808 Sub Pitch Bend Tip.

So I recently discovered a little trick to help all you trap heads spice up your 808 subs a little bit. Was listening closely to some pro tracks, most notably RL Grime's Love Sosa remix and noticed some subtle pitch bend on the sub.

Set yourself up with your main sub bass as you normally would (I use Massive). Now raise the sub's oscillator pitch modulation box (the small box below the main pitch box) to 3.00. Hook the pitch modulation box to an envelope. Now adjust the envelope with the shortest attack setting (keep the attack level all the way up). Then lower the decay level to 0. Now play with the decay length so that you can hear a slight pitch bend going down to the root pitch of whatever note your sub is playing at. You want to keep the decay short enough so your sub has time to pitch down to the root note otherwise it'll sound out of key. But you also want enough decay so you can just hear that little bit of pitch movement. It might be easier to transpose your sub up an octave while you adjust the decay length so its easier to hear.

The difference is subtle but effective. It gives your 808 sub a bit more movement and dynamics. Instead of sounding too static, it has a bit of a downwards swell to it, if that makes sense.

Anyway, listen closely to how RL processed his sub in Sosa and you'll see what I mean. Once you notice it, you'll hear it everywhere. Subtle but cool.

Note: this is not to be confused with using an envelope to modulate an octave or two to give a clicky sub. That's something entirely different. If you need clarification, I'll be happy to help. I hope this all makes sense.

EDIT: Someone helpfully pointed out that I l originally said slide the oscillator's pitch up to 3.00. What I meant was the oscillator modulation box, the small one immediately under the main pitch box. So your oscillator's pitch would be -24.00 and the pitch modulation box with the envelope linked would be 3.00. Sorry for the confusions

Bass is life. Peace.

Posted Mar 2, 2016, 11:35 AM UTC · edited

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Akyusoundcloud.com/allero•

Isn't this just standard procedure for 808 subs? I would even say it is the primary differentiating factor that makes a sub 808 like. The actual 808 machine has a pitch bend on the kick. Also pro tip, the authentic "808 sound" is just from an 808 kick sample thrown into a sampler, and compressed really hard to get the sustain. You can also try using one of the tom samples.

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Starklet•

Yeah I've always known this to be the standard technique. There seems to be a ton of confusion around 808s though for some reason.

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bubblebobblexhttps://soundcloud.com/fieldbalm•

For some reason this sub refers to all subbass as '808s'. It is wrong and misleading, i've complained about it before.

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joecarlse•

Its a great idea if you're pitchbending your subs, to pitchbend any synths you are using too. Otherwise if you play the synth and sub at the same time, the sub may sound out of tune when it hits. Also pitchbending synths always sounds sweet ;)

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Froot-LoopsOPhttps://soundcloud.com/yogal_music•

Good advice!

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poop_man•

If you're synthesizing a sub bass via sine waves as opposed to sampling an 808 kick, is it really an "808 sub"

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Froot-LoopsOPhttps://soundcloud.com/yogal_music•

Technically no, but I used this terminology to avoid any kind of confusion.

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nadnerb811•

It is, or it is close enough that most people understand what you are talking about. Like when someone asks for a Kleenex or Band-Aid, you know what they want even if it isn't the exact brand.

I would say that people usually say 808 sub instead of sine sub when they are denoting that the sub hits simultaneously with the kick, or has the kick "built in" with a pitch envelope.

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poop_man•

Like when someone asks for a Kleenex or Band-Aid,

That's a pretty good point.

Still, i think it's pretty undeniable that this sub has become a beginner's sub. Explaining the distinction might be beneficial to beginners.

After all, a medical professional isnt going to ask for a band-aid and expect some first-year nurse to know exactly what they mean; they are going to ask for the exact type of bandage they need for the specific task at hand.

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nadnerb811•

I see your point; but, I think it is pretty obvious that any forum is going to be oriented towards beginners. People with experience have more hands-on information to extrapolate from and improve upon without having to look up how a compressor works. But, if you have no idea how a compressor works, it is much easier to look up and ask about. Even r/advancedproduction despite the name, is pretty obviously a (mostly) beginner's sub as well. I think it is just the nature of forums like these are more helpful for beginners.

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Char10•

I've been trying to figure this out for a month now, so I'm definitely trying this when I get home. I always wanted to pitchbend up my sub to create a wind up sort of effect.

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oopssorrydaddy•

Just route your pitch to an envelope!

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programthrowaway1https://soundcloud.com/erv-noel•

How would you do this tip if you're using an 808 from a kit ?

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nikkx323•

Soundshifter from waves

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Froot-LoopsOPhttps://soundcloud.com/yogal_music•

Dunno what DAW you're in but in FL, you can assign a Fruity Envelope Controller to the pitch of the sample.

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Bad_brahmin•

Can you explain more or link me to something that can?

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joecarlse•

If you're using an 808 sample, simply click on the sample in the channel rack, then on the top right you'll see something that says pitch. Set the number to either 12 or 24, then use the mod wheel to 'bend' the pitch. Automate it so that whenever the 808 hits, the pitch will bend up or down to 50%

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