The Nightbane mount has its own set of drop rules
us.battle.net/support/en/article/000065810Posted Jan 3, 2017, 5:02 AM UTC
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I like that it reduces carry runs cause you can't run it more than once per character and guarantee a mount
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When I read the loot requirements, I thought that might be the reason they went that route.
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While it might do that, it also risks people getting caught while not being careful.
WTS nightbane carry 890+ group we all have mount.
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It doesn't matter if you have the mount already, you contribute your +20% regardless as long as you aren't already locked to nightbane. It just means that you can only sell nightbane once per week per character. Source: I've been selling it twice a week on my two 880+ characters for the last 4 weeks. Carry has received mount without issue each time.
If you want to protect yourself against unscrupulous sellers, work out the details BEFORE the run in in-game chat channels. Blizzard logs EVERYTHING that goes in your chat, and will treat transactions such as "200k for a nightbane mount carry" as a binding agreement between players. This means if you pay them 200k only to have them take your money and ignore you, you'll be able to ticket a GM for glorious retribution. This works the other way too, if they carry you, you get the mount and refuse to pay, they can sic a GM on you to get their due. Keep in mind that most carry sellers are 100% above board and legit and have zero interest in scamming you. Just make sure to keep it all in the chat box and be very clear about who gets what for what! In-game chat is an insurance policy for everyone!
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Didn't Blizzard not so long ago make a statement making it clear they would no longer intervene in these cases? I know that what you're saying has been a policy of theirs in the past. I don't remember the details, but I'm sure this related to things like people ninja-ing mounts.
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Blizzard will not intervene in any other situation, because there is rarely enough evidence to act on. This is why you need to work your transaction out via in-game chat. Blizzard does not have your Skype/discord/mumble/ts voice logs and can prove nothing regarding them. What you're thinking of is the loot disputes of HFC pugs back in WoD. Blizzard could do nothing for a majority of those for a variety of reasons, but most were because shit was going down in out-of-game chat, so no proof besides he said she said finger pointing.
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Wtbuy! Are you on EU? :P
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No, US.
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Is 200k the going rate for a Nightbane carry?
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Depends on the realm, me and my friends have been selling it for 150k which we then split 4 ways
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That's roughly what my group gets for Nightbane. 50k per person for a ~45 minute run.
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200k is a good ballpark estimate right now.
If you're looking to buy, pm me and I'll give you my brag. My group can carry any US realm for the price of 4 WoW tokens.
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Yes, but the point is if you say something like that you might misslead someone into thinking that they're guarenteed the mount, have them pay and then not get it.
I know that it's easy to protect itself against, but some people playing this game is fucking stupid. I got a 3 day ban for scamming in early cata. Because someone took my answer "Yes, someone does have Vial recipe on this server" as a "I can and will make it for you, if you trade me your mats" and opened trade and gave me the mats.
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With something like nightbane, as a carry I would insist on paying after I received the mount simply because yes, it is very difficult to check the carrier's lockouts. I do my carries as such, 10% up-front for the nightbane kill, then the other 90% after they have the mount.
You should have seen the world markers I used on moose sale runs, but I still had about 30% of my customers get lost on the way in. "How do I get to the boss?" "Take the portal with the big red X over it." "Uhhhhhhhhhh I dunno what an X is." Any time we didn't have a warlock to summon customers straight to the boss room, someone got lost despite clearly marked and visible portals. Peeps be dumb.
For your 3 day ban, while I do think that maybe 3 days was a bit harsh, you deserved what you got. You should have known something was up even if you were innocent when he put 60k worth of crafting materials in the trade window.
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Not mentioned: you then taking those mats, then refusing to give them back.
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blizz should maybe make it more clear that you can't win mounts off bonus rolls. i ran a nightbane run but no mount dropped because this fire mage was locked to it. and he was raging that with 4 bonus rolls that week he still didnt get the mount.
so he's running it 4 times, getting angry every time about not getting a mount, and he's unknowingly making it so it's no longer a guaranteed drop for the rest of the group
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I thought you could only bonus roll once per week per boss.
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Nope
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You've never been able to win any mounts off of bonus rolls. I agree, they should be clearer, but it's not one of those things where "it used to work but now it doesn't."
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You can win the Sha of Anger and Galleon mounts from bonus rolls.
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Someone might be able to answer this for me, a week before my group and I killed nightbane for the first time I was lucky enough to get Midnights mount, and when we got our nightbane kill the emberwyrm dropped for me, so I traded it off to another party member as I figured we will be doing this again next week and the week after etc. Now my question is since its dropped for me but I dont have it, am i still elgible for it to drop
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You should be afaik. My guild tank gave away his mount the first week he did it. Last week he got the mount and was able to keep it as he was the last one in our normal group to get it.
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Yes, I've gotten the mount and passed it to someone else. Now I have the mount again.
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As long as you don't have it learned, it should drop for you.
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Still drops even if you have it learned. I got Midnight's Eternal Reins three times in three consecutive weeks.
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but that is midnight, the entire post is about how Nightbane has a special set of loot rules.
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Wish I could brag of those drop rates, jealous :(
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You can loot it even if you have the mount already in your collection, like all mount drops.
The healer of our group has looted the Emberwyrm three times in a row, I have looted Midnight twice.
Both of us could trade the reins around freely, like any other piece of loot.
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Yes, I did the exact same thing, gave the mount to a friend who was way more excited about getting the mount than I was, since I knew I'd get it eventually. He offered me 80k for it, cause he wanted it first out of our group. Had it drop for me again 3 weeks later.
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This is entirely intuitive
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Did not know this when I helped my guildies run it this week. I was already saved so I figured I was the only one that wouldn't have a chance to get the mount. Couldn't believe it when no one got the mount.
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I must be super lucky.
I've ran it 2-3 times per week since launch (I use all my coins there).
Not once have I seen the mount fail to drop.
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this mirrors what info Blizzard has provided on the mount's wowhead page
http://www.wowhead.com/item=142552/smoldering-ember-wyrm#comments
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Which I wasn't aware of until this evening, heh. I've never gone to wowhead for official blizz info, so I never thought to look into this. I'll have to keep an eye out for things like this in the future.
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This is the same rule set for raid drops on master looter. Each loot eligible player adds a 20% chance at a loot piece, in a way that 10man = 2 pieces, 30man = 6 pieces, 14man = 2 guarantees and 80% chance at a third. Of course, loot locked players do not count, and so a 10man might drop only one item if there were locked out players in the raid.
Personal Loot is slightly different, I think adding up to 25% per player but I'm not 100% sure
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FWIW system has been fucky recently. We had a group of 19 get 5 pieces off of a heroic EN boss two weeks back. Prior to this happening, I did not think that was possible.
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This is actually really helpful to those that haven't had time to run the dungeon/read notes on this that might plan on buying a run from trade/dungeon finder. Make sure you don't pay until you actually have a drop since carries most likely spam the dungeon weekly.
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How does it work if you have it to someone?
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The healer in my regular group didn't care about the mount that much and had it drop for him the first three times we did it (and he traded it away each time).
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ok cool
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can someone post info. wowhead and battlenet and blocked at work
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Nightbane Did Not Drop Mount
The Smoldering Ember Wyrm mount's drop chance is 20% multiplied by the number of players who are eligible for loot, including players who have already received the mount.
For example:
- Five players who aren't loot locked = 100% chance for the mount to drop
- Four players who aren't loot locked and have the mount, plus one player who isn't loot locked without the mount = 100% chance the player without the mount gets the drop
- Three players who aren't look locked, plus two players who are loot locked = 60% chance for the mount to drop
Note: The mount will only drop for a player if they haven't already received it.
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Anyone on Stormrage running groups for the mount? Am 880 so can pull my weight and know the run but don't seem to have much lucks with mount runs. Only have gold on Stormrage (US).
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I really really want a nightbane mount, I am on EU Alliance, what would be price for that? I am 868 fury warrior with good dps/bis legendary, so I am able to pull my weight, so it may not bea carry.
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my group on US-Area52 sells nightbane runs for 200k. I would imagine that on EU the price would be 300-400k since gold is valued 'less' on EU realms.
If you think that you can pull your own weight and not be a carry, set up your own group for it. If you are going to join a carry group and get a guaranteed mount, you are going to pay carry prices. Remember, you aren't just taking their time for the run, but you are also taking their lockout for the week. They can only do 1 guaranteed carry sale per week so they are going to get their gold for it.
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I've seen some groups sell it for 200-250k.
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...except that is incorrect. It's 'if you have the mount and it drops for you it rolls again until it lands on someone who doesn't have it'
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What it says is that if someone is saved, the chance for the mount to drop is reduced by 20% per saved player.
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Did Nightbane 6 times now. My whole group has the mount now (doing it every week with the same set of friends) and has the trinket or chest they wanted. I didn't get urn or the mount for 6 weeks with bonus rolls..
Legion hasn't been kind to me, have been running mythic+ dungeons for certain trinkets because they are bis, (still don't have them, memento for example) don't have any of them, or for example the arcano crystal also a no go for me.
Also been running +10 since I could and +12 since the keystone upgrade. Literally got 1 item from all of the caches that I could use from the weekly chest.
Plus only utility legendaries, am an arm's warrior and don't have the ring or hands. And I'm at 4 legendaries now. I'm really fucking salty about legion RNG right now.
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Everything you mention has a really low drop rate. Don't fall victim to gambler's fallacy, a 20% chance remains a 20% chance no matter how many times you run it.
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Did Nightbane 6 times now. My whole group has the mount now (doing it every week with the same set of friends)
Someone in your group is lootlocked when you run it, because it's a 100% chance to drop if nobody is lootlocked.
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Loot RNG always worked like that. I never got the Axe from Lord Marrowgar as Blood DK in Wrath despite farming it for over 6 months on Heroic (25man)
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I spent a year doing BWL only for my tier 2 gloves back in the day. RNG man. shrug. It felt bad but it also gave me a reason to show up to farm raid nights
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maybe you're only referring to the urn for bonus rolls, but fyi, mounts wont drop from coin rolls, only gear
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I hope they do this with other loot. Maybe we'll finally see and end to people spamming the group finder selling carries.
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I'll be over here on my paid for mount. Is it too early in the year to get "anti-carry tears" on a mug?
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Selling carries is one thing, searching for a Nightbane group in the group finder only for it to be literally full of "WTS NIGHTBANE RUN" spammed by 50 different groups is something else entirely.
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Its sorta known since week 1 since the loot is personal.
In retrospect it seems obvious and makes sense, but I can't recall blizz ever having done this with any other mount. I just wish they'd announced this somewhere in the patch notes or something.
It was a secret boss. The point was to not give out information.
It would be nice if they would add it to the dungeon journal once you've killed it. Even if it's just the loot and not the spell info, although I'd like that too.
Indeed.
I love secret bosses and hard to find stuff, but its so annoying to not be able to find info about the boss anywhere but on wowhead.
We already knew the mount was in the game. People discovered it on the very first week it was out.
'We' doesn't NOT encompass the entire player base though, and AFAIR no one actually discovered how to summon the boss while it was on PTR (I could be wrong, but there was an absolutely massive thread when folks on live finally figured it out).
So no, not everyone knew the boss even existed.
So just because "we" knew something existed that means Blizz should just tell us all about it?