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r/CapitalismVSocialism•
LowReady

Someone recently attempted to openly bribe mods to ban me for $700. I'll delete my account for $500

In the true spirit of capitalism, I'd like to publicly offer to undercut this silly offer the bribe mods so that I can profit.

I guess we'll see how serious socialists are about their attempts to uphold their deals and participate in the market or if it's just the usual empty virtue signaling hoping that their fellow-socialists will remain dishonest enough to support any blatant lie as long as it's showing meaningless rhetorical support for your cult.

Posted Dec 11, 2016, 11:41 PM UTC

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Lorck16Liberal | Anti-Communist•

Then the mods can undercut you, and then you undercut them, and etc, so you get banned for almost free, and the profit would be small.

That is what Marx predicted to Capitalism: a run to the bottom which would implode in itself.

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

A race to the bottom where the consumer reaps the rewards!

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Bluedude588Skeptical Socialist•

It's not like the consumer is racing to the bottom of wages as well!

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

What does it matter when everything is cheap as shit?

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Goods and services most definitely get cheaper faster than wages go down, which doesn't even actually happen.

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Lorck16Liberal | Anti-Communist•

That is the history of Capitalism, in a nutshell. :)

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

Well, unless you throw in inflation...

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a_full_emptyAnarchist Cat•

Or our education system. Or healthcare, or prison, or food industry, or infrastructure, or

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

Untrue, it would reach some non-zero equilibrium price lower than which the mods won't be willing to kick up a shitstorm over.

Also, if there is no such a price and it does tend to zero, all you've proven is that setting up a new reddit account does in fact take a few seconds :P

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KhabaLoxDisagrees with OP•

But if we dont ban LowReady he will starve.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Lol

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Lorck16Liberal | Anti-Communist•

Of course, that was a parody of Marx's (the other one, Karl) economics; of course it would fail to predict outcomes, Marxian economics always do that and therefore it is useless.

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TheWaterTempleSocialists are modern day flat earthers•

Obviously the mods won't do it for $700. OP could actually bid higher. The market provided a price, and it was too low. This would be a race to the top.

$500 was a low ball bid.

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Hhturamud pie manufacturer•

This would also create a market for being annoying enough that people want you banned, though.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Being annoying is it's own reward.

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OfficerbonerdunkerClassical Liberal•

This is a very stupid comment if you meant it seriously. If we consider the producers of account deletion to be LowReady and each mod, and we assume they won't collude, then we can model the market for account deletion as perfectly competitive-- there is no free exit/entry but oligopoly makes less sense here since there is only 1 unit of account deletion. So in such a market P=MR=MC, meaning equilibrium price would be equal to the cost of production. The cost of production is unknown here. LowReady's cost of production is n, the value he places on his account. Each mod's cost of production is c1, c2...cn, the value each mod places on the integrity of the subreddit. So the equilibrium price will be whichever is the smallest of n, c1, c2,..., cn. But this is only because there is one unit of this good in existence and there is not a large cost of production.

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Lorck16Liberal | Anti-Communist•

Of course I didn't mean it seriously, it was just a joke about the interpretation of an economical point of view.

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JOB124TYINGGuevaraist•

God dammit guys

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wingnut5kCentrist | Nihilist•

[Godspeed u/lowready] (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46064&stc=1)

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

God bless, u/LowReady.

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OGHugglesHamiltonian Nationalist•

Honestly, I don't know if being civil is worth it. I guess I should just shit post and earn me some franklins.

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

Tbh, it's not. The most I've done was convince an ancap to become a minarchist.

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samsonkeaneUtilitarian Anarcho-Capitalist•

I'm gonna guess he was a natural rights ancap

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a_full_emptyAnarchist Cat•

yup, subs that take a hands off approach to moderation only end up catering to the lowest common denominator. you can try to hold yourself to a higher standard but ultimately you're just pissing in the wind.

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OGHugglesHamiltonian Nationalist•

Such a prospect only further proves my political philosophy. Man is an unruly animal that cannot be left alone to cope with his vices, lest he destroys himself and his community. Social creatures are incompatible with anarchism of any kind.

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rwwman50Conservative•

^ He's got a point. Reddit/internet anonymity pretty accurately represents a world where nobody has any rules to follow or consequences for break what few there are. Mob rule wins the day every time.

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FeathersofaduckNational Socialist•

Moderating it more heavily doesn't really help. You'll end up like Neutral Politics where you gut out 90% of the ideas and end up with the 10% of autists who are willing to spend 30 minutes citing a post on Reddit, then upvote the post which has the most citations and never double checking to make sure that the poster didn't just cherry pick facts from obscure, unverified sources - which they basically always do.

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

Jolly well done.

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Sadist_LibertineClassic Liberal on the streets, Social Liberal in the sheets•

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w9PukG97oQ

#GOD SPEED LOWREADY

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QuietuusAnarchist•

Why is anyone going to give you $500 to delete your account and make a new one?

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

Because presumably the original offerer of the 700 understands that u/LowReady can make a new account regardless if he deletes his account himself or if the mods ban him, so original offerer accomplishes the same thing (nothing) for less.

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utspg1980•

Per reddit rules, if your account is banned from a sub and you use a 2nd account to access that sub, it is grounds for banning from the entire site by the admins.

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

Implying you can't get around an IP ban?

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utspg1980•

No. Just showing that there is a difference in "value" between him being banned and him deleting his own account.

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WakkkaFlakaFlame•

Implying they would IP ban you?

Pro tip: They won't. It's stupid to attempt to, as some blocks are all on the same IP. Banning an IP can sometimes take out an entire neighborhood or dorm floor

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the_calibre_cat•

lol yes, no one has done that.

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QuietuusAnarchist•

Except, if the mods committed to keeping LowReady banned they could at least remove identified alts as they saw fit, whereas if LowReady was paid the money they could just come right back as LowReady2, making it somewhat less valuable, even setting aside the fact that such an offer would obviously be made with a malicious intention against LowReady; why would someone willing to pay a solid lump of cash to mildly annoy someone want instead to give that someone a slightly smaller lump of cash to not annoy them?

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

That would be a continued effort on the mod's part and would drive up the price. Would the 'continued protection against LowReady clause' be worth it, or would bribing LowReady himself be cheaper? Who knows?

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Sadist_LibertineClassic Liberal on the streets, Social Liberal in the sheets•

That would be a continued effort on the mod's part and would drive up the price. Would the 'continued protection against LowReady clause' be worth it, or would bribing LowReady himself be cheaper? Who knows?

The fact we're having this conversation is hilarious

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

It's a gamble either way. I don't see much of a possibility that I could continue to make money from a junkie with hurt feelings so I'm not sure how much incentive there would be other than honor to uphold the deal. However I'd continue returning after a ban just to ensure a fool and his money were parted.

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QuietuusAnarchist•

That would be a continued effort on the mod's part and would drive up the price.

Moderators currently work on a hobbyist basis for no recompense, so I'm sure $700 could be reasonably expected to buy a fair amount of effort, and it would be much more certain of causing some annoyance to LowReady. Being given $500 for ~20 seconds work cannot really be said to be annoying in any sense.

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mattsahLeft Communist•

It's almost as if the more labor hours they have to put in the higher the value.

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Whiskeyjack1989Classical Liberal•

And thus, a new market was born!

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Anen-o-meCaptain of the Ship•

u/LowReady can make a new account regardless if he deletes his account himself or if the mods ban him

Coming back to a sub you're banned from with a new account, i.e. circumventing, is grounds for Reddit admins to site-wide ban your IP.

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

IP ban can also be cirumvented.

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Anen-o-meCaptain of the Ship•

Can be, but I'm fairly tech savvy and it would be too much bother for me personally.

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PardaleanAnarcho-Capitalist•

You're forcing my hand here. u/littlewhitetab, we'll do it for 300.

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gameguy8888To hell with looters.•

If they ban you, take the money and just make LowReady2 then come back here as if nothing happened, it'd be funny as hell.

You have my support and keep demolishing those damn commies.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

If he pays the mods 700 that will most assuredly happen requiring continued payments.

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

Plot Twist: LowReady is a mod's alt.

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

No, we shitpost from our regular accounts.

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Anen-o-meMODCaptain of the Ship•

The payee can make payment on condition that Lowready first ask to be banned by the mods, since we mods will ban anyone that asks to / volunteers to be banned:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/5ht8mb/someone_recently_attempted_to_openly_bribe_mods/db3ypu1/

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mckenny37Anarcho-Syndicalist•

As a collective we can just ignore him. You don't even have to involve money :)

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Don't be a cock block, I'm trying to make a sales pitch.

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

If you're making a pitch, you don't start out with the price. You have to kill the competition, demonstrate value, and build urgency first.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

It was an admittedly bad sales pitch under normal circumstances however this particular socialist specimine believes that his original $700 offer is really only costing him $100 because he made it off investment.... Given were dealing with such a atrocious understanding of economics, I took an unorthodox and more emotional approach by boldly stating my bottom line, assuming no rational deliberations are going to occur and knowing that dipshit is allegedly willing to irrationally blow money.

In my experience, following traditional sales tactics doesn't work well on people who don't even have a rudimentary understanding of their own personal finances.

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

So you recognized the buying signs and took a gamble. Good show.

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rwwman50Conservative•

Is that a variation of DENNIS?

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JobDestroyerCrypto-Anarchist•

Nope.

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mckenny37Anarcho-Syndicalist•

Don't be a cock block, I'm trying to make a sales pitch.

Ahh, the sweet sound of silence.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Stop trying to subvert reimbursement for my labor value units!

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OfficerbonerdunkerClassical Liberal•

I'll get him to delete his account for $450

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

This sounds exciting

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Sadist_LibertineClassic Liberal on the streets, Social Liberal in the sheets•

u/LowReady forgets that most Reds live on mummy and daddies pocket money for washing dishes and that $500 is the equivalent to mowing the lawn one hour every day for a month to the average red

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Anarcho_HumanistAnarcho-Communist, Intersectional Feminist, Environmentalist•

Yes, there has never been a leftist over the age of 18, brilliant dissection of the philosophy.

(Why do caps always do this, I don't have a problem with people disagreeing about socialism but I do have a problem where half someone's arguments revolve around pretending your opponents are just young and stupid. Back when I was a liberal/progressive conservatives would pull the "you get more conservative as you get older" which was annoying because I was older than most of them).

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QuietuusAnarchist•

Why do caps always do this

It's a thought-terminating cliche that helps them not have to engage with ideas they don't like intellectually. Finding counterexamples in both directions is of course a fairly trivial matter.

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MattcwuLibertarian Socialist•

I believe the quote is "anyone who is under 30 and not a liberal has no heart. Anyone who is over 30 and not conservative, has no brain" u/WinstonChurchhill

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Anarcho_HumanistAnarcho-Communist, Intersectional Feminist, Environmentalist•

Well Churchill said it so it must be 100% true 100% of the time.

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MattcwuLibertarian Socialist•

I agree, except for people who are exactly 30. Who knows what those lunatics think.

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Hhturamud pie manufacturer•

There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University made this comment: 'Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?'

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/135-quotes-falsely-attributed

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TheLateThagSimmonsMutualGeoSyndicalist•

I love it when Pro-Caps try to pull the "you're just a teenager jealous of people with jobs," routine.

Statistically on Reddit, there's a significant chance that I'm older and make more money than they do in a job that requires a much higher level of professional experience and skill.

Still every bit the anarchist I was when I was going to punk shows, rocking the Mohawk and yelling at my mom for wanting me to get better grades in secondary.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Um, what's your job again?

I want to make sure I have it right before I start laughing at all the professionalism and skill you credit yourself with.....

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PlannedCanadaUtilitarian•

Well, he did say "Statistically on reddit", so the bar is set quite low.

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Drunk_King_RobertMarxists for Markets•

It's the alt account of Bill Shorten

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

What's the conversion rate on Good Boy Points to USD?

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Sadist_LibertineClassic Liberal on the streets, Social Liberal in the sheets•

What's the conversion rate on Good Boy Points to USD?

I believe 10 pats on the head can be converted to 5c USD, but not sure. The exchange rate for it always shifts depending on whether they've done their homework or not

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Iunderstoodthisreference.jpg

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BlackBird_FreedomFriotist•

Hey ! That's not true for me, I get exploited by a standard capitalist company, like a grown up proletarian.

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AminrcraoftmNorth South East and West•

mummy and daddies pocket money for washing dishes

Lol, more like the company's money for washing dishes

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Unity4LibertyLibertarian Socialist•

Hmmm... not a red but a socialist and I'm making some pretty bank salary right now... maybe you have thoughts you fabricated in your head to make you feel comfortable about a world which has colorful nuance, but is much more palatable in black and white.

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rwwman50Conservative•

Depends on the neighborhood. Growing up I made $30+ per lawn. I charged $20 an acre. Most of my neighborhood was 1.5 acre plots, some 2 acre, and a few on the edge of my neighborhood were as large as 3 acres. None took more than a couple hours to mow+ weed whack and I was the richest kid around because I got to hit most people every 10-12 days (depending on weather and scheduling ) and some moneybags wanted it done every week.

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SomeAsshatOnTheWebsPolitically Confused Shitposter•

Ok fuck seriously political debate, I'm gonna start shitposting for dem sweet benjamins.

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chalbersmaLibertarian•

Just joined this subreddit, it's great!

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

I like to provide tangible examples of how capitalism and markets actually work although socialists consider this "trolling".

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LeftslideSocialisme ou Barbarie•

is this meme happening again

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chair0147The means of production belongs to me.•

Buy my silence.

Permenantly.

That sounds like suicide.

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Tuft64become a body without organs•

I've gotta say this certainly is keeping me entertained.

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Anen-o-meMODCaptain of the Ship•

But would you agree to have your account banned before deleting it, so that you cannot come back under an alt?

There is precedent for banning posters on this sub who volunteer to be banned.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Sure will.

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Anen-o-meCaptain of the Ship•

There it is folks, he'll agree to ask to be banned and delete his account. Everything you asked for. And I can guarantee you that if he asks to be banned he will be.

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LowReadyOPNeeds 15 Labor Vouchers for tendies•

Honestly if he paid me $500 on good faith that I'd follow through I'd expect you guys to ban me regardless of me following through. That seems way shittier than using violent language.

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chipsngravy1Libertarian•

jesus christ someone just ban this attention seeking asshat already

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Adam_MarxCURRENT YEAR|Reactionary Edgemaster|/u/LowReady lives matter•

You're a terrible libertarian.

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ghostof_IamBeepBeep2Communist•

libertarianism is all about not banning people on internet forums.

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QuietuusAnarchist•

You undersell libertarianisms many attractions. There's also child slavery and, more achievably, smoking in bars.

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SomeAsshatOnTheWebsPolitically Confused Shitposter•

>mfw my child labor and prostitution drug manufacturing plant gets a triple A rating by the better business bureau

Time to buy some recreational nukes.

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Sadist_LibertineClassic Liberal on the streets, Social Liberal in the sheets•

jesus christ someone just ban this attention seeking asshat already

Of course the Com wants to ban a noble soul like u/LowReady

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Anen-o-meCaptain of the Ship•

Use the RES ignore feature if he bugs you that much.

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BlackBird_FreedomFriotist•

His Kung Fu is stronger

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