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[Discussion] How to make Zana more casual friendly & fun.

Discussion

After finally reaching Zana 8 and noticing how immensely more fun this game becomes, I tried to think of a potential solution to make the tedious grind to Zana 8 less required to actually have (more) fun in PoE.

It is true that breach is quite rewarding and should be gated behind a high chaos price and some grinding, I think the real problem is, that most of the previous levels are mostly not worth it.

Nemesis is mostly used for chancing/gambling for headhunter, Perandus is mostly break even unless you hit the big ticket Cadibro deal and the rest is just used in the beginning of the league or for niche cases.

What I'm proposing is actually not far off to the current system, it would just make it less predictable and thus more fun.

I'd suggest the following Zana tiers (just an example, the specific leagues could of course be changed):

  1. Same as right now, +%quant.

  2. 1 random league mod on map

  3. Bloodlines mod + 1 random league mod

  4. 2 random league mods on map

  5. Beyond mod + 1 random league mod

  6. Nemesis mod + 1 random league mod

  7. 3 random league mods

  8. Breach mod + 1 random league mod

Of course the specific numbers and prices need to be chosen carefully. I just think having access to two random league mods early on in the league or three later on with some work and Zana 7 would be more fun than the current system, because you can still hit breach mod or some crazy combination. Also it will make league specific uniques more acquirable (e.g. Brutus lead sprinkler).

Would this be too strong? I think not, considering in legacy league you could chose three mods you wanted AND stack zana mod on top of it.

I'm looking forward to any feedback!

Posted Oct 4, 2017, 8:30 AM UTC

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TaurineIsMagicWTB fat summoner•

With all due respect, fuck you for gating breach behind Zana 8.

What GGG should have done this league and what they should do in the future is to gate Headhunter behind Zana 8 (e.g. Nemesis) as HH is already an item for the few. Breaches could be for everyone, but someone at GGG decided to brainfart all over everyone who is just slightly casual and have breach be a Zana 8 mod.

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NoCookieForYouu•

breach is the most profitable mod of all.. you would never run nemesis over breach except you farm HH

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crookedparadigm•

That's the only reason people run Nemesis now anyways.

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One_ill_KevinJChieftain•

Yeah, I've gotten rich this league selling breach rings...

Kidding aside, I think the majority of casual and new players would love hte mechanic and never get to consistent BreachLord Kills or sustaining breaches long enough to kill unique breach mobs. You'd open the floodgates on a valuable league mechanic, I agree, but it may not produce a huge windfall given how Breaches work.

Just a thought. I'm still working through your point in my head.

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Toxic_and_EdgyPathfinder•

make Zana more casual friendly & fun

Don't need, working as intended.

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NoCookieForYouu•

intended.

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a2raelb•

Well I agree that getting zana 8 should be achieveable more easy without having to do rotations, but I am really against giving even more returns for free. I even think that GGG does have to nerf zana mods and sextants a lot.

zana mods and stuff like that were intended as currecy sink to ensure a healthy economy. High level players have to SPEND currency for more XP and map returns istead of accumulating more and more currency.

atm we dont have a currency sink anymore as breach mod combined with sextants generate much more than it does remove from the game...

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ixdeh•

there was a currency sink in crafting, but the new mods make crafting much harder and ES items, THE currency sink, are useless.

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OrganicOrgasm•

And uniques are bis too often

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ELQuark•

I don't think it will be too strong. I really would like to see a sytem like in legacy league, where you could do 3 different leagues in one, but it shouldn't involve any leaguestones. Maybe it could be limited somehow, for example for each map boss killed you are rewarded with one league pick, and a maximum of 3 different ones can be active at one time. So basically you can run a free league every map if you killed the previous boss. So boss killing gets more rewarding. Just an idea.

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thegagis•

I like this a lot. I also greatly enjoyed Legacy league, and this would be similar but more balanced.

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Itsocmarauder•

I like this, legacy bored me with those stones and their metallic sound of activation. Zana should handle multiple leagues per map

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crookedparadigm•

I always felt Zana should have access to all mods at level 4 and have them become more effective/expensive at higher Zana levels.

Level 8 Zana could have a +X levels to map mod that costs something like 4c per level. This should be usable on unique maps too (but probably not fragment sets). Ever wanted to run a level 90 Poorjoy? Now you can.

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One_ill_KevinJChieftain•

I'm one of the n00b cazuals who isn't going to get to Zana 8. I'm kinda bummed becase Breach is just a blast. I think you have a neat proposal that'd I'd enjoy seeing implementing solely for my selfish enjoyment of the Breach Mods.

I think that disappointment has more to do with Harbinger being an OK-but-not-great league mechanic than with FOMO of breaches. If the core league mechanic provides stimulation and good rewards, I think I wouldn't mind missing out on Breaches.

If future league mechanics and solid and ejoyable, I think I can stomach not seeing my sweet breaches, as much as it disappoints me in Harbinger.

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Darthy69•

My suggestion was zana 4 sells 1 breach for 4c zana 8 2 for 6c. Wouldnt be gated but youd still profit from getting her to 8

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The-Black-FishSlayer•

Zana 8 is very achievable for consistent PoE players (new and veteran). I think partying to level up your Zana is highly appropriate and it also gives a little insight into what other people are playing. I like that. Lots of Zerker and Pathfinder this league :^)

What would be cool, though, as the league dies down we get randomized Zana map mods or something. Resets every 24 hrs. Just break up the stale state of the league 2 months in. I don't know, turn on Breach + Beyond for a day and let us go ham. Next day, Warbands in every map. Just a thought....

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NoCookieForYouu•

how about not getting casual friendly .. if you want to play a casual game play D3?

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Mageofsin•

Constructive.

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firedancer13•

Or, how bout if you want a non casual game go play Grim Dawn?

POE is casual now whether you are ready to admit it or not

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NoCookieForYouu•

yeah, talent tree screams "casual" ..

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One_ill_KevinJChieftain•

Respectfully disagree. I want a big player base -- I started off as a casual player, and then I got to maps and the game has my soul.

I think showing off breaches to a new player would hook them big time. They're ridiculously fun.

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