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twoofseven

Troubleshooting closed guard overhook - head in jaw

Help me out, r/bjj!

I've been working on my closed guard overhook, and have run into a problem.

I get a good overhook, grab the opposite lapel, and then my partner shoves his big head into my jaw and puts his free hand on my non-overhooking bicep.

I can relieve pressure on the jaw by extending the hips, but can't seem to hip out to the overhook side. I tried getting a butterfly hook into the non-overhooking side, but I can't seem to do anything with it - his leg feels too heavy. Am I on the right track? Is the butterfly the way to go? Should I be getting on my side instead of lying back?

Thank you in advance.

Posted Nov 5, 2015, 12:38 PM UTC

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lohkeytxMachado•

uhm.. try maybe putting your "non-OH" foot on his hip to have something to push on to assist in getting your hip out to the side. Make sure you keep the OH-side leg high and clamped down. Chances are once you put your foot on his hip he'll let go of your bicept and try to pin your leg. When that happens control that wrist and strip it while hipping out. Or when he goes for the leg lapel choke the shit out of hip while re-closing your guard.

is his head-on-jaw pinning your head to the ground or making you look into the overhook?

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trickiyo•

You have his arm overhooked so he can't put his elbow back in tight to his side. That means you can put your foot on his hip on that same side. Use it to shrimp out on your hip. Little by little get up on your side and keep moving away. You should get to a position where his your foot is on his hip, your knee is on his shoulder, and his arm is fully extended. The straight armbar is there. The choke is there.

If you want to be a little more proactive, frame on this jaw before he shoves his big head into your jaw. Frames are really strong. Forearm against his jaw, elbow down against your side, get on your side. Your hands always have to be up and on the inside to protect your head.

If you want to be even more proactive, overhook, block his bicep (his other arm), slide your shin in to keep the bicep blocked, frame on his face, shrimp out on your hip. This is a very strong position.

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KintanonRoberto Traven -> Chris Ruiz•

Forearm against his jaw, elbow down against your side, get on your side.

This is what I came to recommend. Take your non overhooking arm, bring it across to the shoulder of his arm you have trapped and act like you are going to finish a collar choke by grabbing the back of his collar and pressing your forearm against the side of his neck, while your overhooking arm goes for the far lapel and pulls it in tight.

If they pressure into you with their head you actually CAN finish the choke here. If they react correctly and pull back then you get the opening to hip out.

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mooseman2012•

"I get a good overhook, grab the opposite lapel, and then my partner shoves his big head into my jaw and puts his free hand on my non-overhooking bicep."

Be more proactive at stopping one of these two steps. If you stop him from grabbing your bicep, use your free hand to push his face off line (chin is probably best best) and move out to the side.

Also, proactively insert your head under his chin and drive up which will force him to look away and thus not be able to drive down. Body follows the head.

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TheRealSteve72•

I'm going to use this as an excuse to post the vid I did on this position recently (caution: I'm very chatty).

https://www.facebook.com/Q5Combat/videos/p.872390276179010/872390276179010/?type=2&theater

The first technique here (after the entry...about 2 minutes in. I call it a "dirty choke) can help in this situation. You're not looking to actually choke him, but to deliver pressure on his throat. If you can't get your forearm to the front of his throat, use the same lever to push his head to the side away from the overhook, then you should be able to hip out.

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