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Ev_antics

Has anyone ever reported concerns of a PAL/ RPAL applicant to the CFO?

Long story short, I know of someone who has taken their pal but has yet to submit their paperwork, that I have genuine concerns over. Their plan was to get their PAL and eventually their RPAL in the hopes of eventually getting a job in law enforcement (this too is of great concern).

He has recently completed his pal, but has yet to submit his paperwork to the CFO. He was arrested a few weeks ago on "mischief" because he had an episode where he blacked out and punched some holes in the walls of his fiance's parent's home. He was violent, and would not leave despite being told to do some many times. He does not remember it happening at all.

In short, the police where called and he was arrested. I do not know if he will be formally charged or not.

He apparently has sever episodes of violence where he becomes destructive and violent and blacks it all out. He is in the process of getting the mental help he needs, but I would be genuinely concerned if this guy had firearms in his possession.

I am hoping that an arrest for something violent would show up, but as I heard all the police did was take him to a drunk tank for a night because they thought he was drunk. So nothing formal may have been laid.

This has not been a unique situation, apparently there have been episodes previously - I have only just heard of those from his fiance who is a really good friend of mine. There is random destruction in the basement of their home that he has no explination for or any remembrance of doing.

I am wondering if this will all come up when they run a back ground check?

I have absolutly zero issue with calling the CFO and letting them know that I have some concerns about this particular applicant getting their license. He has of yet not applied for his PAL, if I were to call the CFO now and say I had concerns could they do anything, or do I have to wait until he actually applies?

It may seem like a bit of an over reaction, but I would rather report it and let the CFO have all the information when they process his application. Being destructive, violent, and having episodes of black outs does not seem a good mix to through firearms into.

TL DR: some I know applying has a history of destruction, violence, and blacking out. Have genuine concerns I'd like to share with the CFO

Posted Jun 7, 2017, 4:26 PM UTC

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Krazee9on•

The RCMP has a hotline for reporting these things. 1-800-731-4000 and it should be the first option in the menu.

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Ev_anticsOPCentral Onterrible•

Can I call even though he has not submitted his application? I'm assuming they can just flag him

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Krazee9on•

If you're this concerned and aren't sure, then try. It's not like they're going to give you shit for trying.

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dawdawditdawdawal•

ABSOFUCKINGLUTLY i'd be really disappointed if you did not, that sort of behavior is down right scary for someone who could have access to a gun willy nilly. Could you imagine the guilt you would feel if this guy killed someone!

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Ev_anticsOPCentral Onterrible•

i'm calling in today, ill call in again if he submits his paperwork... and ill call again and again if they ever give him his license.

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SoylentDrummer•

Good to hear. Violent people shouldn't have access to firearms.

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DarkMarcy:D•

I'm more concerned that someone in this day and age is using the term "willy nilly".

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FlashingDiode•

Just call then and tell them. All they'll need is his name and have it falgged

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ezSpankOven•

Call in with what you've posted here, plus his info. This way his application will be flagged for review after he puts a no in the mental health part of his application.

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mrcpu•

I agree. Call the number and have a chat with them. Be prepared to provide as many descriptors as possible, name, age/dob, address etc. If you can get his license plate number from his car they might be able to run that and it would provide everything they need. A flag will go in the computer so that when he applies they will already know the concerns.

Keep in mind that even if he is not charged, being arrested means he is booked and a police record now exists for him so in theory he won't slip through the cracks.

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Krazee9on•

TBH though the fact that non-charge police interactions still show up on background checks is bullshit and has led to people who have done nothing wrong being denied jobs simply because there's a record of interaction with law enforcement that is never expunged.

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coward99•

Yea, I know someone who had a false domestic charge against him. He tried to volunteer with his kids scout troop and they denied it because it came up on a VSS. Later he was terrified of not getting a job he applied for because of it.

FWIW They've strengthened the law in the favour of people falsely accused. https://news.ontario.ca/mcscs/en/2015/12/ontario-passes-police-record-checks-legislation.html

I would hope the RCMP are not prevented from seeing any and all police records when processing a license though.

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mrcpu•

I want to say "Good Job" to the OP for wanting to deal with this. It does NONE of us any good if someone who is dangerous slips through the cracks, gets a firearm and then harms someone else. While it's wrong to blame all muslims or all blacks for the bad things that 1 or 2 might do, it seems it's perfectly acceptable to blame 2 million Canadians when ONE PAL holder does something wrong and hurts someone.

I believe that a PAL is kind of like a sacred trust. We need to protect that.

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Ev_anticsOPCentral Onterrible•

i'd feel far worse if something happens and I did nothing to try and stop it from happening. I'm not saying he will go and do anything, but I'd rather do something than nothing.

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muzzz🇬🇧•

Two things if you're genuinely concerned:

  • Contact the RCMP CFP as others have mentioned

  • Ask if any victims would press charges and push for a weapons prohibition order. This may be a bit costly and more involved, but if the concern is there and he's genuinely caused harm this isn't out of the question entirely. Him having one of these on file should be enough to raise a red flag he tries to hold for a PAL, until the order is reassessed and potentially lifted (following rehabilitiation, treatment or otherwise)

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Ev_anticsOPCentral Onterrible•

thanks for the info about the "weapons prohibition order" sadly it's his fiance and her family that would be the ones that would have to press for it, and sadly, I don't think they're at that point yet, but I will bring it up to them.

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muzzz🇬🇧•

It's a difficult and delicate situation for sure, and I can't make any hard and fast conclusions based on what you've posted - but the option is there at the end of the day.

Good on you for taking the initiative to report this behaviour too. This is exactly what any safe and responsible law-abiding firearms owner should be on top of.

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flatspottingbc•

She's gonna be dead by the time they're married if your story is true. She should GTFO. Someone who has blackout violent tendencies needs mental health help from a professional, not to be getting married.

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Ev_anticsOPCentral Onterrible•

that's a worry too, but she has some inate need to want to fix things and people... all her ex's have something, not "wrong" with them but are "broken" in some sense.

But as she tells it he's seeing a social worker and a psychiatrists and blah blah blah... I know a few stories of people who turned out to be violent after marriage that hod zero warning signs that they would turn out to be violent or abusive... this is kind of written on the wall.

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alfonzo1955onterrible•

Uhhh, you got any more info on these AKs? Asking for a friend...

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stevo911_bc•

These weren't the dummies in Sooke who posted a video of them shooting up a couch with AK's or something like that was it? Or are there a lot of idiots with automatic firearms posting facebook videos of them playing with them?

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flatspottingbc•

For the love of God, PLEASE PHONE THE RCMP ABOUT THIS.

Phone them now, phone them again after he submit the paperwork. They take this shit very seriously.

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alfonzo1955onterrible•

Regardless of whether charges were laid, the CFO will see it in their screening as long as there is an arrest record. (Source: I had to be interviewed before I got my PAL because of an arrest record)

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propyro85Token gun loving liberal•

I'm glad to hear that the guy is at least getting help for his problem, but it sounds like he's way too unstable right now. Maybe if he can get his shit sorted out in the future, awesome, but right now I'd say call it in.

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ACrusaderA•

I haven't, but then again the only people I know who have guns are all people who are responsible.

But wait until he does the paperwork. If he does get his PAL then file a complaint, don't be an Alan Smithee

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benjitsu13•

Thanks for posting this OP, and you absolutely aren't over reacting. I am happy for the discussion these topics bring up but 90% of these types of questions are sorted out by making phone calls, not posting on the web. TL:DR If you have any doubt or question about licensing or public safety use google fu and get on the phone!

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CruelHandLuke7IPSC•

Yeah, pick up the phone. This is not the kind of nut we need to have a gun. You could be preventing a real tragedy by flagging this individual. You could also ask to be a reference for him to make sure that you relay the information to a decision maker.

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UncleGrgaWEST COAST BEST COAST•

haha yeah you'll wanna report him.

also anybody who starts collecting guns with plans of entering law enforcement is usually going to get denied for being a psycho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3W0AnCAZsg

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