Excess Roth IRA Contribution. -16% unrealized losses. Does this affect the excess withdrawal?

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Just found out that my AGI is too high to contribute to a Roth IRA.

It looks like a recharacterization to a Traditional IRA and backdooring into a Roth IRA again may be too much hassle for me since I have some other options on how to use the money.

I'm mainly wondering about how my unrealized losses affect the amount I need to withdraw, if at all.

If I have $1500 in losses, do I only need to withdraw $4000? Or do I need to withdraw $5500 regardless of gains or losses?

The form I'm filling out for the excess withdraw seems to touch on this topic slightly, but provides no guidance on how I would calculate something like this.

Thanks in advance.

Posted Feb 17, 2016, 3:47 AM UTC

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Net income attributable to a contribution can be a negative value.

So "contribution + net income attributable" -- which is the amount you need to transfer out -- might end up being a value less than your original contribution.

An explicit written out example of this is on wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_income_attributable

The example is in fact specifically about an overcontribution to a Roth IRA that has declined in value!

At the bottom of the wikipedia article is a link to a PDF from IRS with examples of calculating net income attributable. One of the examples on page 12 shows a negative NIA. It's a "recharacterization" scenario, but the NIA still applies.

Your NIA is going to depend on your balance. If you only made one contribution and there's nothing else in there, I think it's a straightforward computation. But if you had a Roth balance before you made the $5500 contribution, and all you're trying to do is remove the last contribution you made, then $4000 isn't the answer.

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