[Breeds] What breed is right for me?

Breeds

Introduction

  1. Will this be your first dog? If not, what experience do you have owning/training dogs?
  • First dog for the whole family. Personally I never had any pets, my wife has had many (fish, rodents, dog), and our kid obviously had no pets yet, either.
  1. Do you have a preference for rescuing a dog vs. going through a reputable breeder?
  • I'd like a dog from a breeder.
  1. Describe your ideal dog.
  • Biggish, looking wolflike. I am not a fan of little barky things and would prefer my dog to look attractive. Personally, I don't even mind the looks of the hairless breed (Xoloitzcuintli), but it's not exactly a favourite. My family has considered this and agrees with me (my wife), or "wants something cute and cuddly" (the kid). He'd prefer a pug or an english bulldog (I'm not a fan of either and he doesn't really get a full vote as he'll be moving out before the dog is "old". I'd still like to list this, as his "it has to look derpy" demand is sort of adorable and would score extra points).

I'd also like a dog that is capable of (and happy to) running long distance. I do lazy ultradistance running and cycling (lazy meaning: no strict training regime) a few times and year and I have this lovely image of cycling with a dog. Who can pull me up a hill near the end when I am feeling the effort.

  1. What breeds or types of dogs are you interested in and why?
  • From what I read and saw on pictures, I'd love an Alaskan Malamute. They look lovely, they can stay active for ridiculously long distances. However, apparently they are not a good choice for people new to dogs. I also liked the looks of Labrador Retrievers for their cute eyebrows when they beg for food.

Looks wise, I'm also a fan of the Karelian Bear Dog or Greenland Dog.

  1. What sorts of things would you like to train your dog to do?
  • I'd like this to be a really detailed answer. But it isn't. I'd like the dog to be happy with whatever the family is doing (which does include lazy evenings when the weather is rubbish), as long as it can come on lengthy trips with me. More than 12 to 14 hours outside will be rare, but I wouldn't want the furball to get hurt by staying outside that long either.

Care Commitments

  1. How long do you want to devote to training, playing with, or otherwise interacting with your dog each day?
  • This will have to be a split answer. I personally can only train and interact with the dog extensively after work. One to two hours maximum per day, and there will be days when there is less time. However, my family will be home during the day and will have more time. Ideally, after the puppy stage, this could be reduced to "a few hours of excercise" and some cuddles or rest.
  1. How long can you exercise your dog each day, on average? What sorts of exercise are you planning to give your dog regularly and does that include using a dog park?
  • I'll sum it up, because anything else makes no sense. Two to three hours per day on three trips. One one-hour walk/play (but not run) in the morning with my wife, one one-hour sized walk/play in the afternoon with wife and kid, one one-to-two hour (more when sunny/warm) run with me. I don't mind replacing runs with play/tug/bounce around the park time while the dog is young.
  1. How much regular brushing are you willing to do? Are you open to trimming hair, cleaning ears, or doing other grooming at home? If not, would you be willing to pay a professional to do it regularly?
  • The house is smooth floor only, so brushing would be fine. We had a kid, so gentle home care we're happy to do. I currently think I'd be happy to brush fur for an hour while watching the telly or some such. We could afford a groomer, but I haven't seen any nearby (nor looked much into it, to be honest).

Personal Preferences

  1. What size dog are you looking for?
  • Large. Medium if neccessary. I don't want small.
  1. How much shedding, barking, and slobber can you handle?
  • Shedding is okay (see housing situation above). I'd like low barking and low slobber.
  1. How important is being able to let your dog off-leash in an unfenced area?
  • Not very. Our city has limitations on where dogs can be off-leash anyway, so that is only partially a valid question.

Dog Personality and Behavior

  1. Do you want a snuggly dog or one that prefers some personal space?
  • I'd prefer snuggles.
  1. Would you prefer a dog that wants to do its own thing or one that’s more eager-to-please?
  • Eager to please would be brilliant. I assume not only breed but also personality plays a role, though. And we've got the human child that does as he pleases sometimes, yet at other times does what he's told. Both I can work with.
  1. How would you prefer your dog to respond to someone knocking on the door or entering your yard? How would you prefer your dog to greet strangers or visitors?
  • One thing that attracted me to the Malamutes was their "love everyone and make rubbish guard dogs" attitude. I don't mind my dog saying "hello" to the postman, but I'd greatly prefer to keep getting my mail.
  1. Are you willing to manage a dog that is aggressive to other dogs?
  • Not really, no. I don't need protection, I want someone who gets along with other dogs.
  1. Are there any other behaviors you can’t deal with or want to avoid?
  • I'd prefer to not have to deal with spontaneous bursts of hunting. We have a forest behind the house and a walk there would be brilliant if the friendly dog didn't have to murder everything in sight. Or smell. Or noise.

Lifestyle

  1. How often and how long will the dog be left alone?
  • Not much. I wanted to say "not at all", but of course it'll have to stay outside shops and such. I'd also want to teach the furball to be okay with staying alone for a bit, just in case (you know: family member in hospital or some such - not allowed to bring dogs there).
  1. What are the dog-related preferences of other people in the house and what will be their involvement in caring for the dog?
  • See above: my wife, my kid and myself all want a dog. They are all looking forward to training one (although the kid has dubious plans at best - riding it into battle is high on his list of priorities. We might have to talk him out of that if it ends up a Pug).
  1. Do you have other pets or are you planning on having other pets? What breed or type of animal are they?
  • No other pets.
  1. Will the dog be interacting with children regularly?
  • Yes, at least one. There will be occasional visitors and it would be better if the dog didn't eat them.
  1. Do you rent or plan to rent in the future? If applicable, what breed or weight restrictions are on your current lease?
  • Our house (and garden), no plan to move in the forseeable future.
  1. What city or country do you live in and are you aware of any laws banning certain breeds?
  • Germany, biggish city. We have no restrictions on dogs, but anything with a wolf in the last five generations needs a special permit and the dog tax for "battle" dogs is 10 times normal. That still is not crippling, but I'd like to avoid the following races (Pit-Bull, Bandog, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bullterrier, Tosa-Inu, Alano, American Bulldog, Bullmastiff, Bullterrier, Cane Corso, Dog Argentino, Dogue de Bordeaux, Fila Brasileiro, Mastiff, Mastin Espanol, Mastino Napoletano, Perro de Presa Canario (Dogo Canario), Perro de Presa Mallorquin, Rottweiler). Please try to resist commenting on the cities laws. I am in no position to change them :)
  1. What is the average temperature of a typical summer and winter day where you live?
  • Average Winter (December to February) is 2 - 4°C, average summer (May to September) is 20 - 24°C. However, we do go from -20°C to around 35°C on occasion.

Additional Information and Questions

  1. Please provide any additional information you feel may be relevant.
  • We have no family nearby willing to take care of a dog for emergencies. This means, we'd need to hire some daycare or sitter for unplanned emergencies and would need a dog that would not panic completely when taken to strangers.
  1. Feel free to ask any questions below.
  • How serious is that "not a newbie dog" recommendation to be taken? I wonder about this a lot, since technically no one asks about children either. You have them, you live with what you get. It's not like someone would go out and say "Oh no... don't have a boy first! They get into trouble constantly in their teens!".

Thank you. I'm hoping for suggestions :)

Posted Oct 4, 2016, 1:29 PM UTC

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MaxthemuttyRedDog•

(although the kid has dubious plans at best - riding it into battle is high on his list of priorities. We might have to talk him out of that if it ends up a Pug).

ahahahaa.

Honestly, it sounds like you would do wonderfully with a lab.

It's always best, when looking at dogs, to go with the lowest exercise you will give them. So for example, the way your post comes across is that you will be a "fair weather" dog owner. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all, but it does mean that potentially the Malamute isn't a good choice... You want to run when it's warm and sunny, the Mal will have far less energy in that weather and will want to do the distance running when it's freezing outside!

If you go for a Lab, which are generally slightly more controlable energy wise, you and your family are going to have a much nicer time at home. Most dogs can adapt "up" to meet your energy levels, than down. Hope that makes sense?

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Thank you. "Fair weather dog owner" is probably a really good description. I should keep that in mind.

I'm slightly "worried" (although that is too strong a word) about Labradors being "fashion dogs". They show up everywhere and everyone loves them. But is that because they really are that brilliantly lovely, or is that more of a fad? The same, by the way, seems to be happening to the Malamutes I mentioned - they show up more and more over here. And they get more love than Huskies.

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MaxthemuttyRedDog•

They are definitely popular dogs for a reason - they are absolutely wonderful, friendly, happy, forgiving and fairly "easy" family dogs! Not all popular dogs are around a lot for the right reason, but Labs definitely are! Just make sure you find a super breeder to help you!

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CiElBieWorking Lab and WL Tervuren•

Malamutes are not eager to please, and are pretty vocal dogs.

A lab sounds like a great choice! Seems to fit all your criteria very well! Be critical with health testing in regards to breeders, by that I mean make sure they do testing for Hips, Elbows and genetic diseases. Should be done with any breed.

Dogs are not horses haha, its bad for them to be "ridden" no matter their size :P

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Interesting, thank you. I hadn't heard about Mals being vocal before. The last two I met were pulling scooters and were mostly huffing a bit.

Also ... a battle-pug would look awesome for a garden gnome. Especially armoured. But I can see that they might not make ideal riding pets :)

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Anneof1000daysLittleBoPug @ Insta•

As a diehard Pug person, I would absolutely buy battle-Pug garden gnomes for my garden!

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CallMeMrsSlenderSummer(ACD/AmStaff) Star (Chiweenie) Eleanor (Boxer•

Have you thought about a Boxer? They aren't huge or wolflike, but they are beautiful and tend to be very derpy/goofy dogs.

They are wonderful family pets and are happy with an hour or two of physically exercise and various mental exercises (Kongs, puzzle toys, training, etc). They do slobber a bit and can be very vocal but not necessarily all barking, sometimes it's back talk or grumbles. They are happy as long as they are around you and your family. Seriously they act more like a child than a dog sometimes! They would need a winter jacket depending on how cold it gets in the winter but are generally a-ok with most weather. So they would be just fine hanging out in your yard while you are at work. Now they do have a decent prey drive, if you can work on a strong leave it and recall it shouldn't be much of an issue at all. They love people so you won't have to worry much about them eating your guests unless you consider excessive kissing eating!

Since you are talking about going through a breeder, a Boxer would be a good choice since with a breeder you would know more health-wise since they are prone to illness. They have a lifespan of about 7-10 years maybe 13 or so if you get really lucky.

That's my input and I wish you luck on your search!

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

A-ha! A different breed suggestion. Thanks :)

Boxers are interesting looking. The "ran into a wall by accident" look would go well with the slightly-less-than-ideal coordination of the future owners. Would they be okay for longer running, though?

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CallMeMrsSlenderSummer(ACD/AmStaff) Star (Chiweenie) Eleanor (Boxer•

I've never taken any of my Boxers for long distance running. If you do it would be after they're fully grown that way you don't risk damage to their joints. Their shorter snouts make it to were they could over heat faster than a dog with a longer snout, if you do go running I would stop and allow them a short break to get water and cool down just to be safe.

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Whenthemoonisbroken•

I have a Boxer who I am planning to run with when he's 18 months. Boxers certainly can and do run longish distances if it's not too hot, I know of some that do dry land sledding too. There are Boxers that compete at endurance, so running 21km (13 miles) with vet checks along the way.

Today at the dog park my boy was run relentlessly for 45 minutes by two kelpies who herded him all around the park. But he still exploded with energy and ran for another half an hour when his Golden Retriever friend turned up.

As you're going through a breeder you could talk to him or her about wanting a dog to run with, there are more and less suited lines. The European type tend to have more muscle and bone, so they might struggle a bit more with very long distances. U.K. and American lines are lighter. Look for someone who breeds boxers that do agility or tracking or flyball.

They are a bit harder to train than Labs or Goldens, they tend to be super social and distractible, they are smart too and can have a why should I? attitude. But they aren't sensitive to mistakes the way a GSD would be. And they'd be a lot more biddable than a Malamute.

And derpy? Come on. http://m.imgur.com/dNLBf0u,YC66A6D

http://m.imgur.com/account/Torr99/images

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ski3Summit- Golden Retriever•

"wants something cute and cuddly" (the kid)

In addition to labs, Golden Retrievers could also be a good match. They're incredibly similar breeds. Goldens are slightly lower energy and have a better "off switch" (but can still keep up with your energy requirements). They're also fluffier which helps with your kid's cute and cuddly request. They are extremely biddable and easy to train, which is excellent for first time owners. And they also tend to LOVE kids.

Additionally,

One thing that attracted me to the Malamutes was their "love everyone and make rubbish guard dogs" attitude

This is kind of the definition of a Golden. If you tell a decent Golden Retriever breeder that you are looking for a guard dog, they might actually laugh you out of their house.

Remember that in terms of your exercise requirements, young puppies can't be exercised as much as you may want. They can't go running with you until they are at least 1.5-2 years old.

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Remember that in terms of your exercise requirements, young puppies can't be exercised as much as you may want. They can't go running with you until they are at least 1.5-2 years old.

This is okay. The rest of the family needs adjusting to a more outdoorsy lifestyle anyway. I let them get away with not running with me (I know I shouldn't .. but they are cute and cuddly, too, just not furry).

Golden Retriever and Labrador always come up as similar on the online "personality" descriptions (err.. offline, too, if you count books - but I don't want to give away that I am old fashioned). It's just that I like the look of the Labrador slightly better. Must be because I don't like curly hair or something...

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bulborbSweetpea the Herding Hound•

You sound like a great candidate for a Lab. If you're going to get a puppy, make sure you research your breeder well.

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Thank you.

Same as above. Everyone seems to love Labradors. Are they that good for everyone or is it just a fashion trend?

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bulborbSweetpea the Herding Hound•

They aren't good for everyone. I wouldn't recommend them to someone with a near sedentary lifestyle, who doesn't want an affectionate dog, or who can't handle shedding. They are good for beginners because they are easy to train (they're biddable), they have moderate energy levels, they're highly sociable, just overall have a good/easy temperament. They're popular for practical reasons.

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je_taime•

They're not a fashion trend; they're just popular. Poodle of the right breeding would be another decent dog for you. I think you need to look at these at versatile family dogs instead of a "fashion trend."

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Pablois4Alfie the smooth collie•

I'd love an Alaskan Malamute. They look lovely, they can stay active for ridiculously long distances.

The Malamute was meant for freight hauling - heavy loads for shorter distances. That was the original malamute - the modern version has a much thicker coat, bigger boned and as a result is not great for endurance.

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Thanks for that bit. The breeders nearby advertised them (on their webpage, though, I'm not ready to speak to anyone yet) as more "long distance, but slower" than the Siberian Huskies.

I am not going to ask my wife if I'm considered a heavy load...

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pankaikeRocket- Australian Shepherd•

Maybe you could get a mal a bit later, they're not for beginners! I think y'all would do wonderfully with a lab or a golden! Goldens are super patient and good with kids, but they have a propensity to cancer which can get sad. Labs are AWESOME kid dogs, just watch out for breeders without hip testing!!

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

I hear the "not for beginners" a lot. What does it mean, though (I mean, apart from the obvious)?

Is this something that you could work around by paying more attention to the training? Does it mean they will train me faster than I can train them? Are they just generally maliciously evil in their wicked slobbering ways and need someone trained by having picked up Labrador poop for 15 years?

The concept is hard to grasp for me.

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pankaikeRocket- Australian Shepherd•

A lot of it boils down to the dog's 'tude. Generally, spitz breeds are very independent and aren't good for people who haven't had a good experience with an eager to please dog. Malamutes are big, hairy, loud, and generally don't do well off leash or performing tricks. They're also pretty high energy, and with a big dog like that it takes a LOT a LOT a LOT of commitment to keep them satisfied. If they are not satisfied, they will become bored and chew through drywall, furniture, etc. Also, if not properly socialized, they can become aggressive. Not just with other dogs, even though that is an issue, but also with food. Food aggression is hard to deal with, especially for those who don't have former experience in the intricacies of mealtime. For beginners, just paying attention to the training is a start, but not a workaround because they are just difficult animals to own. They will train you and pretty much resist you training them. Without proper experience, they will make your life hell: this is why they are not for beginner dog owners.

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xg220German Shepherd•

Malamutes are great dogs, but they do come with their challenges, and based off of your own preferences you probably do not want one. I will expand below:

I'd prefer snuggles.

Malamutes are a very independent breed, they tend to be "cat-like" in their affections, however it really depends on the dog. For example, my dog Ice was fine with snuggling or petting, however he would never seek it out. If I wanted to pet or sit down with him I'd always have to go to him first, he would never come to me on his own seeking affection. Also, a lot of them aren't the type of dogs that get excited when you come home. My dog would lift his head up to acknowledge my existence, but that was about it. Conversely, I've seen Malamutes that are total lovebugs, so YMMV.

Eager to please would be brilliant. I assume not only breed but also personality plays a role, though. And we've got the human child that does as he pleases sometimes, yet at other times does what he's told. Both I can work with.

Malamutes (and Siberian Huskies) are not eager to please at all. They are independent and stubborn, this is the #1 reason they aren't recommended to 1st time owners and people with limited experience. Why? Well, 1st time owners tend to make a lot of mistakes when training & socializing their first dog, and when you make training mistakes with a dog that is very hard to train, it is a lot harder to fix those mistakes than other, more biddable breeds. Puppies are nightmares already as it is, but when you have a puppy with a self serving and stubborn attitude, they can give first time owners a very hard time. If you do not know what you're doing, they can and will walk all over you.

I'd prefer to not have to deal with spontaneous bursts of hunting. We have a forest behind the house and a walk there would be brilliant if the friendly dog didn't have to murder everything in sight. Or smell. Or noise.

Malamutes tend to have pretty high prey drive, along with very poor recall. They will give chase to prey on site, and they will not listen to you when you try to call them back. My dog Ice tried to go after pretty much anything he saw, and trust me, it's not fun having a 100lb dog pull you with all of their might trying to chase a cat.

Another thing with Malamutes (and Huskies as well), is that they have a strong instinct to roam. They love to trot off on "adventures", and will do things like dig under and climb fences to do so. Even though I pretty much never let my dog off leash, he still got out a few times (about 4 times). Every time he got out was because somebody left a door open. My dog wasn't a door bolter, either. But if the door was open and nobody was looking, off he went. If you get a Malamute it is very important they have tags on their collar (with your number and address on it) and are microchipped.


All that being said, it is definitely possible to have a Malamute as a first dog, you just need to know what you're getting into and think about whether or not what I listed above are deal breakers for you. If you do decide to get one, I highly recommend you get an adult dog rather than a puppy, as an adult would be much easier for a 1st time owner.

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Thank you. I'd definitely need to talk to a breeder first anyway. You have sort of confirmed my suspicions about a Mal. More thinking obviously required. And a heavier sleigh :)

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xjuggernaughtx•

No bandogs? That's super sad.

It's probably too late to chime in, but Goldens are great family dogs that are easy to train, but like people above have said, not great guard dogs. I'm with the user that suggested the Boxer. Great dogs.

I mean, if you can't have a bandog, that is.

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reallymostlyharmlessOP•

Late, but not missed. Thank you for another suggestion :)

As I said, a guard dog is entirely not a priority. I have the advantage of living in a place with lovely low crime rates. On the contrary ... the only people coming to our house are friends, neighbors, mail delivery people and the occasional farmer trying to sell his apples (and apple spirits). None of those need scaring away.

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Curious_One18Finn the AmStaff mix•

Malamute has too much energy than you can provide. Bulldogs have a lot of health problems so gg medical bills.

Lab or golden retriever sounds great. And if those don't work, then try out a cat!

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