Cop "respectfully" gropes woman at traffic stop, gets fired and charged.
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rawstory.comPosted Sep 29, 2016, 9:06 PM UTC
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rawstory.comDoubt he'll get much time and I doubt this will stop him from being a police officer at any other department.
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He's being held on $10,000 bond.... He's already receiving harsher penalties than most would charged with simple battery. He's going to have a rough time and will never work in law enforcement again.
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History does not support this presumption, only time will tell if he gets another cop job...
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History supports whatever you want it to support if you pick and choose the pieces of history and leave out everything else.
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Aye, such is the nature of history.
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just like them priests.
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Not likely. You can kill someone as a cop and get paid leave. This guy will be back in uniform in a year tops.
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get laid leave.
Yeah, I'd pull the trigger on that one.
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I love it when an outsider to the entire process who thinks he had it all figured out tells me how it is from the comfort of his cozy little home.
You couldn't be further from the truth.
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DAE cops get away with everything???
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10k bail?? thats insanely affordable lmao
to everyone downvoting me, cops in my city get paid 79k a year starting. to think a cop wouldnt be able to pay off 1k to avoid going to jail and possibly dying is mind blowing
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Where the fuck do you live. If I needed a life saving medical treatment, I couldn't afford to.
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Do you understand how bail bonds work?
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You typically have to pay 10% of your bail. And it's not an actual payment. It's a 10% payment as a guarantee that you'll be there. It's not pocket change but most people in the US could scrounge up the money from friends and relatives if needed with the knowledge that the money would be repaid.
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you people are morons. you think a fucking cop cant afford $1,000 to get out of jail. jesus
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Add to that that bail bond places only need 10% of your actual bail amount to get you out. I don't necessarily agree with most of your observations, but yes, his bail is pathetically low for someone who abused such a position of authority.
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$10k bail on a misdemeanor is a lot. So I don't understand the claim that it could be considered low.
Also, your city isn't everywhere else. So let's go with, say, the Florida Highway Patrol where this guy works.
http://beatrooper.com/career-opportunities/state-trooper/
Starting at $33k per year so less than half your number. But then you factor in that HE WAS FUCKING FIRED and that number becomes $0.
Plus he now has to hire lawyers and can't get another job doing this line of work. Even if he beats the rap he can't work for any PD until the legal process is completed. That's if he beats the rap. If he doesn't he will never work as a LEO again.
Plus, bail isn't a "I pay this and all charges go away". He still has to face his charges.
Nothing about any of your statements makes sense. I get you want to hate on cops, but at least use valid arguments.
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who the fuck says i want to hate on cops?
and also, this isnt about his lawyers, or the charges, its about paying bail to avoid being surrounded by people who can KILL YOU so easily.
And you think a cop wouldnt have ANY savings? Any amount of money? ONE THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLARS?? lol. ridiculously low amount of money for anyone to have to be honest
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I think you are over estimating how much money people have and liquid it is.
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No most people aren't poor fucks. My job isn't even great and I pay all my bills and put about $1500+ into savings each month. If I was real ambitious or cared more I could probably double that without much effort but I'd rather take it easy and live low-stress.
If you can't come up with $1000 in an emergency situation you are not normal and have a major lifestyle disfunction. Get a better job or move to a cheaper city.
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If you've been criminally charged, you are not getting a job as a police officer surely?
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Unfortunately, that's not the case.
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That's definitely the case everywhere I have applied/heard of. Any misdemeanor B or higher and you're never working as a LEO. Any charge lower than that and your chance of finding work as a LEO drops to about .1%. Essentially you need a perfectly clean record to have any real chance at employment. I've even seen some agencies where traffic tickets meant you couldn't be hired.
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Got any sources? In Australia being charged with sexual assault doesn't just get you fired, it gets you a criminal record, put on the sex offenders register and pretty much unable to get any job in the country that requires a police check (anything that deals with money or children)
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The cop was charged with simple battery, not sexual assault. It's possible they can't prove he groped her or the prosecutor dropped the sexual assault charge in return for his resignation.
If this is the cop's first criminal offense he may get a plea deal or judgement where the record of his conviction is expunged if he completes treatment or a suspended sentence.
Then he can get another cop job and patrol the streets to search for insecure women in need of his help.
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In the US it's not at all uncommon for a cop who burns a bridge with one department to simply scoot on down the road and take a job with another department. It's a big enough issue that the term "gypsy cop" is fairly mainstream.
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In Australia being charged with sexual assault doesn't just get you fired, it gets you a criminal record, put on the sex offenders register and pretty much unable to get any job in the country
So you're saying that I could go to Australia, accuse every police officer I find of sexual assault and they would be fired on my say-so?
God damn. That's harsh.
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I'd like to see some sources on this claim.
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In a case of sexual assault it is; despite the Reddit cop-hate.
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He didn't receive a sexual assault charge, just a simple assault charge.
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You may wanna go ahead and cite some examples
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People can become police officers even if they have a criminal record, assuming the charges are lesser offenses.
All depends on what the charges are/crimes were
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Holy shit that's fucked up, if you are charged with any indictable offence here, you can't be a cop. Even some summary offences exclude you (minor assaults with no injuries)
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Not really. Put it in perspective. Do you think a 23 year old who just graduated college, trying to become a cop, should never be allowed to be one because he got caught smoking weed when he was 17? No. that's dumb.
Or because he had a trespassing charge because he and his friends made a dumb decision during high school?
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Only if you refuse to do the Sex Offender Shuffle
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Your opinions are neat but what do you base them off? The asshole was fired and charged.
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I'm pretty sure if you have convictions most police departments won't hire you. You can't even become a mall cop with a conviction.
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respectfully
Being like that about it makes me super angry.
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But he said with all due respect?
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He didn't even make the "honk honk" noise when he squeezed her assets. So brave.
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Having spent some time in the military, I can promise you that no matter what words follow "With all due respect", they aren't good and you can usually assume your carreer is about to take a drastic turn for the worse.
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Mr. Dennit: Ricky, your little obscene gesture is going to cost you 100 points. Do you know how much that costs us in sponsorship dollars?
Ricky: With all due respect, Mr. Dennit, I had no idea you'd gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed.
Mr. Dennit: What did you just say to me?
Ricky: What? I said it with all due respect!
Mr. Dennit: Just because you say that doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me!
Ricky: It sure as hell does!
Mr. Dennit: No, it doesn't--
Ricky: It's in the Geneva Conventions, look it up!
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Being like that about it makes me super angry.
But does being make like super go to do more want because?
e: wow rude
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Are you having a stroke or am I?
Edit: still no signs of intelligent life
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Hey
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Were you drunk, while you typed that?
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Na, just tryin' to have a giggle at Atari up there, I guess it fell pretty flat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I was there with you for want to do look more like.
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I got what you were going for.
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What a weird story. Why did she let him add himself to her snapchat? Why did he send a picture of them to her friends to see if she thought he was cute? Why did she continue to talk to him over snapchat? How did (presumably non-federal) investigators monitor this conversation?
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What a weird story. Why did she let him add himself to her snapchat?
He seems to have used her phone and added himself, though the details are unclear. Then he seems to have used it at the same time.
Why did he send a picture of them to her friends to see if she thought he was cute?
Might be bad phrasing or he asked her friends if they thought he was cute. Also a bit unclear.
Why did she continue to talk to him over snapchat?
Presumably because authorities started monitoring their communication and they needed to gather evidence.
How did (presumably non-federal) investigators monitor this conversation?
Probably used her phone or supervised the communication from her side, unless they had some other technical solution.
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It should never have reached that point. She made mistakes too.
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And how can you say that with certainty? I have met women that won't indicate that they are uncomfortable, sure. But an on-duty police officer performing his task shouldn't aggressively approach women in the first place. Let alone grope her.
Clearly the subsequent conversation, which was monitored by police, proved the previous scenario.
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Source on "aggressively?"
Sounds like they were flirting and he fucked up. He is in the wrong, but she wasn't just randomly groped out of nowhere.
She talked with him on Snapchat for a while after the whole thing. She invited him into her life by engaging with him like that.
The report said that the woman told Gonzalez over Snapchat that he “moved too fast with her,”
She said he moved too fast. Meaning that if he went slower, she would have been more inviting and not complained.
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She made mistakes too.
Like what?
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Giving him the phone, asking if he's cute, adding him to shapchat, etc...it sounds like she was flirting.
He's in the wrong, but people here act like he just walked up and groped her out of the blue. They were flirting.
She talked with him on Snapchat for a while after the whole thing. She invited him into her life by engaging with him like that.
The report said that the woman told Gonzalez over Snapchat that he “moved too fast with her,”
She said he moved too fast. Meaning that if he went slower, she would have been more inviting and not complained.
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He took her phone and added himself before groping her. She reported his behavior and allowed authority to monitor discussions with him to gain more evidence. Where were her mistakes?
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Giving him the phone, asking if he's cute, adding him to shapchat, etc...it sounds like she was flirting.
He's in the wrong, but people here act like he just walked up and groped her out of the blue. They were flirting.
She talked with him on Snapchat for a while after the whole thing. She invited him into her life by engaging with him like that.
The report said that the woman told Gonzalez over Snapchat that he “moved too fast with her,”
She said he moved too fast. Meaning that if he went slower, she would have been more inviting and not complained.
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Doesn't matter. You're in a position of authority and you abuse that, you face the consequences. There are very simple rules to prevent things like this from happening.
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Not saying the weirdness affects his guilt. Just that it's weird.
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What do you mean, let him? He's likely much bigger than her, and a cop. What do you think would happen if she tried to just drive away? It seems she was smart, and did exactly what she should have done- let him leave all kinds of digital trails for investigators to follow, and successfully stop him from raping her after he started to grope her. I can't imagine what else you think she could have done in this situation.
And I imagine that monitoring the conversation was as easy as this woman walking into a police station, asking to talk with a detective, and showing him her snapchat conversation.
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That's why we have laws against consenting adults having sex with each other when there's a clear imbalance of power. For example, some states make it illegal for a student and teacher in school to fuck, even if the student is 18, even if the student isn't a student of the teacher. (I don't believe that applies to post-secondary education.)
Similarly, when a uniformed cop "respectfully" gropes you, there's an extremely obvious imbalance of power.
Though if I were here, I'd have a lawyer be the one talking with the detective. Hard to trust another cop after one just groped you, eh?
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This is the most on point comment I've read on this thread.
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Florida.
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Oh.
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I don't think your username is entirely compli
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Man.
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It said she reported to an "off-duty officer". It may have been a friend or acquaintance who would have advised her not to delete him from Snapchat.
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He did that after taking her phone, and she communicated with him afterward as part of a police investigation.
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The face of "I actually thought I did nothing wrong."
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He was just trying to be a nice guy, not like all those other jerks.
/s
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I've gotta say, he does sort of a put a face to the rapey vibe that "niceguys" give off.
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When he groped her he had his pinkies out.
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What a fucking piece of shit
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Just saw this post while watching a movie called Crash right at a scene where a cop gropes a woman in a traffic stop...
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The report said that the woman told Gonzalez over Snapchat that he “moved too fast with her,” and his response was that “guys only want one thing and I wanted to treat you with respect and do away with you(r) insecurities about yourself.”
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Well thank goodness he was trying to fix her insecurities. Here I thought he was taking advantage of his position. What a clod.
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It was all just a misunderstanding because of an hysterical female who ruthlessly friendzoned him for no good reason /s
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Thank goodness for the /s. Lol I can't stand creeps like that.
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Yeah. Either be a normal guy, or a straight up rapist. I hate those fuckers who are just creepy and you don't know which side they're on.
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That's one of the most fucked up things I have read in a while.
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That guy looks like a real meathead and clearly has serious mental problems. Can't they find decent, reasonably smart people to be cops anymore?
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Cue the "steroid insanity defense" - truth is stranger than fiction. Before you rebuke that, remember that "affluenza" worked.
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Still smh at "affluenza." But I mean, look at this guy. Box of rocks upstairs.
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M'victim
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respectfully groping
college i go to had an incident like this where police described the assailant as "forcible fondler."
I'm curious to see more
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What a gentleman
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And people say there's no reason to be afraid of cops...like, ok. I'm the daughter of a good cop. I know there's great ones out there. But when you're pulled over or flagged down by one, you cannot tell what kind of cop you're about to meet. You hope it's one like my dad, or my cousin, or the many who've been kind to me in my life. But no matter what color or gender you are, you could get somebody like this fucker and that's scary.
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Might be bad phrasing or he asked her friends to see if she thought he was cute?
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Holy hell, I think this guy pulled me over once...
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I live in Florida but honestly what the fuck is wrong with Florida. Every fucked up story in the news comes from Florida.
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If only he had shot her, he'd just get a paid vacation.
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Only if she's black.
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I expect he'll get a lot of respect in prison.
It was his plan all along...