[Open discussion] Pre-debate Discussion Megathread
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TIME: Monday September 26, 2016; all debates (including the Vice Presidential debate) will run from 9:00pm to 10:30pm Eastern Time.
PLACE: Hofstra University
MODERATOR: Lester Holt
FORMAT: Two podiums; standard presidential debate criteria required (eg, no direct questions between candidates)
WATCH: Links (alphabetical order) below with direct links to streams:
Bloomberg TV: http://www.bloomberg.com/live/us
DonaldJTrump.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ4CSmOqS5c
Fox News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubp0CEbqW-U
Hofstra University: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXJoTGj_IKI
Infowars: http://www.infowars.com/show
NBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
PBS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHuzhzb1nc
Telemundo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRwA1NUcUnwsly35ikGhp0A/live
Washington Post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QElWIKfDk
LIVE ANALYSIS: Several outlets are attempting to provide life analysis of each candidate's statements; providing them here so you can fact-check the fact checkers:
NeutralPolitics: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/54nezg/first_debate_factchecking_thread/
Bloomberg TV: http://www.bloomberg.com/live/us
Wired: https://www.wired.com/2016/09/wireds-live-blog-fact-checks-first-presidential-debate/
Breitbart: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/26/trumpclintondebate/
#General questions to start the discussion:
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What will you be looking for, for each candidate?
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In order to win-over new voters, what do the candidates need to achieve?
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How do you think this debate will impact key swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and New Hampshire? What do the candidates need to do to target those key voters?
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What things are each candidate looking to avoid?
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What traits are each candidate hoping to come out during this debate?
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What are the issues you are hoping that comes up during the debate? What issues do you want to see avoided?
Posted Sep 25, 2016, 2:17 AM UTC · edited
Am I the only one who thinks this business with Gennifer Flowers seems like a terrible idea? Like it or not, Trump is a well-documented serial adulterer, and I don't see him coming out on top in a referendum on infidelity. Furthermore, it feeds directly into the left's narrative that he's a bully who likes to resort to personal attacks. I thought it was a hilarious idea when he suggested it on Twitter, but I really hope he doesn't try to pursue this any further.
It made the media talk about her. Most younger people have probably heard the name Monica Lewinsky but not much else. Now Bill's rape allegations will be out in public again without a direct call out.
Regardless of your stance on Bill Clinton's rape allegations, Gennifer Flowers was not a part of them. Bill cheated on Hillary with her, either once or over a prolonged period, depending on which party you believe. Hillary was the victim in this situation. Certainly she openly insulted Flowers and ultimately stayed with Bill, but it was Bill and Gennifer who caused that problem.
Which brings it to the bigger point. Are we voting for Hillary or for Bill? Why is Hillary being judged on the actions of her husband? Criticisms of Melania from the left don't justify this, they are just as bad.
If Trump brings this up outside of the confines of Twitter he loses any ground he's made with women. And rightly so, it's a cheap shot and outrageous at this juncture.
Why was Hillary riding Bill's coat tails during the rallies? If she can use him for her gain then Trump can surely use him for her loss.
Can you give me some examples? I've done a quick google and can't see anything but i'd like to address the point.
I suppose what I mean is that his actions tell us nothing about her, only hers do. If she is wrong to use his actions as a positive, as you've said she has, then Trump is wrong to use them as a negative. Now Trump has also said that his own infidelities should be fair game in the campaign, which is commendable given his insistence on using Bill's, but that doesn't change my belief that where him or Bill stuck their dicks over the years has no impact on which of the two candidates are best suited to the role of president.
If you can't understand the difference between campaigning with your husband and inviting the husband's mistress to a political debate, that's frankly pathetic.
Because of his economic policies, not his personal life. If you can't see the difference between the two, I'm very worried. One, he's a former, popular Democratic president. If she wasn't married to him, she'd probably still be saying the same things. Two, the Gennifer Flowers thing didn't happen while he was President.
[Oooh boy, Juanita Broaddrick is going to want a word with you.] (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Juanita.htm)
Hillary was just as bad if not worse to those women as Bill was.
And if Donald had invited her to the debate we'd be having a different conversation. He didn't. If you have additional information about what she did to Gennifer Flowers they may counter what I said feel free to share it.
No he's not, lol. He did sleep around a bit between marriages, but there's no evidence to support infidelity.
He had a public affair with Marla Maples while married to Ivana. I'm not steeped in Trump lore so I don't know if there's other confirmed cases but that's public record. Personally that's between him and his then wife, it doesn't have any impact on his suitability to be president, but still... don't throw stones and all that.
Trump has admitted he had an affair with Maples while married to Ivana...
I'm pretty sure one of the children was born, or at least conceived, out of wedlock.