Now that we have several new, strong, characters what units or compositions are giving you trouble in Tier 20 arena?
My biggest trouble is still bad maps. After that it is dancers that I miscalculate leaving me open for a one round kill from a +10 merged nuker.
Posted Sep 8, 2017, 3:04 PM UTC
Brave Lyn, full stop. What was designed to destroy horse teams wound up being the new star of horse teams. Even worse if it's against a dancer or Draw Back user as well because you can never bait her out then.
If by "designed to destroy horse teams" you're referring to Mulagir's anti-buff effect...kinda seems more like she was designed to destroy flier teams, as it has the same effect on SumCorrin & SpringCam plus effortlessly one-shotting them due to weapon effectiveness.
By Horse Emblem they might be talking about Xander and Camus
Oh, you mean Sacae's Blessing? Eh, I don't think those two were as relevant as Ryoma, but I guess that's a factor.
I had to give my Raudrblade Leo Bowbreaker and QP to dispense with her, safely. Thankfully his B skill was otherwise superfluous. She's still a real pain to deal with for many of my arena assault teams, but at least I can use items in that mode.
Honestly, as much as I like using Brave Lyn, I feel like IS kinda went overboard with her. We probably could've done without another Reinhardt-tier meta-defining unit.
I have been running Rein + winged Dancer + Ryoma + bonus for a long time. Using Brave Lyn this week as the bonus just made it even better to the point where I don't know if I need Ryoma any longer. I gave hone cavalry to both Rein and bLyn so the two of them just destroy most things I face.
Same. I had to re-work my 4star+10 Cecilla to be a Lyn-counter. Gronnraven, TA2, browbreaker 3..with buffs, can bait+tank+kill BLyn and Rein in one turn. But this forces me to use Horse Emblem which lowers my BST.
Brave Lyn, Reinhardt, and a Dancer on the terrible boat map. Kill me now.
Nothing.
Only problem is Arena assault. It is hard to have 7 answers to Bow-Lyn + Dancer + Reinhardt + X
I don't even bother with Arena Assault, it just isn't fun for me.
What are you running in arena then if you don't mind?
At the Moment? Merged Reinhardt, Olivia with Ruby Sword+, Hector + X (at the moment X is b-Ike).
Reinhardt + Olivia does a lot of work for me. Greens get countered by Olivia with Ruby Sword. Stuff like Kagero, Reinhardt, b-Cordelia gets killed by Hector.
Against stuff like Horse Emblem I need the first attack + dance. There is no way to tank a Brave Tome +30 Nuke without B-Ike.
Same here. I've invested almost all my feathers and pulls for my arena core. So staying in Tier 20 is trivial. But I barely have anything outside of them so higher rated Arena Assaults are a pain--I just settle for a lower score by fighting weaker teams. One day I'll grow my roster.
Its funny, but i've done the exact opposite, i have a huge roster of 5 stars, but literally 0 merges (besides 4star +7 olivia and Cecilia) i can usually get 4840 on arena assault which ends up being better than my normal arena score
That's interesting cause I rarely get more than one or two Rein and Lyns.
The fact that I can't get past T18
The feels. TBH, T18 is actually fun arena. T20 for me now is like a checklist of dumb things you need to look out for. Drag back? WoM? The other escape route one? Is bLyn running firesweep? Does that delthea have wind/watersweep? Is that Olwen merged enough that her +30 blade tome buff will bust through my +res fae? Is she running CC vantage?
Losing feels more like "Oh I fucked up" than "oh, well played, good sir/lady"
[deleted]
The trickiest matchups in my experience are 4 ranged horse unit teams, although that's more of an issue in arena assault as usual.
What screws me up the most is mispredicting the AI with maps with breakable walls, and with rally skills on ranged units + dancers. For instance, I lost a good AA run once to Bridelia running in front of Azura to buff her at the start of the turn (Azura was the only melee unit left, no one was in range of any unit at turn start). You can play extra-safe, but then you can find yourself cornered easily.
Dancers. I groan audibly whenever I see an Olivia, Ninian, or Azura
Dancers, Horseblem on tiny maps(like that bridge map) and high merges throwing off my expectations.
Any of these make my life harder, and more often than not I end up facing a combination of these.
Brave Lyn - but the actual unit isn't giving me trouble at all, it's the Calvary behind her. I'm seriously considering about upgrading to Fae with Lighting Breath and Q.Reposte so I can attack back and kill her then continue forward. Boey or Merric may not be bad either
Oh and facing Armor Emblem can get boring
Bow Lyn and Brave Ike are strong counters against my best units.
Yep, also my problem. They singlehandedly destroyed the way i play arena...
it's funny I didn't run into a single brave Lyn in my arena streak for the week
so uh idk, supports also made Nino surviving Reinhardt guaranteed so that's not a worry now either
Brave Lyn and one other horse.
If it's just her, she's pretty easy to bait and kill with Ike. But holy crap if there's one more and that godforsaken lava map, then I have a problem.
I finally got a deathless streak of 4884 (my new highest score, thank B!Ike!) or so, and I'm ranked 3300ish. I don't think I'm gonna make it since the cutoff is 3700ish.
Firesweep users in general. Mostly it's just B!Cordelia users, but I had gone up against both FS Peri and Brave Lyn at the same time.
I won the match, but only Fae survived.
Brave Lyn, sometimes Reinhardt+Brave Lyn+Dancer. If I bait one, the other gets danced into me. The boat map sucks with multiple horses because they'll group together due to destroying blocks. The map where there's two bridges (top and bottom) and defense tiles in the center sometimes sucks because the units start left-right rather than top-bottom...and the game map is 6 squares wide with horses having 5 reach; sometimes there's no time/space to separate buffers or escape from dancers.
Currently I've been using my own Brave Lyn to stop opposing Brave Lyn, so no issues this/next arena season...but after that, I have to run a Raventome Celica to score high enough to stay in T20 while stopping +10 buffed Brave Lyn (and B!Ike). I'm gonna miss Ragnarok.
Only thing that would give me trouble for my team would be young and adult Tiki. Just that they are so rare to see, I rarely don't run into trouble staying in T20 for months.
Hah! I'm right in the middle of buiiding up my Y!Tiki now. Still unsure about her viability in my arena team though
Well there some really good ones that just stomp me. Then again, I run mainly physical dmg team. But yeah, more of a me problem than anything.
Getting to it I'd say...
Honestly nothing anymore once I got high enough points to stop seeing horse emblem teams. Before that Reinhardt was my main problem since I didn't run any greens to bait him.
What is high enough to not see them? I'm around 704-710 in opponents and I still see them fully merged at +10s.
I'm around ~710 on average. I still see them sometimes but not nearly as much as I used to when I was averaging ~700 points. Maybe I just got lucky for the past 2 weeks. I'm talking about full horse teams here, if its just 1 or 2 horse units mixed with others I usually don't have any problems since you can split them up easily.
Strange, I still see a full horse team a couple times every arena. As long as there's no dancer though I usually don't have a problem (knock on wood). Though Reinhardt on some maps alone is just a problem.
Beorc's blessing makes Brave Ike a pain to my horse team (Leo doesn't one-round on enemy phase because of Urvan). Otherwise it's dancers that annoy me. There's also the big middle bridge map of this week that always gives me trouble.
Innes not having enough SPD to double Mages. I just got B! Lucina so I think I got the problem solved. But fuck Cecilia, even with CA he does no DMG
horse emblem
My own BST. I can easily go deathless against 690-694 teams, but that still only gives me an average of 4840-4850 points, which isn't enough to stay there.
SAAAAAAAAME. The T20-T19 ping pong is REAL
Yes, that's my main problem as well. Sometimes I get lucky and get matched up against 696-700 teams, but I'd have to waste a lot of crests if I wanted to roll for those. That's why I'm starting to merge units I use a lot and upgrading QR2 to QR3 so I get those last few points I need. Managed to get a 4866 score this week, but it seems like that's not even close to good enough.
Hey me too, i did get a single 696 in my last run, the rest was just 686-690 which really brings down my score, i could try higher bst teams but i'd just start losing because my highest BST units don't work well together and it still doesn't guarantee 700s
I got a score higher than 4830 for the first time this week. 4863. I got kicked out of the top 3,785 so I used about 30 crests(had to restart a couple times) and only took matches that were 694 or higher. One was even 700. New high score is 4870 and I'm only barely in at 3,740.
That's strange, I'm at 1311, with the score of 4864.
Are you already in T20 perhaps?
Yeah, it's a lot easier to get in than to stay in.
Agreed I'm getting in the 690 area, but I can't seem to push past that.
Ditto here. The fights are (mostly) easy but I consider myself lucky if I can get 690+ in a single match. Nowhere near enough to stay in T20.
I was going to agree with you. But my situation is a bit different as it turns out.
Bringing out more BST is not hard, but doing deathless run in 700+ range is very frigging hard.
I am thankful for Brave banner, as it allowed me to finally bid farewell to horse emblem teams altogether. At 692-698 I rarely see any horses scrap for alone Reinhardt that is +7-10.
I have to lower my team score using a dancer so that I can have a deathless streak. Without a dancer, I start getting pinned against Nightmarish units. I would never want to fight against CC+Vantage Linde ever again.