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EntropyAnimals

Final Post

This won't seem collapse related, but it is becuase it pertains to memetic evolution, but I'm not going into the details. If you can't "see the machine" then no amount of words will break your illusions.

Our species can not give up religion. That means that we will always be generating enough existential risk, given the lack of people willing to dissect the implications of the human mind, that the probably of extinction will rapidly approach 100% on deeper time scales (of course never getting there by this mechanism alone).

This species will try to pull a few nonbelievers out of the woodwork now and again to try to save its ass - and it probably will a time or two again while causing nothing but more suffering and mess in the long run.

The Universe will be giving you what you deserve, apes. I promise.

Posted Nov 28, 2016, 4:41 AM UTC

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Kryten_2X4B_523P•

Just a friendly reminder to keep a real close eye on your mental health, folks.

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whatabear•

r/SuicideWatch

Hopefully, I am overreacting.

(1) Human beings do not reason themselves into suicide. If it seems like a reasonable thing (aside from special circumstances), it is automatically a sign that something is broken. Reasoning is a post factum generalization.

(2) Three is nothing special about religion. Human beings have all kinds of irrational beliefs, religious beliefs are just one kind. Harmful behavior is not caused by religion. Religion is only the context.

(3) Just because the universe turns out different than what we want it to be is no reason to throw a temper tantrum.

We are homo sapiens, just another animal doing our animal thing. Just because there exists a fantasy of what we should be and our actual experience diverges from it, does not mean that this is somehow a tragedy.

Once you recognize that human existence is mostly pain and struggle and stop trying to run away from it, you get a chance to see the beauty and wonder. The universe is amazing. We are the universe understanding itself. There is pain, but this is what we are built for and we can handle it.

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TheSelfGoverned•

All animal populations have gone through population explosions and collapses. Ours is just far more special and complex due to technology and our mastery of natural resources.

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impactsilence•

Also more deadly and maybe more final.

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ReverseEngineer77r/globalcollapse•

Religion is tangential. Resource Depletion and Population Overshoot are the fundamental problems.

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diversity_is_racism•

Resource Depletion and Population Overshoot are the fundamental problems.

I agree. Otherwise known as: overpopulation and Idiocracy.

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impactsilence•

Both based on deep psychospiritual roots.

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diversity_is_racism•

Lack of reverence for life, and lack of belief in self.

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MakeTotalDestr0iGo to r/MakeTotalDestr0i for Collapse Science•

i hope this isn't a final post because you are killing yourself!?!

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whatabear•

Looks like he is just letting go of this account.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/5dxc40/the_complete_triumph_of_capital_over_labor_there/da9wxpg/

Fuck. I have enough suicidal people irl.

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[deleted]•

I left for a while. Posting and dwelling on collapse can really mess w your head. Leaving doesn't mean you're suicidal.

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whatabear•

Yeah, it became obvious when I checked your history. Like I said, suicidal people irl. I guess this is what "triggered" means.

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[deleted]•

Hobbies help to zone out, I suggest getting a nice TV and computer and zoning out if it all seems to be too much. Video games are a great way to feel numb.

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flusterer•

Take care, I just hope that the changes that you are starting are for the better. If you ever want to come back, be welcome here, your contributions here are very much appreciated. In the end everybody dies, it is the way we live what matters.

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impactsilence•

Hard stuff.

Feels good to know that you also think religion is one of the main issues we face.

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SchrodingerDevil•

It's a shame because I know that guy, and he knows how beautiful the world could have been. I say more power to him. People like me probably wouldn't survive long in the Universe. He would.

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haydukehuxley•

While I think we disagree about certain first principles, you've always been one of the more stimulating and thoughtful voices here. I hope we'll still hear from you in one iteration or another. Be well.

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factczech•

Realising this is your final post took me by surprise, I consider some of your comments as the most insightful I´ve ever read. I also enjoyed the reverse psychology behind them: " I throw out the worst views possible (well, I haven't yet) because I want people to say "no"

How about throwing the worst view out before you retire the account and reincarnate in a more lighthearted way?

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DrStrangeluck•

Look up the evolutionary whimper in the existential risks lists by Nick Bostrom.

It's a redpill the size of a watermelon. The ultimate truth about life.

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SetTheWorldAfire•

That machine, its a monkey trap!

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factczech•

Before you go, could you make a summary of your views? I find your comments very helpful.

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DwarvenPirate•

You are so absolutely wrong. Religion is the great civilizing agent.

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impactsilence•

So is violence.

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ShlammiCollapse is coming•

What does religion have to do with overshoot and resource depletion? Pagan peoples just as much as Abrahamic religions depleted their resources. It doesn't matter which.

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fabforce5•

Religious people maintain societies that last thousands of years. Rationalists can seem to manage a century.

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endtimesranter•

They also destroy them. Like Spanish catholic conquistadors and euro protestant "pilgrims". Pilgrims my ass. Real pilgrims just stay for a few days and then go back home. Christians are the worst. Fucking scum.

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DwarvenPirate•

Spanish conquistadors were all about the greed, not the christianity. Much like today's conquistadors, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Rothschilds, etc.

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impactsilence•

I actually agree - religion co-opted a lot of useful social structures. Alain deBotton has a talk about it (as well as corporations). Some of the stuff religions do is good, but they pervert it.

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lickwid•

I have always had this semi optimistic thought that religions have organised themselves out of originally rational, and well thoughtout motives. Something akin to a constitution becoming a religious doctrine, or even a book of local council laws, and by laws.

The lack of context for the origin of the rules has lead to perverse biblical like theories about their origin or something.

Also I think Alain de bottom is pretty great. So is the more toned down version he collaborates on, school of life.

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impactsilence•

I think thats a pretty wildly optimistic vision, but maybe its true, who knows:)

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lickwid•

I think it's quite disappointing that this view is considered a widely optimistic outlook! That was my point of posting it. Not that I assume that is the future. Without collapse of industrialised nations, it's probably the case though.

Less for most, most for a handful!

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