are incredibly predictable, then yes, I'd say Roy would be a good counter pick for the fact that he can get a kill with reverse UpBs. In any other situation, I wouldn't do it man.

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BSeeD•

Thank you u\butep for being the only one posting this lol :

You don't have any guaranteed OHKO on Puff with Roy. I think the only stage where you're guaranteed to OHKO is Yoshi (I'm not even sure for PS honestly).

I can think of things to poke Puff out, but when it comes to kill her, I can't imagine one viable KO move on Puff with Roy. If someone disagrees, please let me know.

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thetones•

It's a viable counterpick if you are familiar with Roy and really out speed your opponent.

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butep•

A skilled Roy can beat any Puff in the world. This is why I main Roy.

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BSeeD•

How is that ? What are Roy's viable weapons against Puff ?

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AbsolutelyCone•

punish game does not determine matchups, so no

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AbsolutelyCone•

Punish game can't singlehandedly* determine matchups

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