My reading of Alien (1979). I believe the Alien to be the most singularly 'human' character in the film, and would be interested to hear others' thoughts.

The central antagonist of Alien is one of cinema’s most enigmatic characters. We are given no hints to its origins beyond brief glimpses of a derelict ship’s gargantuan pilot, chest pulverised from the inside, and a vast chamber of perfectly ordered eggs below. Its motivations are – at least in the film’s theatrical release – a total mystery.

The creature’s appearance proves no more revealing. An apparently blank carapace complements its rootlessness with menacing unreadability. Publicity stills, however, reveal the suggestion of a human skull shining through the alien’s black veil; its victim’s twisted reflections, a taunting portent of their deaths.

But the alien isn’t just a physical double. It embodies the deepest, most destructive desires of the Nostromo’s crew. Its sole motivations are food and, debatably, sex – we’ll get back to that. To paraphrase Ridley Scott’s other sci-fi opus, Blade Runner, the alien is ‘more human than human.’ It is a primitivistic Epicurean; an interstellar King Kong.

About the sex: a shot of the alien’s phallic tail sneaking between the legs of Lambert, a female crew member, is immediately followed by disturbing panting sounds over Ripley’s intercom. When Ripley later stumbles upon Lambert’s body, one of those legs hangs, blood-streaked and visibly naked, in the frame’s foreground. Ridley Scott himself has suggested that this scene depicts a sexual assault, asking ‘Was that some dreadful ending? Was that some terrible invasion of her body – a rape?’

Even those who do not subscribe to the theory that Lambert was raped would struggle to ignore the film’s discomfortingly sexual visual motifs, and its pervading theme of bodily invasion. Three vaginal tunnels, bio-organic doorways leading into the alien derelict; Kane’s own symbolic rape by the face hugger, and subsequent ‘birth’ as it erupts from his chest; the adult alien’s overtly phallic design, an eyeless head and snaking tongue; and Ripley’s near-nakedness at the film’s climax are some examples.

Scriptwriter Dan O’Bannon attests to using ‘every image [he could] think of to make the men in the audience cross their legs’. And H. R. Giger’s initial vagina-inspired design for the film’s eggs proved so ludicrously salacious that it was rejected, for fear of provoking Catholic countries into fire-and-brimstone indignation.

Ian Holm’s character, Ash, describes the alien as ‘Kane’s son’, subtly attributing all this murderousness, promiscuity and monstrosity to its human father. Given that Ash is later revealed to be an android who seems to view humankind with contempt and disgust, it would be easy to mistake this for sneering criticism. The truth could not be more different.

Ash envies humanity. Governed solely by laws of nature, human beings have no programming which we absolutely cannot break, no words which we absolutely cannot say. We are capable of murder, suicide, and even genocide. We are not subject to the domineering puppetry of Ash and his fellow synthetics’ creators.

And yet, a huge majority of humans choose to live in self-imposed prisons. For many, existence is defined by self-denial, restraint, duplicity and dishonesty. They are secretly so in love with the ideas of murder, suicide and genocide that they have to be threatened with punishment to stop them from trying them out. This is the source of Ash’s vitriol. The idea that humanity is wasted on human beings. That society and law are an abuse of human freedom.

Conversely, Ash refers to the alien as the ‘perfect organism…unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality’. The alien is the most truthful creature Ash has ever encountered; a physical manifestation of the id. To the cinema audiences of 1979, the alien was an unfathomable monster. But to Ash, it is a creature of ‘purity’ – a role model he eventually comes to emulate.

In an attempted copycat killing, Ash forces a rolled-up magazine down Ripley’s throat. This is the third notable confluence of mouths and phallic symbols in the film, echoing both the facehugger’s egg-transmitting proboscis and the adult alien’s tongue. But, notably, it is the only non-organic one. As a synthetic being, Ash cannot procreate. The magazine with which he attempts to kill Ripley is an act of defiance; a denial of impotence. He adopts the phallus as a symbol of humanity, and murder as its most unadulterated and truthful act. Not to be a human being, but to have humanity. To be pure.

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Posted Feb 24, 2015, 5:43 PM UTC

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Miguelito-Loveless•

Certainly humans can desire sex and violence, BUT my take on the alien is opposite of yours.

I feel that the alien in Alien & Aliens, the Terminator, and zombies (in the classic Romero zombie films) are lacking a type of psyche that humans can touch base with. In this regard, our fear of all 3 baddies is similar in origin.

If you watch the 1930s vampire films or the the Christopher Lee versions of the 60s & 70s you realized that the baddie is non-human, but has issues and desires similar to humans. It is possible to have a conversation with the Count and both humans and the Count have points that they can connect with conversationally. Or take Blofeld from James Bond. A good guy can have a conversation with Blofeld. They can find points where their interests and ideas intersect. A good guy can say something that will alter Blofeld's actions or plans. Both Blofeld and the good guys have a human psyche.

Now when it comes to Aliens, Terminators, and classic zombies, the human psyche element is missing. You can't negotiate with these types of monsters. There is no point of common interest. These things are more like forces of nature than sentient villains. In the history of cinema, MOST human and even most alien villains have a human (or human like) psyche and we can relate to their desire to harm, or dominate, or acquire wealth, or fame or whatnot. Not so with Aliens, Terminators, & zombies.

That force of nature issue is what makes Terminators, Aliens, and zombies so scary. You can't bribe them, join them, or talk them out of their goals. This is quite unlike most monsters and villains that, in theory, can be bribed, joined, or redirected (or at least influenced). Terminators, Aliens, and zombies have more in common with a hurricane than with serial killers, Klingons, Vampires, Frankenstein's monster. In a given film, it may be the case that a standard villains/monsters is stopped only when it is killed or arrested but, in theory, they could lose their desire for harm, or change goals in some way. Even in theory, Aliens, Terminators, and zombies will never lose their desire to harm and they will not change their goals in any way. Their goal of destroying the good guys is not a choice, but part of who they are. Instead of mind, they only have this essence of destruction.

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maxdurden•

I really enjoy both your and u/splandroid's posts. But let me offer another thought, ironically a "common interest," to use u/Miguelito-Loveless' term. I believe that, in a way, both of your interpretations of the Alien (and by proxy Terminator and Romero's Undead) are not so much opposites, but complements to each other. What I mean is that what makes these baddies so much scarier than earlier monster incarnations is that they lack a human psyche (or empathy, more on this later), AND that they pursue goals and have desires that we ALL as humans posses and fear. We fear these desires so much that modern Christianity has deemed them unforgivable (7 deadly sins). Some examples of these desires are the aggressive sexuality (lust) of the Xenomorph, the murderous tactics (wrath) of the Terminator, and the insatiable hunger (gluttony) of Romero's Undead.

These beings are indeed more human than human, BUT they cannot be reasoned with, because they lack HUMANITY (empathy). This is what separates them from other monsters (Count Dracula on one end of the spectrum, and Pinbacker in Sunshine on the other). We share desires with them; and, much like Ash, envy their uninhibited way of living. However, we, as humans know these acts are morally wrong, and in addition to being killed by these monsters, are forced to face our primal desires personified in the process. A existential crisis to complement our mortality.

These directors have found, in their own ways, a masterful marriage of human and inhuman, and this irony is what, I believe makes us so uncomfortable and makes these baddies work so well.

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Vermilion•

We fear these desires so much that modern Christianity has deemed them unforgivable

For the record, that 7-sins system of education isn't modern. They are pretty much in the Bible, and were more explicitly educated by 4th century monk Evagrius Ponticus.

The most modern Christian interpretation comes from the fact that you can now get a live video feed, air travel, any where in the world. The only Christianity that holds any sense of truth is a personal, inward, psyche one - like Gospel of Thomas. The viewpoint of Carl Jung.

Do people still cling to old interpretations of the religion that were not changed by this technological and travel revolution? Sure they do, but they are ignoring facts that science has been accumulating and continues to accumulate. That 1945 Egypt book discovery being a pesky one to ignore for a lot of supposedly educated Christians. Pre-Roman political teaching.

they cannot be reasoned with, because they lack HUMANITY (empathy).

man, that word empathy gets tossed around so much in the past 10 years as some supreme thing. Do you know that there are genetic conditions that are known to cause lower empathy, some forms of Autism? You know that dogs have shown empathy when rescuing a friend?

You talk about Mythology (Christianity) - the world sure as hell isn't empathy. Which is rather short-lived, chemical, kind of thing doctors can induce with medicines.

A dog doesn't need the higher brain functions to have empathy. Dogs don't write poetry and make films. Dogs don't build complex houses and abstract technology. their form of consciousness is far below what humans have.

Dogs don't have Mythology ;) The Cave of Altamira art isn't created by any animal but one animal. And the world empathy doesn't exist in Mythology. The human invention is Compassion, and it comes from education - fiction and non-fiction and it is created by learning. It isn't just a chemical animal thing.

Navajo pollen path, Hindu Upanishads, Buddhism, Shinto, etc, etc- all are educated by parents and community to child (even using special education buildings and art) - like learning spoken language of Spanish, German, Japanese. Empathy is not educated.

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maxdurden•

Ok.

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splandroidOP•

Your post is putting me in mind of [Pinbacker] (/spoiler) and the Sun in Danny Boyle's Sunshine. The whole way through the film, there's this wonderful villain - the silent, brainless source of all life on earth. [But then, that's somewhat devalued by the presence of a human being who shouts at people and has an icky face.] (/spoiler)

I certainly see where you're coming from with the whole 'force of nature' thing. I'm looking at my own words with doubtful eyes. I suppose the fact that two such diametrically opposed opinions can spring from the same film is testament to its quality.

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JeanLucPicKev•

EDIT: just saw Max's post below and he says everything much better than I do

Hell I'll come in right down the middle of your perspectives and say that's why the alien and the terminator seem so scary. We see undoubtedly human characteristics in them, one primarily behavioral and the other physical, yet there's no way to take advantage of that like we can with other humans. The only options when faced with such foes are brute force fight or flight responses which are short-circuited by the illusion of similarity.

By the way, I'd argue that the alien's decision not to kill the cat and its choice to hide aboard the shuttle display some of that human likeness as well.

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Vermilion•

[alien and the terminator] The only options when faced with such foes are brute force fight or flight responses which are short-circuited by the illusion of similarity.

well, you can hack a terminator with technology and creativity. It is a tool created by humans. human vs. human war often involves technology exploits (Trojan Horse).

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JeanLucPicKev•

True, and you could presumably outsmart the alien. I think what I was trying to convey was a dead to rights scenario. If the alien or terminator get within a certain proximity of the target, it's game over. There's no talking your way out of it, whereas you could maybe say something that would stop a fellow human.

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Pentay•

I think this 'antithesis' still supports u/splandroid's claim via metaphor, the aspect of human psyche that overcomes reason driving the life of the species. The social critique is this theory expanded. The Alien represents patriarchy. The journey of Ripley across all "3 films" is Ripley's growing independence from male societal norms, a journey as a road map of sorts. The fourth film can be considered a continuance if you subscribe to its existence. (slam) This holds true to the themes of Prometheus. I suppose it's fair to say that this sort of analysis exists solely because there is a female protagonist. How would the film be perceived if the Ripley or Shaw characters were male?

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demontits•

I'm sorry but you can't show an alternative point of view that has any clout when your response is written using arguments from completely different films. OP wrote about Alien as a film and you wrote how you feel about the characters as a franchise.

Alien clearly stands alone (or possibly with Prometheus) in its storytelling, world building and representations. Nothing even happens in Aliens to explain or further the story and it should not be referenced in response to this post.

I'm not sure why you think they are similar to terminator or zombies, Which are scary for other reasons... Maybe you could compare the alien to critters or something.

I would argue the human psyche element is not missing. An alien can be tricked, it can be satisfied, it protects its self preservation above all else. It revels in the hunt. It may not be curious but it enjoys sport. It is clever and self aware. It does not deny its instinct. Imagine what destruction it is capable of. Imagine what destruction we are capable of. Maybe we deserve this.

The suspense in the film leaves you rooting for the alien. Please let this scene be over already! We know the humans die, and it's not fun to be toyed with. Some seem to desire self destruction. You almost want Ridley to give up, just to get it over with. After all, we are just as bad....

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Thelonious_Cube•

I don't really see anything here that indicates that the alien is "the most human" character.

In fact, it's telling that Ash, being an android with a bitter view of humanity, thinks the alien is 'perfect' - certainly he doesn't see it as exceptionally human

I'm not sure what you're shooting for here - it seems natural that we're supposed to see in the creature a host of our worst traits, our baser nature, but that's not what one usually refers to when talking about our essential humanity.

He adopts the phallus as a symbol of humanity, and murder as its most unadulterated and truthful act. Not to be a human being, but to have humanity. To be pure.

Maybe that's a good interpretation of Ash's view, but that doesn't mean that murder is the quintessence of humanity, that Scott is saying that or that the audience should believe that.

Are you saying that you believe murder to be the quintessential human act so that's why the alien is the most human character? That seems an odd view to take.

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splandroidOP•

Hm - that's true. Perhaps I shouldn't have been so flippant and off-the-cuff with the title. I meant that Ash is almost hypnotised by the xenomorph's transgression, and postulate that the ability to commit transgressive acts are what he believes separates him from human beings.

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Thelonious_Cube•

Right, but transgression is only transgression within a framework of rules - so is the alien really being transgressive?

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splandroidOP•

No - in nature there is no such thing as transgression. But Ash, a synthetic being, is completely governed by rules. Transgression is a word with some baggage, I apologise.

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Thelonious_Cube•

no apologies necessary.

It's a matter of viewpoint - Ash might see transgression or he might project himself into the alien's shoes and envision transgressive acts for himself (and maybe his finally committing one is his moment of freedom/humanity, not because it's murder but because he actually transcends the rules....? maybe not), but the filmgoer wouldn't necessarily be expected to view the alien as transgressive.

Picking this stuff apart takes work - you asked some good questions

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guattarist•

I think transgressive is certainly an appropriate descriptor for the alien and in line with your thinking. The alien is squarely in the realm of Kristeva's concept of the 'abject'. I'm assuming you've read Barbara Creed's study of Kristeva via Alien (which I think is fair to call a seminal (lol) examination of the film).

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atomichdrWhy? What else? What if?•

Debatably about sex? I'm gonna call the end of the spectrum overt rape and say the film reaches beyond it.

Xenomorphs aren't primitive, closer to the penultimate of evolution in a harsh universe.

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splandroidOP•

Hey, that's a great point - I love the way you've put it, too. I suppose I mean primitivist, rather than primitive...like Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, which celebrates the 'primitive' and antiquated ceremony of ritual sacrifice.

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atomichdrWhy? What else? What if?•

Yes, I can see this, a degree of intrinsic simplicity, and necessary horror.

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Vermilion•

Xenomorphs aren't primitive

Aren't they parasitic? Don't they depend on other species to construct ships?

Building a NASA rocket takes a hell of a lot of drawings, factories, and writing books. All of these things no other living creature can do. Is a parasite as smart as a dolphin not "primitive"?

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atomichdrWhy? What else? What if?•

They aren't quite parasites, they don't need a host body constantly, only to breed. Considering they can breed from literally any species able to house an egg, they are arguable they most adaptive species ever discovered. The process can also begin from literally any life form, no egg required since the "black goo" can mutate all life.

No, they don't depend on other species to build ships, only to breed, the ship the eggs are discovered in was built by the space jockeys.

I say non-primitive in terms of evolution and adaptability. I mention a harsh universe specifically because it highlights Ash's point of view about them being "perfect", because to some the only thing that matters in the end is power and survival. Ash admires their immense efficiency. Building a rocket is an incredibly drawn out process, isn't it more evolved to skip those steps?

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eoinster•

Great analysis of possibly my favourite film of all time. I do look into the themes of Alien very deeply, and I think there's so much presented to us, the audience, that we can interpret it in a million different ways, meanwhile Aliens' only message was 'Alien is bad. Shoot Alien.'

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JeanLucPicKev•

I actually think 'Aliens' takes a logical next step in exploring the social structures in which the creatures are supposed to be in. They're not as psychotic or unpredictable as the lone juvenile in the first movie. I sort of take that as evidence that they're social animals just like us, which is something the first movie doesn't touch on. And I don't think it's fair to say that the only message is 'Alien is bad' when you've got the lead character questioning 'which species is worse.' That almost edges Ripley's viewpoint closer to Ash's, which is such an elegant character move.

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psych0ranger•

I don't know which species is worse

"...you don't see them fucking each other over for a god damn percentage."

Had to finish that quote.

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splandroidOP•

Absolutely - there's so much more to chew on in the first installment. It's one of my favourites too! I'm glad I didn't let down a fellow fan

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eoinster•

Seeing as Blomkamp's films usually have more to them than is initially apparent, hopefully his take on the franchise provides us with similar themes and nuances to the story, and God I hope he takes more inspiration from Alien than Aliens, but it appears to be 50/50 from his Instagram posts.

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splandroidOP•

I'm not entirely convinced he's the man for the job - he's made some pretty intelligent films, but they also seem to be quite bloody-minded and over-the-top. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with these traits but, as you say, they're much more in keeping with the Alien franchise, as opposed to the film itself.

Ripley and Hicks stinks of fan service and, if this film does get made, I think will perfectly demonstrate why fans sometimes shouldn't get what they want.

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eoinster•

Agreed. I was incredibly excited at first, thinking District 9 could be toned down to be a great horror movie if it was needed, but then I remembered it was a lot more like Aliens with the over the top action and such, hopefully he can tone it down quite a bit.

Even on the note of the undertones to District 9 and Elysium, while it was cool to incorperate them into seemingly mindless action movies, they were almost slapping you in the face with how obvious they were, it's not the same subtle genius gone into the background of Alien.

He did say at one stage "Was a mental stroll into the world Ridley Scott created.", which provides some hope. I do adore the universe and lore behind the xenos, but what attracts me to Alien is the film itself, not the backstory, and I hope that can be repeated.

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crolodot•

That is a very lazy and obtuse analysis of 'Aliens'.

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eoinster•

Yet completely true

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psych0ranger•

Woah, hey come on, man. If "Alien is bad, shoot Alien" was the only message of Aliens, that movie wouldn't have ingrained itself in our culture like it has and really discounts James Cameron's writing. The messages/themes of Alien get to us because they were delivered through horror - an intense emotion that makes horrific experience almost impossible to forget; but not all good movies are horror movies.

Aliens doesn't really use as much horror as Alien did, there's much more action than horror. There are themes in Aliens, though, and they're different than the ones in Alien. Corporate/bureaucratic irresponsibility, feminism, and motherhood for instance.

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gudusernaem•

I can see where you're coming from, but I don't see the alien in as the most "human" character. This is because the alien, like all monsters, defies categorization, and also because humanness is a pretty complex concept that could refer to a variety of behaviours/traits.

The way I interpreted your reading you argue that the alien is the most "human" in a primitive sense of the word, because it is not controlled by societal rules. If so you should definitely check out Robin Wood's "An Introduction to the American Horror Film". Very basically, Wood argues that the monster is a threat because it acts out behaviours that are repressed by society.

According to Wood there are two types of repression: basic and surplus. Basic repression consists of the behaviours that separate people from animals and help keep order. Surplus repression consists of all repression that allows people to fit in with the monogamous, bourgeois, capitalist society. Surplus repression keeps people from engaging in certain sexual behaviours that society disapproves of: creative sexuality, bisexuality, child sexuality and female sexuality. Already, based on the examples in your reading of the film, I can see that the alien embodies several of these repressed sexual behaviours.

The alien is distinctly "non-human" when compared to the ideal human of bourgeois society. It does, however, behave like a human who defies all forms of repression, which is what Ash admires about it. Theres definitely a lot of ways to interpret the topic. Hope this approach helps.

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splandroidOP•

Thanks, that's really interesting. I recently moved house, and only just received a new library card I can use in the area - so I might christen it with 'An Introduction to the American Horror Film'!

I haven't seen those two distinct kinds of repression talked about before. That's a really, really intriguing concept. Thanks so much for the recommendation.

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gudusernaem•

Glad you enjoyed it! I believe the Wood essay is part of an anthology from 1984 called "Essays on the Horror Film", and Noel Carroll is another horror film theorist you should definitely check out. Good luck!

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Snowblinded•

It may be a minor side point but it always annoys me when people confuse Epicureanism with Hedonism. While Epicurus did advocate the pursuit of pleasure as the highest end, his definition of pleasure was very different from the base instincts you described. His philosophy is actually so close to Buddhism, including its views on renunciations, that many scholars believe it is impossible that he was unfamiliar with the Buddha's teachings. He viewed the ideal life as one spent in intellectual discourse with friends, and was perfectly happy to live off only bread. He once said:

"Luxurious food and drinks, in no way protect you from harm. Wealth beyond what is natural, is no more use than an overflowing container. Real value is not generated by theaters, and baths, perfumes or ointments, but by philosophy."

His views on sex were similar: http://wiki.epicurus.info/Sex

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splandroidOP•

Yikes, sorry about that one! Thanks for the correction - I'll remember it for future ramblings. Epicurus sounds like a total badass tho

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textik•

Regarding Ash, I think it's important that trying to kill Ripley is well within the scope of his orders, which are to take the Alien back to earth, crew expendable. Maybe Ash is wielding the phallus in an act of defiance, a denial of impotence, but he's also following his orders to a T, which kinda nullifies the whole defiant act. That's not to say I think you're wrong, by the way. The notion that Ash is trying his damnedest to defy his limitations without actually being able to do it sorta makes his character ironically human.

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splandroidOP•

That's a really good point - and I love the idea of Ash as a kind of doomed version of Pinocchio, born into Ridley's greasy, grimy universe where there is no blue fairy.

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yptn•

Thanks I found that really interesting, also thinking about what you said I find Ash describing the Alien as 'Kane's son' intriguing considering the biblical story of 'Cain and Able', which relates in some key ways to your analysis.

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Snowblinded•

Its worth pointing out that you have there is an small assumption within your analysis that nevertheless has repercussions in the conclusions you draw. It can be seen most clearly in the title of your post:

I believe the Alien to be the most singularly 'human' character in the film

Hold that idea of the alien being the most human character in your mind and look back at how you describe the "more human than human" qualities of the alien, for instance in the following quote:

But the alien isn’t just a physical double. It embodies the deepest, most destructive desires of the Nostromo’s crew.

Do you see the leap you made? You point out all the primal qualities of the alien, but then make a jump by associating these qualities as being more human than other, more advanced, refined, or perhaps civilized human traits and behaviors. Now consider what you said about Ash. Now it's been years since I've seen the film, and my memory favors the alien over Ash, but in a way, mostly in relation to the traits he is denied as an android, he too is something of an extreme embodiment of certain human tendencies. However, by holding the alien's more primal human traits as being more "singularly human" you are injecting your own views of humanity into your analysis. Thus, by conflating the primative traits (mostly predatory and reproductive in nature) that the alien embodies with all human traits, you potentially misread the intentions of the director, or forget to flesh out an important piece of your broader assessment, i.e. why you think Scott views these primal human traits as being more human than other traits.

Again, it's been a while since I've seen the film, so I cannot effectively take a side, but I can provide another way that one can potentially interpret what Scott was going for as it relates to what you are discussing. I would have to rewatch the film to know exactly how applicable it is but at the very least it shows that there are potentially other conclusions from your analysis if you detach it from the idea that the alien's primal qualities are especially and essentially human.

Friedrich Nietzsche, in his "Birth of Tragedy" said that all art can be boiled down to two competing tendencies, Apollonian and Dionysian. Apollo was the Greek God of, among other things, logic and rationality, while Dionysis was a God whose domains included irrationality, frenzy, and drunkenness. Nietzsche claimed that all art fell within or between the two God's dominions. Sculpture in the classical Greek tradition (think Venus de Milo), with its goal of representing the human form in perfect detail, with strong axis' neatly dividing the figure into complimentary, symetrical zones, was nearly pure Apollian art. Music, with its strong emotional core and lack of real world representation in its focus, was Dionysian. It speaks to the primal heart of man and ignores the rational and the ordered. Nietzche felt that all art, and to a certain extent all human endeaver, was a contest between these two urges. If one holds the idea that the truly human is a dichotomy between these two urges, rather than that the alien's Dionysian primalism is the truly human, the assessment you provided about the alien's nature can be seen in a different light.

Apollonian/Dionysian links:

Wikipedia

Some relevant passages from The Birth of Tragedy

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splandroidOP•

Thanks, that's really interesting. I need to read some Nietzsche - I've never quite got round to it but will add 'Birth of Tragedy' to my list. Your description of Appollonian/Dionysian conflict kept making me think of The Master - Freddy and Lancaster Dodd both with those two forces battling inside them

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Pentay•

I think the choice of weapons for Ripley in Alien is indicative of her interaction with the male psyche attached to the alien. A flame thrower isn't phallic but neither is a harpoon. However, the harpoon is made phallic. Where a flame thrower could be associated with yelling, a harpoon could be associated with the grip of a vagina, or at the very least, an anti-sperm agent, something biologically similar to the acidic state of a vagina prior to female ejaculation. It's only when the Alien attempts to climb into an engine or exhaust port (asshole) that the Alien is flushed away from the vessel, leaving her impenetrable and not pregnant.

I don't know that this aspect of the alien makes him more human. It makes it appear primal and therefore of human qualities. I think your general argument is sound. The headline is somewhat detached from the main write up which includes your thesis. The most 'human' argument isn't present in the body.

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splandroidOP•

It was a very hastily-written headline. Wish I'd gone with something more accurate but in the moment I just fnarfed out the first thing that came into my head.

Engines as assholes, huh? I hadn't thought of that. When it comes to psychosexual imagery, Alien is the gift that just keeps on giving.

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Pentay•

Gun is a penis. Bullets are sperm. Knives are penises. Penetration.... I just start there.

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guattarist•

I get an impression, and please clarify if I'm wrong, that the way you are describing the phallic signifier is misleading. For instance, why shouldn't a flame thrower or harpoon be considered phallic in this context? And if so, how can a harpoon be 'made phallic' A phallus is not equivalent to a penis, though a penis can certainly be phallic (and is probably the most orthodox example).

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Pentay•

I'm talking about the metaphorical definition of a flame thrower. Saying it's phallic doesn't necessary designate a metaphor to it.

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guattarist•

In your example, what is "the metaphorical definition of a flame thrower" and what sets it apart from a harpoon (which isn't phallic but can become phallic?). Also how is saying something is 'phallic' anything but metaphorical? I suppose I'm just confused on how you are using these terms, nor that you understand what 'phallic' refers to.

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Pentay•

Stay confused.

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