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angelforge

Mulligans

Howdy,

For today's discussion I figured I'd ask about Mulligans.

We have pretty liberal mulligan rules in my group. We use Partial Paris, with the first mulligan free. After that, you drop cards - so 7 mulligans into 7, then 6, then 5, etc. We are currently trying the Free Scry after mulliganing down a card (so you have to have less then 7 cards to do it). I have to say, I'm a fan of the Scry. I definitely get to be a little greedier with my combo mulliganing, and in my non-combo decks it seems that my hands are a lot more 'stable' by getting to Scry something awful away.

Edit - Just to be clear, you get one scry. So once you're done mulliganing entirely, then you scry. No Pitch 3, scry, pitch 2, scry again nonsense.

I haven't seen something off the scry and used that for a godhand, and nor has anyone else in my group. I'm sure it will happen eventually, not too worried about it - godhands are a thing even without that Scry and it's not like reshuffling takes that long.

One thing we used to do was if you opened a hand of 0, 1, 6, or 7 lands you could take a 'full hand' mulligan and have it not count against you for your subsequent partial paris. We didn't explicitly stop allowing this but I can't remember the last time someone actually did it.

How do your playgroups mulligan? Do you use the regular Paris mulligan, the more traditional EDH Partial Paris mulligan, or something else entirely? How about the Free Scry?

Posted Sep 1, 2015, 3:28 PM UTC · edited

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SkulothDoomsday Zur•

We use the standard 'multiplayer edh' mulligan rules.

Partial Paris + First Free. We've been testing the scry rules for the last couple matches and it hasn't changed a whole lot. Our mulligans were already incredibly greedy so it just lets us be greedy with a little bit of a safety net.

While partial paris is obscene already, offering free mulligans for low land counts enables combo too much imo. Honestly I would expect it to give most of the high power combo lists at least a full turn of free speed since they want specific cards in their openers as is.

Edit: Let's pretend that I noticed that the OP was someone from my playgroup before posting. Also the free land based mull thing was dying before I started regularly playing with them.

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angelforgeOPBRx•

It also allows non-combo decks a way of finding their hate without getting punished for a bad opener - Note that it was also 6 or 7 lands.

Nowadays when I open a hand with 1 land, I'm just going to keep that one land and any playable tutors/cantrips rather then do that 'free' mulligan. I trust my deck to draw me the things I need or the ways to get them. So being able to keep one or two cards from that first 7 is generally a much stronger line then hoping to see good cards in the next set of 7.

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KorvasomaliThe spirit of EDH•

Only partials, first one being free.

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angelforgeOPBRx•

Any plans to try the Scry?

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KorvasomaliThe spirit of EDH•

I am moving so my group will split. I suppose we would have used scry.

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razzlioxJarad Ooze Combo•

No chance you're moving to midwest USA, is there?

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KorvasomaliThe spirit of EDH•

Haha nope :/ I would love to come as an exchange student at some point tho...

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JimWolfieReddit is bad. Git gud•

Like I would assume that most competitive players use the standard rules. That being said I almost want to say that the muliganing should be stopped after one go. Like look at 7 take snything you dont like, draw that many, shuffle the rest in. Going further lets you see too many cards.

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Lerker-The Ghave of the Guru of the Spores•

I feel like the punishment is pretty decent for partialing down. I generally will do my first mull and then have only 1 or 2 cards that aren't good starting hand cards, but at that point dropping the 2 cards in my hand for 1 unknown card doesn't really seem worth it. On the other hand if my first 7 have 1 playable and the next 6 have only 1 or 2 then dropping 4 for 3 is OK but still a gamble that can put me very far behind. Overall I think it's OK.

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TheEarth-PigBorn•

Our store group does the partial Paris, with no free one. In our previous locale, we did the regular Paris, but the first one was free (draw back to 7). I planned on bringing up if we should adopt some variation of the Vancouver mulligan to our group this week; I am curious to see how they respond.

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KamahlFoK•

In my extensive experience, I've seen a lot more shenanigans when free mulligans are involved alongside partial paris. I've started pushing for no free mulligans, and it makes people think a lot harder about what they're pitching, if even anything at all.

Is it really worth ditching two cards to only pull one back? If you do, might as well pitch two more to dig a bit deeper, they're cards that won't help for a bit anywho.

Stuff like that.

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JimWolfieReddit is bad. Git gud•

With that it's almost always correct to shove the entire hand off and draw 6 unless you have something super precious that's not with shoving off like crypt or Sol ring.

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KamahlFoK•

Often depends on matchups and what answers / threats you have in your hand, along with appropriate ramp or lands, but yeah, generally you're motivated to ditch even more stuff so you don't risk whiffing your mulligan.

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petergrieco•

You can mulligan a hand with 0, 1, 2, or 7 lands face up and draw a new 7. You can repeat this as often as you wish as long as you meet the requirements. Shuffle the cards set aside back in once you have your starting hand. No partial mulligans, and no mulligans if you have 3, 4, 5, or 6 lands. Personally I like this as it prevents people from going for godhands generally.

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Lime_BlueBGx •

The scry is definitely nice and I don't think its broken or to enabling for combo decks. It certainly encourages greedy keeps, but I think it presents an interesting dynamic as I found myself contemplating pitching a useless card in exchange for scry 1.
The combinations of Partial Paris and Vancouver mulligan help show you what is actually a bad card because there is a minor incentive to pitch it, where as without the scry you just keep the dead cards in hand if you don't want to go to low.

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PenombreIname, Death Aspect•

We use partial Paris, no free, no scry.

It's fine.

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