Yeah, I recognize that what you're going for here isn't exactly a "true" haiku, if one could be said to even exist in the English language. Like I said, I'm not sure if this difference I noticed makes the haiku better or worse or merely different. This is as much a philosophical discussion on the nature of haiku as anything. And I think it's important that you keep exploring this version of haiku to see where it might lead. Either way, I have to respect the willingness to experiment. Thanks for the read. 

Thank you. I've been having a bit of a philosophical debate with myself about the nature and form of haikus.  

I know that I don't quite hit the mark for a true haiku, hence my little post scripts calling these pieces "sorta haikus" or "haiku-ish". I realize that I plug in the requirements (5-7-5, 17 syllables, nature) but don't fulfill the spirit of a haiku; but I think I'm ok with that..sometimes. 

Additionally I think I have, or am, suffering from research overload. I've spent a fair bit of time reading about haikus, reading haikus, reading Japanese versus English haikus, reading about the imperfect translation of Japanese morae to an English syllable, reading about kireji, etc. etc. 

I think I've read so much on the topic that I'm a bit paralyzed so I default to *"ppfft, whatever, artistic license"*. Lol, I admit its rather lazy. 

I'll keep working at it, I appreciate that you've taken an interest in my haiku spamming. 

I've been seeing your series of haiku, and watching it with interest. While I think you have a fairly good grasp on the form itself, there's something that keeps feeling a little *off* about the way you've been using it, and I hadn't figured out what it was until I saw this poem. But now that I see it, it seems obvious in hindsight. 

Let's examine first what this poem *is* doing. Because I'm not quite ready to call it a failed attempt. More like a slightly different take on the form.  

>Vines climb into bed      

This line introduces the subject of the poem: a collection of vines. What else do we know about these vines? Not much actually. Their physical description  isn't given. Instead, they're anthropomorphized as having the human trait of being able to "climb into bed". "Bed" here might be seen as a bit of a double entendre, since flowers are often planted in a "bed", and some vines do flower. But that's a bit of a stretch I think, and not usually how haikus ask their readers to 

Ya know I could have looked up what your title meant before I made my comment. That went over my head for sure.

> Do vines go on breathless conquests?

I was hoping to play off/play with the idea of conquering kudzu, conquering(wooing) a lover, and that sort of...take your breath away feeling when you're really into someone. 

No apologies necessary. I like the heart coiled around heart image, especially given the context of "vines". I'm not so sure about "breathless conquest," though. Do vines go on breathless conquests? I see what you're getting at but the middle line seemed off to me somehow. The first and last line, though, were really evocative images-- to me they were romantic without being cheesy.

haikus are hard!!! You've got two images, but the first reiterates what the title describes, wasting space, and then kind of a nothing statement in the middle. is the breathless conquest sex? why is there  kudzu in your bed? is the kudzu breathless? Because c02...so, I think it loses something some where. i'm left to ask so many questions. using your last line here's one comparing love with vines. 

Courting Her



Heart coiled against heart; 

pulsing vines pinning rotting   

beets to chest and sleeves

Vines climb into bed    
after a breathless conquest;    
heart coiled around heart.

[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/OCPoetry/comments/7blqi3/sites_of_my_legacy/dpjayfl/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/OCPoetry/comments/7bgtw4/from_the_bottom_of_a_mystics/dpjadud/)

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I apologize if this sorta-haiku is *too* cheesy, I'm uncomfortable with romantic themes. 

Kudzu.