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Using Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs to Discuss the "Proper" Order to Achieve TRP Goals

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Summary:

TRP is at its base about self-improvement. It teaches game, fashion, fitness, health, diet, etc all so that men can improve themselves. What I never realized was that there is an order these need to be accomplished in - fitness, both mental and physical (this includes diet), is key. Improve the others as well, but focus on those two.

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This post is mainly for the new and/or young guys. It's my account of how I misinterpreted crucial TRP tenets and crashed and burned harder than before I knew about TRP. When I first saw TRP some two or three years ago, I deeply believed that all it really took was money, a proper diet, and better fashion to succeed in life. When I began all three of these things I went from completely incel to occasional sex. In my mind, this was success, because I was doing things I'd never done before - partying, getting numbers, making lots of friends, etc.

What I wasn't paying attention to was my actual health and discipline. I half-heartedly lifted, but prioritized drinking, which led to very slow gains. I half-heartedly worked, but would take days off to cheat on my girlfriend with a plate. I half-heartedly did mental exercises such as meditation, math, learning a second language, but I didn't deal with near-constant mood swings and other massive red flags.

I eventually unsubbed from TRP and got into drug use. After a trip to a detox center courtesy of my family, I was diagnosed with BPD (yeah that same thing all of your problem women have) and given Venlafaxine (brand name Effexor). Ever since, I feel like an actual man and not an effeminate male or a little boy.

The takeaway here that I want you new or young guys to get is:

If you think you have a problem, get help.

Refusing to seek help led me to impregnating my favorite plate, almost led to my entire fraternity falling apart, and much more.

This is only one personal example, but we can look at psychology in order to get better-written examples. There was once a famous psychologist named Abraham Maslow who developed a system that he called the Hierarchy of Needs. A great many of you either play lots of video games or used to back in your BP days. Think of the Hierarchy as levels in a game - you can't reach level 3 without reaching level 2, etc. The Hierarchy describes the order in which a man (when Maslow was alive, female psychology was about as well-respected as a modern degree in Basketweaving or Gender Studies) must meet his various needs in order to healthily survive. The Hierarchy is as follows, from first to last.

Physiological

Safety

Love/Belonging

Esteem

Self-actualization

What these actually break down into is the following:

Physiological means things such as breathing air, drinking water, eating food, sleeping, having sex, and taking care of your mental health. If you have problems with any of these and can't seem to fix them, visit a doctor. It may take them a while to fix them, but you can't progress to step two without them all working properly.

Safety is relatively self-explanatory. It is about having the security that you can defend yourself and your family, as well as being secure that you are going to lose neither your home nor your job.

Love/Belonging is again, somewhat self-explanatory. These are things such as friendships, family bonds, and sexual intimacy. Note that sex falls under Physiological, but sexual intimacy falls under Love/Belonging. The key takeaway here is, if you are not functioning healthily (step 1) and not in a secure and content mindset (step 2), you will only have toxic relationships - because you are the toxic one.

Esteem is all about your self-esteem as well as how much you respect and are respected by other people. This goes hand in hand with your confidence, and is actually where the majority of guys new to TRP seem to drop out. This is where you have to start developing the IDGAF attitude as well as begin approaching and talking to strangers in order to make friends, allies, plates, partners, etc.

Self-actualization is where the endgame TRPers have reached. This is where the dudes with trophy wives, harems of plates, beautiful houses and cars, six figure jobs, guys who are ECs, etc have typically made it. Here, you begin to develop an intensely personal set of accomplishments - morality, creativity, spontaneity, the ability to calmly accept truths that once would've made you incredibly salty.

Lesson Learned:

I once believed that TRP was a huge lake full of information and I could jump right into the middle of it all. It isn't. It's a ladder, and before you reach the top, you have to climb up all of the rungs.

Posted Apr 5, 2016, 8:37 PM UTC

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Maslow is one of my favorite psychologists. He is best known today for his Hierarchy of Needs, however, IMO his most interesting work is his study of self-actualizing individuals. Rather than attempt to understand human nature through studying the sick and maladapted, Maslow studied highly successful people.

His book Motivation and Personality has some of this work, definitely something that Red Pill men interested in psychology and personal growth would find valuable.

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bh150•

Putting this on the list to read right now. Future psych student.

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michael_wilkins•

Future psych student.

Prepare to be disappointed

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bh150•

That's great but I want to try it first. I love philosophy I love the mind I live thoughts and I'm personally mentally ill and want to help the field advance. This guy wants money.

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Chinny4daWinny•

This guy wants money.

That guy is me and I agree with you although I love psychology and philosophy. I heard a saying that you should major in something lucrative and minor in what you love.

If you're really headstrong about psychology I wish you the best of luck and hope you find the answers you're looking for.

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afkb39sdfb•

Prepare to have a life of low income prospects and/or unemployement:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/25-college-majors-with-the-highest-unemployment-rates/

  1. Clinical psychology 19.5%
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bh150•

Yes because the number hasn't changed since 2011 also that's one specific major. I don't know what I want to do in my life just yet and I have all of college to figure it out.

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chaseemall•

How is sex in the bottom part? How would you even get sex if the other stuff isn't in order?

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trpintrper•

I always had doubts about this. However thinking about it I realized now that it's a mental state thing.

For a couple months on noFap I didn't have a libido or the desire to masturbate at all, and that really messed me up. No motivation or willpower to do anything. It was almost like depression except I had desires and wants. I don't know how to really explain it.

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TRPrism•

For a couple months on noFap I didn't have a libido or the desire to masturbate at all, and that really messed me up. No motivation or willpower to do anything. It was almost like depression except I had desires and wants.

That's the flatline. Lots of posts on NoFap about it. Supposedly, if you push through it, your libido returns. That too with a bang.

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trpintrper•

Yea flatline sucked. I wasn't expecting it to happen so early into nofap however.

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chaseemall•

Did going through that help you once you were past it?

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trpintrper•

I was going on two months so I started fapping again. I have heard sex drive as a "use it or lose it," kind of thing.

I will try again but this time just cut out porn instead of nofap.

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Algernoq•

It's so socially competent people can shame incels..."medical need" always trumps "feelings".

Actually I don't know. I assume it means: sex in tier 1 = expect to probably reproduce. sex in tier 3 and above = happy in relationships.

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singeblanc•

Famously, sex is listed twice in the hierarchy of needs. There's sex, and then there's sex.

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chaseemall•

So what do I do for 1? Do I just bump uglies with fuglies? Fuck uglies!

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AxocOP•

How is sex in the bottom part? How would you even get sex if the other stuff isn't in order?

Nowadays? Prostitutes are obviously the easiest. Other than that, party sluts.

A lack of sex can be dealt with by avoiding the thirst mentality. Doing MGTOW until you are able to pull (the difference between incel and MGTOW is that incel is not content with Boeing sexless, MGTOW is sexless in order to focus on other pursuits - in this case, the building blocks of your life. Later once this is built up you will pull women as well as generally improve your life)

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throwawaycomedian95•

Why are people downvoting this? This is solid

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returnofthemack2•

yeah, if you're lacking the higher needs, you really gotta start with health/fitness and building a foundation/security (jobs, income etc.). The other stuff can be reached without those things, but it's so so much easier to access the higher needs with a solid foundation, often mandatory

edit: it should also be added that more often than not, the quality of friendships/loves is higher when the other things are in place. That should be fairly self explanatory i imagine

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bh150•

Hey man I feel you on BPD. Was diagnosed with it after an acid trip. But it put me where I am today and woke me up to incredible knowledge. I'm sober now and beginning my journey on trp. I too thought of it as a lake of knowledge and struggle to find a clear path that doesn't skip steps. Would anyone be willing to comment on what I think is the correct way that I'm doing now? I'm starting with talking to new people by just saying hey and trying to keep conversation steady and beginning to lift. This summer I will lift more and probably get a gym membership (I use the one at high school for now but I'm graduating soon) I guess after that I'll try and plate a girl? I've never done it my social skills and body aren't enough to pull it off right now.

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NeoreactionSafeEndorsed Contributor•

 

I see how you are trying to merge these two... Maslow and Red Pill.

The problem is that Maslow is a rather generic and to my knowledge non-polarized (as in no such thing as masculine or feminine) philosophy.

The Red Pill has a focus on sex differences. (sex strategy)

So as I see it they overlap, but the primary focus is different in each discipline.

I remember reading all kinds of what was called "pop psychology" back in the 1970's including books like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_OK,_You%27re_OK

...so there have been many attempts to create a simplified language that explains human behavior.

One of my favorites is Rene Girard and his ideas about imitation.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/girard/

The Red Pill has a focus on studying the Blue Pill which is our modern Feminist brainwashing. The Feminists weren't a huge problem back when Maslow did his work. (1943)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

...most of the Blue Pill didn't exist in 1943.

Child Support Laws weren't even created until 1950.

 

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Bipolar disorder runs in my family and my elder brother has tons of problems with drugs I see myself going down the same path of daily drinking and self medication he has gone down. Moms an alcoholic with bipolar, brothers an alcoholic who has at least been diagnosed with depression probably bipolar as he's talked suicide years ago.

Anyways, I just went on a massive health kick as I was self medicating hardcore with stims and benzos and combining alcohol. I need to pucker up and get diagnosed... I lost a whole month recently as in I don't even remember it. I drank a 40 oz of scotch and did lines all night a few weeks ago. I haven't drank since as I feared booze & drugs were moving from ruining my life to taking it.

The withdrawal symptoms had me back at level 1 Physiology of Maslows hierarchy for 2 weeks as I didn't give a fuck about anything but treating the symptoms until they subsided. I actually made a point to reference Maslows hierarchy in an asktrp thread about my situation that no one read. This thread just hit home for me.

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AxocOP•

Sounds like me, brother. Get diagnosed. Get meds. Get your life together. I can't describe how better I was after meds.

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RP_Vergil•

In short, building a House on a fragile base leads to tragedy. You'll need to consistently build the basics before going further.

Many people kept asking on way to Don't give a fuck. They don't realize that you'll not give a fuck only when you have in surplus. The way to go in having surplus? Consistently work for it. Be it money, woman, goals, success. Nothing comes free and if they do, watch how fast it goes away and what they take along the way.

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BowlOfCandy•

The MGTOW community put together a video using Mazlow's Pyramid, it's called MGTOW: A Unified Theory of the Human Condition. It uses this hierarchy of needs to compare the male vs female approach to satisfying these needs.

Very good video.

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TheRedStoic•

Jesus I'm really sorry about the diagnosis, bpd is really rare in men (~25% of cases in an an affectation that scopes ~1.5% of the US population). I'm glad you are taking the steps to cope.

Maslow was always a great starting point, but before jumping the gun keep in mind his hierarchy can be reordered based on your personal life. Many people actually end up swapping around certain tiers based on personality preference. I'd recommend really evaluating what is most needed right now and starting on that. For example, your emotional needs are likely ramped up to 11, I'd focus on simplifying and mastering that as a higher priority.

Good luck op, nice write up.

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flyercomet•

Saved. This was a huge help to me.

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aanarchist•

the thing is though is trp and most conventional life advice is to skip 3 and go straight to 4 and 5.

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Thenextprince1•

Exactly. Take #3 out of it and youd have something solid. Men should not be searching for love or even believe in it besides as a mating hormone. Men need sex to survive, not love. Love is not a necessity

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chaseemall•

But the social aspect of life is not to be ignored. Think of 3 as not just love but status and being in good standing with a peer group.

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Thenextprince1•

True. Men need a solid group of bros they can depend on. Men need acceptance but at the same time dont. Healthy masculine bonds are needed to an extent, it is healthy. Brotherhood is a beautiful thing. On the other hand, no man should base his sense of self on being accepted by the group.

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chaseemall•

A lot of what I've learned here is that there's a difference between what should be and what is. I should be loved for my genius level IQ and my musical and mathematical abilities. I'm not. If I'm loved it's because if the way I make women feel by dint of charm and charisma.

Similarly, no man should base his sense of self on group acceptance, yet every man does, even you. Work with that and factor it in to your decision making process.

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