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RascalJacque

Should the Group Stage of the Next Major Change?

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After watching the past two majors, I've noticed something that kinda irks me. In CS:GO, we have this unique thing with maps unlike most other major sports, so why are we doing BO1s on random maps? It seems that a lot of who gets in the Quarter Finals depends on what maps get drawn first. Sure, you can say that it doesn't happen often, but honestly, Gambit wouldn't have gotten through without some help with their map pool.

I think that for the next major there needs to be a change. Instead of doing a BO1, do a BO2 instead and have it be more of a pool play style. 2-0 gets you 3 points, 1-1 gives 1 point to each, and no points are given for an absolute loss. If we truly want to be unique and have good teams in the bracket, we need to stop hurting our best teams with crummy maps. If you have any other suggestions, please reply because I'm willing to hear reasoning from both sides. This is just my take as a newcomer in the past six months. Also, I found it strange that the Major Final was only a BO3 and not a BO5.

Posted Jul 10, 2016, 7:09 PM UTC

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KirokiMaaxBravado Gaming Fan•

SWISS SYSTEM is the solution for this

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RascalJacqueOPLuminosity Gaming Fan•

I like it honestly. You're grouped based on your performance and rank. Gets rid of the weak groups and groups of death. I think I would want to see a tournament try it out first before implementing it in a Major.

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csgospookyNinjas in Pyjamas Fan•

I thought the ESL One Cologne 2016 Qualifier used the Swiss System?

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Baskin5000Team Astralis Fan•

It did. But the swiss system should also be implemented for the major group stages, which they aren't.

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DerfHDGambit Gaming Fan•

this is great. esl please

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vikinickSplyce Fan•

Yeah except Swiss system has the problem where teams can lose on purpose to play worse teams.

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KingSmithZzG2 Esports Fan•

yes, it should change so you play every team in your group, also the seeding should change to reflect form outside of ESL, some teams have been poor at the qualifier but amazing before and after, look at G2, one poor qualifier and they get 4th seed, but just beat SK to the ecs title and were looking like a team that could get through the groups, but failed as they had to play two other teams capable of winning that tournament

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RascalJacqueOPLuminosity Gaming Fan•

Yep, that was one of my problems with Cologne is that it seemed there were a couple death groups and some weak ones.

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vande1996•

Tbh I think if they call it a group stage, it should be a real group stage. Every team has to play each other and the first 2 will proceed to the play offs. Groupstages in a bo1/bo2 setting and the play offs bo3, final should be bo5. Imo the final this sunday was boring to watch, liquid just got rekd and it was over within 2 hours.

Also I think it would be a nice idea to remove the map veto, and just choose random maps. At the moment we are watching a small amount of the maps that are in the map pool and often the same maps game after game. I can remember a major last year (not sure which one tho), where cobble got played almost every game. How is this fun to watch? They are pro players, they should be able to compete in the whole map pool, not remove the maps they don't play for some random bullshit.

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RascalJacqueOPLuminosity Gaming Fan•

Yeah, it's frustrating seeing specific maps get vetoed every time. It's almost become a sort of crutch for certain teams.

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manymoney2SK Gaming Fan•

Swiss format in groups

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wheeler9691Team Liquid Fan•

Run the swiss system with ZERO random maps. Watch as the top 8 teams make the quarterfinals or know beyond the shadow of a doubt that they aren't a top 8 team. BO5 final needs to be implemented as well. We've watched the whole tournament for this and it might be an hour and a half before it's over.

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Lord7777Ninjas in Pyjamas Fan•

They should do the groups like the Dota 2 groups.

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Platyp_Team Liquid Fan•

They should have a losers bracket in the playoffs like dota

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