Outer Banks Marathon - Redemption Race

Race Report

Race information

Goals

GoalDescriptionCompleted?
A3:25:00???
B3:33:35 (1 hour PR)???
C3:45:00???

Background

So my wife volunteered me to run the Outer Banks Marathon back in April because I hadn't been to OBX before and we'd get a hotel discount if I signed up for the marathon. I'd only recently started running for 2016. My total annual mileage in 2015 was 65 miles. I'd started running casually in March/April, but maybe on the order of 10mpw, and I struggled to run 3 miles at an 8:00 pace.

To be as clear as possible, I went into this marathon training cycle with zero actual mileage base. It wasn't until May that I started running more frequently and it wasn't until June that I started anything resembling training. But sure, I'd be willing to try for the marathon - and because medals are cool, I signed up for their "Challenge Mode" thing where I run an 8K race the day before the marathon and so I get a few extra medals.

I was never a serious runner. As I noted in my community interview, I never ran in high school or college and only started running in 2009. And then that fell apart. I haven't run a marathon since the Marine Corps Marathon in 2009 - which was a disaster as well as my first marathon. I blew up at mile 14 and limped my way into a finish in 4:33:35. I basically swore off running after that. I'd do the occasional race with minimal training and have always been in fairly decent shape, but this was going to be something completely new for me. At this point, I decided that I'd aim for a 3:45 goal and be happy if I could go sub-4. Those were my 2009 goals and figured if I'd be able to pull off the performance that I wanted from seven years ago, that I'd be pleased with that. Shortly thereafter, my competitive streak kicked in, I discovered AR, and started getting hooked on running.

Training

After doing a decent amount of research, I settled on the Hanson's Advanced Training plan. Why? Because, uh, I'd run one marathon. Obviously I wasn't a beginner. And Pfitz and Daniel's honestly confused the hell out of me with all of their GA/Q/etc. acronyms. I didn't know what I was doing and I found this page. It made sense to me and I figured I'd roll with it. That was literally the only research I did when deciding to launch into this. Also, I read u/brwalkernc's race report from Black Mountain about this time and saw he was doing this "run streaking" thing. I figured I'd like to try that challenge and see how many days in a row I could run because I didn't want to give myself a chance to skip running. So sure, I'd start training for a marathon using an "advanced" training plan and start run streaking at the same time.

Oh, and also I didn't know what "workouts" were. The "speed" days on the training plan, I tried to run 3 miles at a 5k pace. No warmup, no cooldown, just go run a fast 5k. Because it said that you should be doing "speed" at your 5k speed. Strength workouts I'd somehow decided should be a six mile run at a slightly-better-than-marathon-pace. It was only in the last three weeks leading up to the marathon that I actually did workout runs (3x2mi, 5x1mi).

But aside from that confusion, I hit pretty much everything else on the training plan. I shifted my long runs to Saturdays (BECAUSE ITS BETTER THAT WAY!), had to swap around a few runs here and there, but was a little hesitant about the fact that the plan maxed out at 16 miles. Obviously, if you're an advanced marathoner the distance is no big deal to you. But as a guy who hasn't gone that distance in 7 years? It was a little nerve-wracking. So I tried three times to go for 20. The first time my route brought me by home around mile 17, so I just quit there. The second time, I was on vacation, hung over, and generally had a bad run. It was so demoralizing - I started seriously doubting my ability to even finish the marathon, let alone throw down a good time. Finally, two weeks before the marathon, I nailed the 20 miler - it went spectacularly well and gave me a huge amount of confidence. Glad I went off plan to knock out the run.

Full Strava Training Log

Pre-race

I ran the 8k race the day before as a shakeout race. I had to rewrite this section from what I'd planned based on the 8k. As I noted here, I quickly realized the 8k was going to be a very slow race so I put a little effort into it... and won it. Got to break the tape and everything. That was an enormous confidence boost (and entirely unexpected) the day before a marathon.

I've been making banana nut overnight oats for breakfast pretty much exclusively the last several months (so easy!), including for all of my other races, so I didn't want to change anything about that. I got up at 5:30, had my breakfast, used the restroom a few times, and then my parents drove me over to the start. I actually didn't do any kind of warm up run for the race. It was cold, I was feeling lazy, and so I got to the start line with cold muscles.

Race strategy

So I built my race strategy around three main data points. The first was my almost-5k (3.02 miles on the Garmin) that I won in 19:00. The second was the half marathon in a hurricane that I finished in 1:33:58. And the third was that 20 mile long run to build confidence and give me the faith I needed to be ambitious. Plenty of folks on here, including u/brwalkernc in particular, kept pressuring me to increase my goal time even further.

The 5k predicted a 3:15 marathon, the half predicted a 3:20 marathon, but I didn't feel confident in either of them. That said, I knew my initial goal of 3:45 was way too slow and even my second goal of 3:30 was seeming a little slow. I thought if I could pull of a 3:25 (7:49/mi average), I'd be very pleased with myself. If I could negative split it, that would be even better. So that was my goal. Don't blow the first mile by going too fast, then settle in at something like a 7:45 and roll with it until about 18-20, then see what I've got left for the finish.

Turns out they had pacers, but only 3:15 and 3:30 pacers. I wasn't really happy with either group, so figured I'd just go back to my original race plan and see what happened.

Miles 1-10

Gun went off, I started with the 3:30 pacer and hung with him for a mile. That was a great way to ensure I didn't go out too strong, and while I flirted with the idea of staying with the 3:30 pace group until the half point, I pretty much immediately decided that wasn't going to work. So I went back to my original strategy and started easing up the pace slightly. Of course, me being me, the ability to run 7:45 miles was quickly lost and they ended up being more like 7:20 - 7:30 miles. After the first mile, nobody passed me (kind of - or at least nobody I hadn't passed first). I'd slowly slowly reel in and pick off runners as I went. There was a girl in a lime shirt that I ended up following for about eight miles. I passed her, she temporarily passed me, I passed her, etc. There was one guy (looked late 20s/early 30s) who blew past me around mile 8. I saw him walking / shuffling along at mile 18 suffering from massive cramps.

It was also around here that I dropped one of my two 10oz bottles of Tailwind that I'd brought along and shoved into my flipbelt. I heard it drop, I looked back over my shoulder, but decided that I wasn't going to go back for it. Did this hurt me later? Maybe, maybe not.

I first saw my family here at Wright Brothers memorial around mile 8.5 - it was awesome to see everyone and was a nice boost. They were trying to see me about five times along the course, but since it's a point to point race they were going to have to drive to a spot (three vehicles!), get out, wrangle the kids into strollers, head to where they could see me, cheer for me, race back to the car, and drive off to the next spot. Huge effort on their part, but they made some great signs as well.

Miles 11-13

This was a mix of multi-use graveled roads and then ending with some single-track. It was an awesome change of pace to have a few (very small) hills to work some different muscles as opposed to the last 10 miles of pancake flat road miles. Somewhere around mile 12, I passed a guy who was very loudly swearing at himself. I was in a great mood, so I asked him if he was doing okay - he had headphones in and launched into a high volume litany of complaints about how he was five minutes off his pace (12 miles in??), cramping, and having a shitty day. Yikes, hope your day gets better, time for me to move on so your negative vibes don't mess with me. It was also around this point that I dropped Lime Shirt Girl. We chatted for a few minutes, she said she was shooting for a sub-3:30, I told her she was on track to beat that time by a lot considering we dropped the 3:30 pacer 12 miles ago, and good luck - and off I went.

Saw my family again a little after the halfway point, I was still cruising along well. I think I hit the halfway point right around 1:38 or 1:39 (I wasn't paying close attention to my watch) and with some mental math, I knew that it was possible to go 3:20 on it and/or negative split, as long as I stayed strong. I was having a great day, running with a smile on my face, and so that definitely seemed on the edge of possibility.

Miles 14-22

These were all pretty unremarkable miles - I saw very few other runners. There were times where I was the only runner I could see in both directions. Near the end of this chunk of miles, I started picking up a few 3+ hour half-marathon walkers, who of course had no idea there were people running up from behind or that they should quit hogging the entire path. Still, it was only a minor annoyance. We ran along the main road for a while, would duck into a residential neighborhood and run through that for a few miles, then back out onto the main road, repeat. As we went along, we gradually grew closer to The Bridge - which didn't scare me, but it was a huge visual marker for "almost there."

I did walk two water stops near the end of this segment. I'd been hitting almost every water stop and getting maybe a third of a cup of water as I went, but was starting to feel dehydrated and like I needed the assist. On the first one I walked (maybe around 18?), I got two waters and a Gatorade. On the second (I think at 21?), I got a water and a Gatorade. However, with all of those fluids I figured I'd probably need to skip all of the rest of the water stops so I didn't slosh around my stomach too much.

Miles 23-26.2

I went up the bridge, I went down the bridge. Felt strong, still cruising. And then at mile 24.5 (or so, maybe a little after), right after I passed a guy, my left hamstring started to cramp - bad. Mid-stride, it felt like it got hit by a bolt of lightning. I'd been doing some mental math and thought that 3:20 was still just achievable if I stayed strong, but the moment that I cramped it went to "oh no, just please don't make me one of those people hobbling the last two miles." The guy I just passed offered me a salt tab, which I declined, and then he zoomed off ahead again. I kept trying to run on it, even though it was painful, and after about a quarter mile the cramp mostly went away.

With it, however, went my speed. I couldn't hold a sub-8 mile anymore and my smile was gone as well. It changed from a "This is a great day, I'm doing awesome, ticking off miles" to "Oh please, is it over yet? Where is the finish line? We've got to be getting closer." I kept picking off more and more half marathon runners as I went, continuing to plod along toward the finish line.

I had grand plans of "Fastest Mile Last" and throwing down a Beast Mode final mile, but that wasn't happening. Instead, I hit the mile 26 marker, tried to pick up my feet a little faster, and finished at something close to my average pace. And yes, I threw up antlers as I crossed the finish line.

Results

GoalDescriptionCompleted?
A3:25:00Yes
B3:33:35 (1 hour PR)Yes
C3:45:00Yes

Post-race

As soon as I hit the finishing chute, I got my medal (I missed the second medal I should have received for the challenge mode finish, whoops), started gulping down water, Gatorade, said a tearful hello to my family, and tried to shuffle along to find somewhere to sit. There were a lot of HM finishers clogging up the chute, but eventually I found someplace to sit and started working on feeling better. My leg cramped again briefly when I sat, but as I continued pounding down fluids and electrolytes it let back up.

While I missed my mid-race 3:20 goal, I hit every other goal that I wanted, I finished and was very happy about my performance. Compared to seven years ago, this was an enormous success, I feel super strong, and the marathon distance doesn't scare me anymore.

Strava Link

What's Next?

I'm going to take this week as easy as possible, as my town's inaugural half marathon is on Saturday. While I'd certainly love to throw down a competitive time and try for a sub-90, I don't think that's in the cards. I was hoping to pace a runner friend of mine to a ~1:40 finish and maybe help her snag first female, but she ran a tune-up half last week and got a 1:35, so I'm not sure if I'll be up for that. I'm then planning to run the Nutcracker 12-Hour Timed Ultra in a month with u/RunRoarDinosaur and potentially a bunch of folks from my local running club.

Once I knock those out, my goal is switch to easy miles through the rest of the year. I haven't decided what 2017 goals are going to be. But there will be goals, they'll be epic, and I'm going to have a LOT of fun in the process.

This report was generated using race reportr, a tool built by /u/BBQLays for making great looking and informative race reports.

Posted Nov 13, 2016, 9:49 PM UTC · edited

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CatzerzMcGeeFearless Leader•

So great to see your progress over this training cycle! I'm really glad you decided to shoot for a quicker goal than originally planned. The funny thing about training cycles is that you don't see the immediate benefit. So while yes you did improve a ton for this one, it's kind of like money in the bank for the future races you gear up for. That blue ARTC singlet must have some magic in it too!

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Thanks! Definitely wouldn't have been possible without this community, so I really appreciate everything you guys do to help keep it going. I'm so excited to go into next year with all this under my belt and see just how much more I can push.

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herumphLooks fast but isn't•

Saturday long runs are the devil. Great write up and congrats on the PR!

Thoughts about the Hanson plan? Will you be using it in the future? Why didn't you post the picture of you smiling going around a corner that you posted on insta?

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RunRoarDinosaurPRd but cried about it•

Saturday long runs are the devil.

You spelled "Sunday" wrong.

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herumphLooks fast but isn't•

U wanna fight m8?

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RunRoarDinosaurPRd but cried about it•

You've been talking to u/flasharcher too much.

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ForwardBoundpresident of SOTTC•

Translation: he's been talking to u/flasharcher at all.

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FlashArcherFlair edited by /u/spez•

AYY. Put some respek on my name guh

AR fight club coming soon like sales on Black Friday. Bars

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Good point - need to find all of the pictures. Still trying to collect them all from everyone. I think I'd like to try a Pfitz plan next time out, to be honest. Now that I know more of what I'm doing.

Added a few more pictures.

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herumphLooks fast but isn't•

I just had to remind you to include that. Such a cool picture.

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bigdutch10Boston 2017 Goal 2:50•

Saturday long runs for life. Congrats on the huge pb

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maineia•

I feel like Saturday/Sunday long runs might be the civil war of r/ar

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aewilliaCheering hard for ARTC at the Dallas Marathon•

Shorts over tights is far more divisive.

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maineia•

UGH you're right - but also is it even a contest everyone knows you shouldn't wear shorts over tights.

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catmoon•

I don't get it. Do Saturday long runners rest on Sundays?

I do long runs on Sundays so Monday is my rest day. If I did a Saturday long run then Sunday would be my rest day. Given how much busier I am on weekdays, I try to maximize the miles I run during the weekend.

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maineia•

Saturday long runs = stay in Friday nights (because of the workweek and exhaustion) wake up early get run over with, have the rest of the weekend to relax, drink and eat like crap without having to worry about my run. I usually run easy on sunday or cross train at the gym.

also it gives you the benefit of if Saturdays weather is shit, putting it off until sunday (which I never do) Saturday long runs = the best day.

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catmoon•

I'm still not converted. I usually run a medium distance on Saturday and long distance on Sunday. That means that 30-40% of my weekly mileage is during the weekend.

If I did it in reverse I would need to do a shorter distance on Sunday which means shifting 4 or 5 miles onto weekdays to maintain the same mileage. I'd probably end up just running 7 days a week in that case.

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ProudPatriot07#NARPing it up while injured ♀•

Great recap! Congratulations on your 8K win, followed by meeting your goals in your marathon. You had a really strong training cycle and did a great job... glad you feel confident in your marathoning abilities now and to me, that's a huge win. Plus an hour PR? That's not something many people can claim.

The moose pics were all great, and I'll admit that when I got in from my own cross training, I went on strava looking for your time ;).

Good luck with the Holly Springs race this weekend, no matter what you decide to do. It's really neat to run your town's inaugurral and maybe if the race keeps occuring, you can run them all and in 10 years be that guy who's run it every year, ya know? I've always wanted to do that with a race!

BTW, I'm really sorry my suggested route in Charleston made you doubt your marathon abilities when you were here on vacation.

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Hah, thanks! Repeating the hour PR is going to be really hard so I think I only get one of those :)

No problem about your route, it was all on me and just not being up for a long run that day. Any other weekend I'd have done much better.

And yea, the moose pictures were fun, I'm glad I remembered to duo that at the finish. My wife was reading the race report and went "throwing up antlers? I don't get it. Is this one of your internet friend things?"

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ProudPatriot07#NARPing it up while injured ♀•

I found a picture of you in the GSRC album too! Running with one of the pacers... I guess he was a GSRC person, I dunno. I recognized the ARTC singlet.

We will meet up for a run someday! I'm hoping to add some traveling races soon, once I'm all recovered from this knee shiz. NC isn't too far away either.

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RunRoarDinosaurPRd but cried about it•

Yeah yeah yeah, come hang with us! Mooooooose.

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Must have been the first mile if it was the 3:30 pacer, as that's the only time I ran with one. And yes, we're not far away and we're friendly!

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ProudPatriot07#NARPing it up while injured ♀•

Yep, that's who it was!

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Robichaux•

Awesome race man, great job finishing strong despite the cramps. Pretty solid two day performance for coming from 0 base miles. Next years going to be full of PRs.

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Thanks! I'm so excited to see what I can do next year.

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RunRoarDinosaurPRd but cried about it•

Dude, INCREDIBLE freaking performance!!!!! Talking to you during our run that day after your surprise-20, I could tell you were going to have a solid race. That is such a fantastic debut! And sooooo cute that the fam made it to so many different points.

Rest up, man, because we're gonna hit this 12H hard! Do you have a goal for it yet, or waiting to come down off your OBX high?

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Thanks! I'd like to hit 50, but haven't given much thought past that. I was waiting to see how well I did today before really committing to anything in particular.

Yea, having the family was great. I know it was a lot of stress and headache for them with the kids, but so great how supportive they are.

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RunRoarDinosaurPRd but cried about it•

Gotcha. It's looking like I'll be able to put in 7-8 hours at the 12H. I'm extremely bummed I won't be able to catch the end, but I'm hoping that because I'll be there for shorter, I can maybe pace you for a while or something (if you want, we can also just do our own thing) as long as I don't slow you down.

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

No worries! And I honestly haven't thought about race strategy, but I'm sure we can scheme up something fun in the next month.

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zargon_ap•

Wow, very impressive!

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Thanks!

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ForwardBoundpresident of SOTTC•

That's great news. Very commendable that you had the bravery to adjust your goal as you did, and very impressive that you were able to exceed it by so much. Sorry you had the cramp at the end--that sounds painful. You got through it, though. Any lingering discomfort after that last flare-up, or just the normal post-marathon soreness?

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Thanks! The biggest driver for changing the goals was AR. You guys kept believing in my performances and encouraging me to try for more, so I did. Glad it worked out.

The hamstring is still fairly sore, but not painful at least. I tried to do some light massage on it and it wasn't happy, so I left it alone. It honestly felt almost like bruising or just a muscle ache. I'm going to try a very easy recovery mile tomorrow and see how it does.

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ForwardBoundpresident of SOTTC•

I'm sure you'll be smart about it. You've certainly earned some time off.

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OGFireNationMiles on this godforsaken cinder track: 763.5•

Awesome job! I'm glad it went so well for you!

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banstew•

Congrats! I've been looking forward to reading this report and you did not disappoint. That's a pretty monster PR!

I simultaneously laughed out loud and cringed when I read that you cold sprinted 5ks when you started out.

Have you thought about shooting for a sub 1:30 half next year? That's what I did when I was in just about the same place that you are now and it was when training really started to click for me

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

That is definitely my goal for next year, ideally even sub 85 if I can. I think that's my last marathon until I can go sub 3, but I want to focus on getting fast at everything from 5 k to 13.1. I had a great time, the training paid off, but I'm not going to just run a ton of marathons for the hell of it.

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banstew•

Good deal. I looked at your community interview and your 10k PR looks super soft too

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maineia•

i almost couldn't even finish your report because I wanted to rush down and give you upvotes for Saturday long runs. seriously people, Saturday long runs are where it's at.

you look SO HAPPY in these race pics! and you ran a great race! and now I want to run the 12 hour race with you and u/runroardinosaur. is it too late? (no ultra training) * edit ugh it's on a day that I already have plans boooo

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RunRoarDinosaurPRd but cried about it•

Boooooooooooo :( I wish you could come run it! Are you sure you have to keep those Dec 10th plans? Whomp.

As an aside, you are totally ready for an ultra! If you're trained up for a marathon, you should be able to do a 50k easy peasy... assuming you don't approach it with the same strategy and you take it a little slower :) Timed races are a cool introduction to ultras - you have a lot of flexibility, there's no pressure to hit a certain distance other than whatever goal you set for yourself so there's not as much risk, you can take a break for as long as you want and then go back out, or just decide to keep moving but walk slower. Alternatively, you can approach it as you would a distance race and have a more structured plan and distance goal!

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maineia•

lol ugh - yes, it's wedding related (the plans) and then an open bar work holiday party (which will be needed after the wedding related shit earlier in the day).

I definitely want to start my ultra experience with a timed race and one like you all did where it's just sort of a repetitive loop. if I hadn't BQ'd it would definitely be on the schedule for next year - but I think now I will put off my first ultra until summer/fall of 2018. next year I think I have to work on getting faster and making my half PR a little more respectable in comparison to my full PR. (hint: full marathon half split is 3 min off my half pr).

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

Thanks! That's the one thing everyone is saying - how happy I look. It felt in a lot of ways like the marathon was a victory lap at the end of the training cycle. It wasn't easy, but I never felt like I couldn't do it. I felt prepared and has a great day and that definitely seems to have shone through.

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maineia•

that's an awesome feeling - I went through that this training cycle too (well, until about 48 hours before my race where all of a sudden I was convinced I couldn't do it). The strong mental game is a huuuuuge advantage.

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brwalkerncPfitz 18/80 W1•

I discovered AR

The downfall of all hobbyjogger. You can't help but learn some stuff and try to get faster after talking with the people here.

including u/brwalkernc in particular, kept pressuring me to increase my goal time even further.

I'm glad it worked. I have a feeling I'm going to be hearing this from you as well come next spring.

my left hamstring started to cramp - bad. Mid-stride

This was my calves for my first marathon. I had to ride that line of not pushing too hard or I would have locked up.

Way to get it done, man!! Really well run race!

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WinterspiteOPbig shot in a small town race•

I know right? You only have yourself to blame for turning me into a Real Runner (TM). I'm definitely going to be watching your training in the spring, it was great to see the 5k training in action.

All told, this was a great race. So happy with how it all went, thanks again!

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brwalkerncPfitz 18/80 W1•

Since the race went really well, I will take all the credit!

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