Thorin's Thoughts - The First Six Eleague Teams
Posted Mar 12, 2016, 8:19 PM UTC
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We already know pretty much the entire team list... The Eleague published videos before with almost all the names. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Turner_Sports/ELEAGUE/Season_1
Most unlikely top teams to attend are Fnatic, Na'Vi and VP.
It's also about 90% likely that FaZe and G2 will attend based on social media interaction between the managements. So that leaves us with 1 unknown spot.
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Echo Fox is going to get brutally murdered... They struggle against nobodies from NA, imagine what Fnatic, Na'Vi, Envry, Astralis, LG will do to them.
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Can definitely imagine what Envy, Astralis and LG will do to them. But highly doubt Fnatic and Na'Vi will attend. I'm 90% sure the last 3 spots you see on that website will be filled by FaZe, G2 and 1x unknown team. FaZe and G2 have major social networking contact with the people behind the eleague, while the fnatic and na'vi management has 0.
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top team……VP????
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Chill.
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Give them six months, then they will lose it's stats of Tier 1 / Top Team. Teams like Envy are struggling because you just can't rely on aim or teamplay anymore... VP doesn't have AIM and are having a bad teamplay atm (they were gods on it)... I think they are helpless at this point.
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Scrubby Noskrilla is my new name
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Do you have a skrill-face, maggot?
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;(
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This has to be one of the best intros in thoorins videos
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when will Gambit become millionaires
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When Dosia stickers are out obviously.
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Not gonna lie I want one of those :P
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planning on renaming all my guns Sex God and plastering them with Dosia stickers
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We all are my friend
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That's amazing :D
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Got wallet funds ready to go :D
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god dammit alpha draft is getting some sick value out of this sponsorship, those adds/intros are fucking hilarious.
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My god, Thorin got such a sick advertising game.
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Does leagues ask for exclusiveness? If someone is on Eleague can he also be on ESL ESEA Pro?
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Turner has no exclusive right over teams. All they have to do is be in Atlanta and at the studio for matches. Valve was at the meetings with Turner and made it clear that exclusivity is not something they want. ESL however has tried multiple times to gain exclusive team rights to their leagues so who knows if they will succeed.
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Oh I see, and for ESL ESEA Pro League, for instance, there are no live presence requirement?
I'm trying to understand why a team wouldn't sign with them. For Fnatic, for instance, or NaVi, to constantly travel to Atlanta could be a problem.
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For 1.2 million prize pot, I'm sure they'd travel.
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Nah. Moving away from a good life to live in the middle of nowhere in America for two months, leaving all your friends and girlfriends etc? Hell no. 4 fnatic members also have girlfriends in Sweden, 3 of them longtime.
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You make it sound like that's anything other than exclusivity in practice. For all the eu teams it is, anyway. They wouldn't be able to play in any other significant leagues while they're in the middle of nowhere in Atlanta. And would exhaust themselves from constant flying if they were to attend European events simultaneously.
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Lol Atanta is not "the middle of nowhere", it's considered the most major hub of travel for anyone coming into/leaving the US from the east coast.
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Dont think so, however it is in Atlanta so they would have to be there to participate i believe
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The one time I'm actually happy to live near Atlanta
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I have a similar feeling
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no but they play every week for two months or so which would mean teams probably wouldnt get to participate in much while playing unless they shoot all the footage in 1 month or somthing like that
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Thorin is failing to understand some teams just don't wanna be in this league and is blaming it all on team owners.
Fnatic players have been very vocal about how opposed they are to both team houses and boot camps, and playing in this league they would be on top of each other for 2 months straight. All after having abandoned their social life, friends and girlfriends in Sweden.
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Thorin is failing to understand some teams just don't wanna be in this league and is blaming it all on team owners.
Maybe has something to do with him having more insider infos than us, ever thought about that?
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The ELEAGUE does not run like a league where you play every week and must live in Atlanta for all 9 weeks or w/e it is. You have set weeks you play, since the format is different from a straight up league and details on that will be released at some point no doubt. On other weeks, you can go back home or attend other tournaments, since your team won't be playing.
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Thanks for clarifying that. I originally thought the teams would need to be on LAN for the whole 10-weeks, having an ESL Pro League type of schedule.
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Yes, flying back and forth across the Atantic as regularly as that totally wouldn't mess you up.
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These players regularly travel all across the globe. Taking a 9.5 hour flight every couple of weeks would not be very strenuous on the players. Add in some nice first class flights which will very likely be non-stop since Atlanta is a major travel hub, and some comfortable hotel accommodations and these players will be fine.
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So just like I know far more about the people playing for fnatic than Thorin, then.
Based on how he speaks about the teams who are likely to be in this league, he doesn't seem to know more than the public at all. He's unaware of the fact the Eleague themselves published a video with 60% of the team names several months ago, for example.
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no, it definitely can't be that guy's favourite team's org being shady fuckers
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Yes, Carn is such a shady fucker. Right? Because he pretty much has final say in everything related to eSports operations in Fnatic for all their teams. Such a shady fuck.
/s
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Right. The players definitely just don't feel like playing in the highest prize pool league in cs go.
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They're really not in the mood for hundreds of thousands of dollars as a team
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there's no way they would actually purposely miss out on the opportunity to be on live TV.
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Tbh fnatic can do whatever the fuck they want at this point. Money shouldn't be a problem.
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Even more so now with the better prize pool for majors.
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what? why? Not everyone wants to be on TV? I'd wager that most people would probably prefer to not be.
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I'd also wager 90% of players that desire for the eSport scene to grow would gladly be a part of it, especially if their team housed the arguable best player in the world, and a team in their own era of success for a twelve million dollar prize pool. Of course not everyone wants to be on TV, but if you're already playing in stadiums and arenas, for broadcasted smaller platforms, then this is logically the next step.
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There doesn't need to be a next step for these players. They already commit a lot of time to csgo and traveling. They get paid a lot and are already fighting for huge pricepools if they are in the top 5, they are set for life if they keep doing this for a few more years.
Anything on top of that can be a burden. Teams are already withdrawing from tournaments because they lack the time to properly practice between matches because they travel - > play -> travel -> play ad infinitum. I don't think being pestered by a tv-crew on top all of that is something they necessarily wish for.
It is really hard to tell how much strain this league will put onto teams, no matter how big the benefits might be. fnatic is already at the perfect spot, why tinker with it?
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No, that's not logically the next step. What the fuck, why is everyone pretending like it is all of a sudden. Up until a few months ago everyone in esports were saying we didn't need TV. Hell, even Thorin still states that to this day. He basically just wanted esports to be on TV for the potential benefit of endemic sponsors.
Anyway, CS has already been on TV stations in Sweden with far better ratings than TBS for years. Every Dreamhack is on TV in Sweden on the second biggest, state owned TV station in the country. And few to no players have ever cared or even remarked on it in public.
And even though it 'forces' the general population with no interest in esports to watch a few seconds or minutes of esports while they're going through their channel list, none of them actually care long term. You don't actually win over new viewers this way. But you might better the perception of esports to the general public. Legitimize it in a way.
TV is a dying medium. Esports has been broadcasted on it before and it never succeeded. It always failed in the past, and it wasn't until esports started focusing solely on streaming that it really took off.
I guess it's like an American thing where you see TV as the holy grail that makes you say this, because there's very little arguments behind it. The only benefit I see is the potential for winning over the 'respect' of some people who for some reason respect anything that's on TV. All the while becoming more hated by many others who are pissed off by the fact esports is on their sports network channel.
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Why do you assume people want to be on live TV?
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Haha. This is such an American thing to say. I can tell you with 100% confidence flusha would rather NOT be on TV, for example. Some people don't care about attention like you do.
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Yet here you are on reddit shitposting and craving for attention lol.
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How the fuck am I craving for attention by stating my opinion on how fucking stupid I think his is? God, you're not very intelligent, are you? Pathetic.
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I'm sure YOU have more info on the subject than he does
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Indeed I do. Thorin seems to know nothing about the players in Fnatic and certainly doesn't speak Swedish like I do. Whatever European pro players say in English on their stream is always the politically correct version that won't get them in trouble. For the inside info you have to speak the language.
Olof has clearly said bootcamping or team houses can ruin a team on his stream. They are all extremely opposed to it.
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Yet he had a 2 hour interview with JW only a few months ago and is in contact with him regularly... but you clearly know more about the team because 'you speak the language'. Moron.
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Nice try, oblivious English speaker. You constantly hear players from Sweden on stream talking to their teammates on teamspeak, sharing information that isn't necessarily meant to be public, but they don't care since it's only understood by a few anyway.
You clearly have no clue about this because you only speak 1 language. Hahah, I'm actually laughing at the thought you think you're in a position to say I'm wrong when you couldn't even theoretically judge whether or not I am, since you don't speak the language.
Nice try at marginalizing 'speaking the language', by the way. It only means I have access to 20+ hours of Fnatic PoV's from professional tournaments to understand all the group dynamics in the team, as well as countless 'private' conversations between their members when one of them is streaming. Or when one of their online friends are streaming and they're just in the background. As well as all the countless hours of interviews they've done with Swedish TV, Swedish radio, Swedish websites, Swedish Fragbite. The list goes on.
You're a bloody, ignorant moron. And you wouldn't even understand why until you learned a language like Swedish, Polish or French and watched pro CS:GO streamers stream in both their native language for private conversations, and English for public ones.
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you're my favorite human
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Can you tell me if this napkin smells like chloroform?
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Dammit mittens. Go back to YouTube.
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No more Thorin videos to watch.:/
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FeelsBadMan.
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Are you the real CatNamedMittens?
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Yes I am.
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I think he is over reacting they show 6 of 18 teams and the 6 that they showed were middle of the packs teams so its not that bad.
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Half of the teams are already known. And more are heavily hinted at. They are running out of spots to get these top teams.
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>half
>7 out of 18
Yup, very much so.
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9 out of 18. the 6 announced teams, OpTic, Echofox and TSM.
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Are Echofox and TSM 100% guaranteed to be in, or just heavily hinted?
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12 minutes for something you can say in 30 seconds.
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If the league doesn't have navi, fnatic. envy, LG it can fuck off
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It'll have LG
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Nv was lnvlted as well. Navi probly wont be able to, since they'll need serious Russia-US visas, and fnatic probably don't need to because it'll require them moving and they win enough that it won't matter mcuh to them.
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navi arent russians -__- fliar checks out hto
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Seized and Flamie are Russian. However it is still possible for them to obtain Visas, especially with the backing of Turner.
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:XX But ukraine is part of Russia, for legalities/visas sake.
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Can't wait for the part where he reks na'vi managment and some other shitters PogChamp.
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He said he is going to tear their assholes open.
Must be some crazy anal.
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I swear you are everywhere when Thorin is mentiones, YouTube and Reddit
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Sorry.
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i like you
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Thorin failing to understand it isn't the dream for all pro players to live in the middle of nowhere in America while being on a borderline reality show on TV with camera crews around you at all timea. And abandoning your life, friends, girlfriend in europe to do so.
Not to mention it will be like living in a team house, which for example fnatic is completely opposed to. They don't even wanna boot camp, ever. Now they would have to live with each other for two months. Enough to destroy the team. But of course it's the team owners.
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mostly a valid point but since when is atlanta the middle of nowhere?
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apparently being abroad for two months = abandoning your life... ok
and can you imagine if fnatic said we dont want to live together and the league said 'ok' and got them each an apartment to live in, oh my god such an innovative concept - you must tell about this communication thing to everyone
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The reason behind teams being hesitant to join the league is the management. From watching multiple by the numbers with Thorin and Richard Lewis they have covered this topic many times. To sum it up, the team management do not have a whole lot to gain from their team being in the eLeague, compared to shady backdoor deals of cash from other leagues straight into the pockets of owners. The owners do not care about the longevity of CS they are just looking to turn a quick buck (even though in the long term this league would be a great investment for the teams).
It is no coincidence that the only top team to join the league is Astralis who are owned by the players and are not profit motivated.
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Stop making sense, else thorin might pick your post for his silly thorin vs reddit series.
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They're playing videogames. They have no friends, girlfriends or social life. Come on...
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loeooel 50% of fnc has gfs
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Why does Thorin have such a boner for CLG?
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All he says is that they're doing the best in NA in terms of results, which is true. Even if they're not doing incredibly internationally, they're still doing more than the rest of NA.
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All he says is that they're doing the best in NA in terms of results, which is true.
1-5 and 2nd last place in league play. Which results are they doing best in?
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Thorin pretty much only looks at LAN results.
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Okay, so where are those lan results that show they are doing the best in NA? Please link them for me.
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Damn dude. Salty much? And you say I'm mentally deficient because I didn't read the article when there isn't even an article in the thread.
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You're mentioning his rankings which were written as an article and on the same fucking article is him saying these are based on past perfomances.
Then you go on to ask why he likes them and implying why he put them in his top 10.
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I still have no idea what rankings you are talking about. I guess I didn't read them. This is the first I've heard of Thorin ranking them. Sorry for not reading everything posted here.
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Yep..he even ranked them 7th in the top 10 list which makes absolutely no sense since CLG should be around 15th.
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I wonder what he based the rankings on.... oh wait, it tells you on the same article you didn't bother to read in favor of scrolling and looking at team names.
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He has a huge boner for JDM for no reason
JDM is great with the AWP but have you seen his stats when he isnt AWPing?
he is barely even a pro player when he cant awp
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Except he has constantly mentioned that JDM is not that great without the AWP.
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He straight shits on that fact.
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JDM is great with the AWP but have you seen his stats when he isnt AWPing?
No shit mate he points that shit out every time.
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Thorin dedicated a video to discussing the strengths and weaknesses of JDM as a player.
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TSM ayy lmao