Found on an article lamenting that health and fitness are only for the wealthy and privileged elite
Posted Jan 20, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC
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Ah yes, beans, noted empty carbs.
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Thats what got me the most. They're one of the best protein rich foods, I mean vegetarians don't constantly eat them for nothing
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And they're not a staple in so many different cultures and countries for no reason!
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These people are ridiculous.
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And whole-grain flour, the iron-less protein-less unhealthy carb source.
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Yeah wtf.
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I alway wonder how many of the people who comment about poverty and food deserts and the social injustice of it all are actually dealing with those obstacles, and how many of them are living comfortably in a lovely house in the suburbs with 3 different grocery stores within a 5 minute drive.
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I know right? "Some people live in food deserts and just plain don't have access to healthy food!" Well that doesn't give you an excuse, because otherwise you would have said "I live in a food desert and there's no healthy food near me!"
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Considering the number of people living in food deserts vs the number of people who are obese; a very very small percentage actually live in one.
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None. People who are too poor to have a diet of basic, healthy foods likely don't have the time, energy, or resources that it takes to sit around on the internet bitching about it all the time.
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Chicken breasts are not expensive when they are 50% off at Kroger, which is often. I'll buy $30 of meat and stock my freezer for a month.
Then there was the time Smithfield thick-cut bacon was $2.50/lb. I bought eight pounds of bacon that day and sorely regretted not buying more.
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More and more I find myself buying fresh chicken breast from the meat counter at Kroger. I've gotten 4 lbs of chicken breast for 13 bucks. There's only 2 of us in the house right now, 4 lbs lasts a long time.
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Sam's Club has frozen chicken breast for a tiny bit over $1/lb where I live, so I go through a ton of it. The calories/dollar value is ridiculous.
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Bought a 20 lb turkey for like $16 at kroger this past weekend. Other than having to thaw it for 12 hours and cook it for another 4-5 (which isn't really any work just waiting time) you really can't beat that price.
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Other countries, they can be genuinely expensive. Which just means you need to look at the shelves and see what's actually cheap.
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Agreed. Canada seems pretty atrocious for chicken. If I buy breasts it's a damn expensive treat. Even at Costco I went to last night there was 7 breasts for like $28. Meanwhile, thighs (which are much juicier and taste way better) had about twice the package weight for the same price.
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I get 5 breasts of chicken a week at Wal-Mart for $10 in Eastern Canada. Everywhere else is insane. Especially Loblaws.
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Let's hope our meat and dairy cartels end up dissolved in the nafta talks! Chicken is tooo gosh darn expensive.
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Meat is heavily subsidised in the US so it’s no surprise that other countries are much more expensive for purchasing it
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Or simply eat less of it. You don't need to go full vegetarian, but you don't need to eat meat with every meal either. Extra plus, eating less meat is way better for the environment too.
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$22/kg in New Zealand. 😨😨😨 you have to wait until it’s on special and stock up the freezer.
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If you live in an area with smaller butcher shops, they often have even cheaper meat. We spend about $20 on 10lb of chicken breast, and 10lb of chicken leg quarters every few months or so from a local butcher.
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The article was broken into three sections with a poll under each one for whether you agree with it or not.
The points in the article were 1. eating healthy is too expensive and McDonald's is cheaper. 2. gyms are too expensive therefore exercising is too expensive and only for the wealthy. 3. Poverty makes you more likely to be obese in the first place. Each poll had only an 18% disagreement.
Edit: So no one thinks I'm exaggerating, the article is actually titled 'health and fitness are designed for the wealthy'.
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gyms are too expensive therefore exercising is too expensive and only for the wealthy
The irony is?
"Try to get a gym membership" is certainly somewhere in top 10 tips for anyone who ever finds themselves actually homeless. Even aside from the benefits of exercise(and having a past time), a typical commercial gym has showers, which means access to hygiene, for a price that is pretty much unbeatable(maybe not for all gyms, but there's enough super-cheap gyms around).
But suure, it's clearly just for the privileged elites.
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I had a student and his mother who lived in a car for his entire senior year. The local gym saved both of them during this time: they both showered daily, exercised, and were able to get some part-time work there by the end of the year. I think my student also completed fitness certification through the gym to contribute towards his senior certificate.
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Absolutely. $10 a month for daily showers? It cannot be beaten. I flirted with homelessness a few years ago (poverty is a bitch, and the cycle is hard to break once you're in it), and it was #1 on my list if it came to that.
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Are you purple? Because if so, good on you. Well articulated, thoughtful, intelligent, and genuinely helpful comments.
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I am. And thank you. Good to know I was expressing myself well since this really hit all my 'fuck you, and fuck your excuse-making little face!' buttons.
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I don’t get the first one. My initial “diet” was just me cutting out McDonald’s and other fast food to save money. A pound of rice costs, like, a third as much as a small fries at McDonald’s and will last me several meals.
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eating healthy is too expensive and McDonald's is cheaper
If this were true everyone would just be buying burgers and salads from McDonald's; their grilled chicken salads and most burgers aren't even that calorie dense.
gyms are too expensive therefore exercising is too expensive and only for the wealthy.
Doesn't something like 70% of all gym memberships belong to people who never actually use them? Even if we ignore that statistic, the sidewalks are free for you know, walking and jogging, and doing pushups in your livingroom during commercial breaks costs nothing.
Poverty makes you more likely to be obese in the first place
Uhh what? By that logic the homeless should all be obese.
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Well statistically poor people are more likely to be obese. Why is a whole other issue.
This is the central problem with a lot of fatlogic, they find a correlation and then go off the rails when it comes to describing HOW that thing makes people fat.
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1- Even if true which it is not. Eating less McDonalds is Cheaper than Eating More McDonalds. 1 Big Mac cost the same or less than 2 Big Macs.
2- Look at a Boxer. The equipment they need for that body is a jump rope.
3- For women. Poor males are thiner than higher income males.
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For women. Poor males are thiner than higher income males.
That's really interesting. Is there a study or psych thing or anything that talks about why that might be? I can easily imagine why you would be either, but it seems weird it's gender-based.
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I don't know if there is a study but the answer is lower income men do jobs with more physical labor so passively burn more calories. With women, the physical labor aspect of jobs really is not greatly different across income levels.
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That correlates nicely with the percentage of Americans who are overweight or beyond.
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My gym membership is $20 a month. That's the midtier price, so I can go to any of their locations and all of their classes. $10 a month is the cheapest and gives you access to one location and all their equipment.
If that's too much you can get cheap adjustable dumbbells for about $1 a pound or less or full jugs of water or rock for free.
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food is one of the few "fun" things you can justify buying when you're poor
Someone needs to get more creative with both food and fun.
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Yeah, when I was poor (I was also young) we had sex for cheap fun. Is that no longer what people do?
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Haha. That was good. Honestly, that's what we did.
Now the kids are eating so much junk, they are unattractive to each other.
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They were talking about fun they could buy though. Prostitutes aren't cheap.
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Well, yea! That's why there are so many "power outage," "snow storm" and other disaster -babies, haha.
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That and scarfing down a McDonald’s hamburger is an insult to how enjoyable food really can be.
In season vegetables with a properly prepared bit of meat and maybe a quick sauce is so much better then fast food.
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I just did some math here on how much stuff can cost. Let's say 4 people wanna eat cheeseburgers. They know they need about 4oz each. So a quarter pound burger for each.
If we go the easy route, we can go to McDonald's and get 4 Quarter Pounders with Cheese. This will cost us $3.79x4=$15.16.
Or we cook up 4 burgers ourselves because it's pretty simple. We go to the grocery store and buy the following items:
1lb 80/20 Ground Chuck @ $3.79 8 ct bag of Sesame Seed Hamburger Buns @ $1.79 16 American Cheese Singles @ $1.59 1 Jar Dill Pickle Hamburger Chips @ $2.19 24 oz Ketchup @ $1.39 8 oz Mustard @ $.49 1 lb Onion @ $.99
This comes out to $12.13, and we also have 4 buns left over, 12 slices of cheese, and however much pickles, ketchup, mustard, and onion are left for other items.
And since I feel like the FA out there would say "A BURGER BY ITSELF IS NOT A MEAL" let's add fries. 4 medium fries. Let's say that you can still get those for $1 off the dollar menu. So that's 4 bucks. A McDonald's Medium Fry is 3.9 oz per the McDonald's website. 4 of those would be 16oz.
I can go to the grocery store and get a 32 oz bag of frozen fries for $1.69 and 48 oz of vegetable oil to cook them in for $1.99. So for an extra 3.68 you can get twice as many fries by weight.
Total Cost: McDonald's $19.16 Grocery Store $15.81
If I buy a couple of 2-liters and assume everyone drinks a half a liter of soda, that adds about 2 bucks to the grocery store list and 4 bucks to the McDonald's list if everyone gets a large drink for a dollar.
It's up to the person I guess to decide whether or not the 10-15 minutes it will take to patty up and cook the burgers and fry up the fries is worth the ~4 dollars. For me, I'd rather save the 3 bucks and grill out with my buddies.
All grocery store prices taken directly from www.kroger.com
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The home-cooked burger and fries (even the frozen fries) also, nine times out of ten, tastes much better than the McDonald's equivalent. You can reheat the leftovers and they'll still be somewhat palatable--I have yet to find any fast food that was still halfway tasty once reheated.
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imo frozen fries will never match macfonalds fries
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And if you really wanna push the boat out with a fresh tomato and lettuce on your burger...it costs $1.12 cents for one reasonable sized tomato and $1 for a head of iceberg lettuce. You will definitely end up with leftover lettuce and might end up with a quarter of a tomato. So now you have a side salad, if you add the leftover onion, for another meal. You're welcome!
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Saved!
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Flour and beans are empty carbs and really unhealthy, as opposed to a good ol healthy McDonald's meal and a 2 litre coca cola.
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Cracked up at coconuts that only listened to classical music. That’s a new one.
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So buy a whole chicken. Cheaper per pound than chicken breasts and you get a whole chicken. With which you can make more than one meal. A whole chicken, depending on the size, will feed my family of four at least two meals. First night, roast chicken; second and maybe even third night, chicken tacos. If I wanted another night from it, chicken and rice soup from the carcass and the leftover rice (and whatever veggie I may have cooked) from the first night.
Besides which, I am willing to bet whatever you want, that none of the people bitching about how hard it is for poor people to "eat healthy" are as poor as the people they are using to justify their own obesity. 70% of Americans are overweight/obese; 70% of Americans are not living in poverty/food deserts. At least not yet.
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With a whole chicken, you can use the bones and gizzard to make stock, another cheap protein. Hipsters pay out the nose for that shit, but all it takes is dumping the inedible parts of a chicken into a crockpot with water and a shot glass of vinegar and leave it alone for a day or two. Strain with a mesh from the dollar store and now you have broth.
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You don't even need the gizzard. Cover bones/inedible bits in water and set on low heat for 4-8 hours(crock pot put it on low for overnight). Vinegar might hasten the breakdown, but stock is mostly the bone marrow seeped out in water.
Add salt to taste, drain the bones out. Vegetable bits like onion skins, carrot skins/tops, celery ends(the undesirable veggie bits) can add colour and a bit of flavour. I'm not a fan of the metallic taste organ meat has.
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I use the gizzard and then get chicken feet (VERY cheap, but you usually have to ask at the counter unless you hit up an Asian grocery). But yeah, using the vegetable bits is a way to cut waste, which you cannot afford when you're on a survival salary.
And most if this I found on the Internet or library books. If you can bitch on tumblr, you can find ways to do a decent crock pot meal. (Saying this as someone who learned this the hard way working 16 hour days to pay off all my debts from school and didn’t have a lot of cash. This is the kind of stuff I wish I knew when I put on weight eating whatever fast food I could grab between Jobs 1 and 2.)
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Does it annoy no other Americans that you don't get the heart, kidneys and gizzards in most commercially produced whole chickens anymore? I remember buying whole chickens with the offal in a little bag in the cavity. Now? Nada. You have to buy a small pint of the offal separately, and I don't need 8 oz of that.
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TIL that I, a university student from a working class family living on government assistance and working minimum wage, living in a dingy apartment with barely any furniture am part of the wealthy elite.
Maybe compared to someone living in an Indian slum, but not in this fucking corner of the country. My city is one of the most expensive cities in the country. I literally pay the same rent as my mom in another city, for an apartment half the size.
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Wealthy? I'm a stay at home mom with a $10 a month gym membership. The majority of my diet is beans, frozen chicken/fish, frozen veg, rice, eggs, and raw spinach for greens. It's not expensive at all.
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Add bread and potatoes and this is pretty much my exact shopping list.
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LeBron James is one of the most famous athletes in the world right now. He was raised by a teen mom who could barely afford to keep a roof over their heads.
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I don't understand your point.
I mean, good for her, but so what?
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I think the point is that LeBron is an amazing famous athlete, so if poverty were a limiting factor in fitness then he shouldn't have been able to achieve so much.
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Ah, I see.
I was confused because LeBron's mum obviously did something right, while I'd be surprised if the folks in this screenshot are raising healthy, happy children.
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I am broke as a joke and continue to lose weight by eating less and making better choices. I walk, too. Yes, even in this bitter cold (shoes privilege, perhaps, I am fortunate I have decent ones). I recently moved out of a food desert and now live a ten-minute walk from two groceries and a $10-a-month gym. and this is NOT a fancy area at all. Do what you can do until your situation improves. Any forward progress is better than the alternative.
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While I do agree there is a grain of truth here, there's also lot of taking the easy way out.
How did folks survive the Great Depression and WW2 rationing? No supermarkets, not much for cars. Plenty of folks out of work and those who could find it paid a pittance because the folks on top could. How they did it was by realizing that their neighbors we're in any better shape and pooling what they had.
Ten to one, if you're broke, your neighbors aren't any better off. Good old American post war society treats poverty as something you need to hide when the only way anyone has a chance in hell is organizing. One dude has a car and no cash, and the neighbor's got food stamps and an SSI check? And the other neighbor has a paycheck from the temp job while the couple next door can babysit while everyone does a grocery run? Now we're talking! You may not be able to afford the big value pack of chicken and the 25 pound bag of rice on your own, but if you get the chicken and neighbor gets the rice and you split the haul, both of you are better off.
Like a lot of ideologues, they sure like to talk the talk about "band together and overthrow the system," but they sure aren't good for the small scale stuff that doesn't make you feel like the protagonist of the latest YA dystopia novel.
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She's right. Clearly there are no healthy, fit athletes coming out of shitholes like Kenya. Watch the Olympic marathon, it's all rich privileged Americans.
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You. Can. Lose. Weight. Eating. Nothing. But. Junk food.
The "good food is expensive" meme is a total lie, but even if it were true (It's not) it is completely irrelevant to weight loss and obesity.
Eat less. Lose weight.
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I mean, it depends on where you live. I have two mediocre supermarkets next to me that sell very expensive meats. But I also have a large Lidl nearby, where lots of good quality, low-cal proteins are quite cheap. Like, under ten euro per kilo cheap.
I just live in a very good location for my food needs? I have to take the bus to the city centre if I want special meats from the butcher shop, but those aren't daily necessities.
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I have spent stupid amounts of money on groceries, but this month I've been smart about planning my meals and buying meat in bulk when it's on sale. I've eaten very well and I'm at around $150 spent this month for groceries for just me. I could probably tighten up even more if I needed to.
I have two gym memberships. One is ridiculously expensive (close to work). One is only 15 bucks a month (close to home). They are both clean and attractive places to work out. When it's warm out, there's a park I can run around in, and plenty of free places to go where I can be active.
I am very lucky to be able to choose to cheap out or splurge, but my ability to make things work at any budget is entirely due to making the effort. We should be encouraging people to find solutions even when circumstances are not ideal. A healthy lifestyle is for everybody.
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Are food deserts real in the sense that there's nowhere period to buy whole foods? I know fresh produce and such being less available happens, but I've never seen a community where you can't buy rice, beans, or canned vegetables and am genuinely curious.
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The examples I'm familiar with are rural and poor. In one such town, the nearest grocery store is 16 miles away. There is no public transit and biking isn't feasible because the only way out is a state highway or very hilly mountain roads. In town there's a Subway (because where isn't there a Subway in the US?), a pizza place, a sandwich shop, a truck stop, a gas station, and a Dollar General.
The last is the main place to shop in town, but they get what they get and there's no fresh food. Here's their selection of pasta and rice online, but keep in mind not all of that will be in the store. If you want plain pasta you can choose from penne or spaghetti. If you want pasta with lots of cheese or velveeta, you have a couple dozen to choose from. Rice? You're in luck, but only if you're in the mood for rice-a-roni or prepared rice dishes. I hope you like sodium! For canned stuff you can get some plain beans, tomatoes, baked beans, and the kind of vegetables you generally pour cream of whatever onto and serve as a casserole.
A lot of people hunt for food during hunting season, mostly deer. Per capita income is $21,000, median household income is $48,000. There's a significant population living in trailers (mobile homes) but it's not really stigmatized. It's hard to move because people don't have enough money and do have kids, plus most have limited skills so they'll have to compete for low-wage jobs somewhere else. People there aren't dumb, but don't have many opportunities.
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Thank you. I grew up in a place not much larger than this and yeah. If we didn’t grow it in the garden or couldn’t freeze it (think halves of cows), we weren’t eating it.
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I pass through a neighborhood like that on my way to work every day. One time I stopped in their only real food store to get a drink, and looked around. There were canned vegetables, bags of sugar and flour and things, bacon and cheese in the cooler, hot dogs, bread, and even a little area with fruit you could buy by the item like apples and bananas.
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The whole ‘food desert’ thing is a questionable construct. I work at a clinic in the middle of a ‘food desert.’ There are no decent grocery stores within miles yet there are grocery trucks that regularly ply the neighborhood with fresh vegetables and fruits, stopping and selling them on corners.
Secondly, there is a question of what came first; the lack of supply or the lack of demand. There is no question that poor people eat poorly; the question is rather whether they chose to eat poorly and, hence, a lack of good choices, or that they eat poorly because they have no choice.
I used to work at a poverty-level inner city school where, at mid-morning recess, healthy snacks, fruits and vegetables, were supplied for free. Other snacks cost money. To nobody’s surprise, but everybody’s dismay, these poor kids spent money on crap rather than eat for free.
I'm a geography student and I think this would be a really interesting thing to look at in regards to the evolution of cities and the growth of suburbs, especially automobile suburbs. You may have just given me a topic for my urban geography paper this term!
If you're interested in food deserts at all, look into how they're defined. Then compare a map of food deserts to a Google map with small grocers marked. When I did that for southeastern Massachusetts (suburban and small car reliant cities), I found that most of the food deserts had a grocery store either inside their bounds or very nearby. I started looking because I was checking out the food desert map and noticed that there was a "food desert" across the street from a grocery store I shopped at sometimes. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fooddesert
There have also been programs to bus people in poor neighborhoods to better grocer stores in more prosperous areas. Anecdotally, the results are that people appreciate the free transit and the clean, well supplied store, but buy the same kinds of goods as they'd have bought locally with very little fruit or vegetables. Maybe you can find a program like that that reported their results. It'd be interesting to see how the stories line up with reality.
I'm a professional GIS analyst, so I'm also pretty interested in these kinds of questions.
I just checked out that map myself and another thing I noticed was that they don't seem to distinguish between residential and non-residential areas. There are big green blocks of land around where I live that are, for example, right next to the airport, right next to the mall, etc. So of course there isn't a grocery store that serves that area. There literally isn't anyone living there!
I've never been all that interested in food deserts beyond 'yeah, yeah, it's a problem, but it's not YOUR problem for why you're fat. It's just your excuse.' None of the people using it as an excuse actually live in one. But since you provided a map.
Well I'm shocked to discover I live in the middle of a giant food desert. There is a fully stocked Walmart grocery store in my town and in every single town around us. There is also a fully stocked grocery store in my town and one in every single town around us, each one is a different store chain. There are damaged good/out of date food stores, Aldi's and similar in multiple towns around us (we used to have one in town, but the family got tired of running it and closed down). There is also a farmer's market at the park every Wednesday and Sunday. Every surrounding town has a similar farmer's market on different days at a central location somewhere in town.
Food desert my ass. Now I'm going to forever doubt that this is even a thing! I recognize that it probably is a thing in a very, very tiny few areas, but no where near as bad as the government is making it out to be, or as bad as people not living in one want to claim it is.
When I looked at the map for my city, it had a green area for the huge residential neighborhood that is right across the street from a major grocery store that's been there since the 70's.
I'm taking my first GIS class this term! We have to do a term project and I was thinking something about the location of food banks but there is another student who was talking about food deserts - I've been meaning to ask if she'd want to partner up.
Thank you for the leads! I have to get my project approved by the prof but I'm getting so many good ideas. If I do end up writing on this topic, I'll try to remember to post my research here!
Off-topic(ish): how do you like working in GIS? If I like my intro course/do well in it, I was thinking it would be a good career path. Any advice?
Yes please post your research if you select that topic!
Not the person you asked, but I added a degree in GIS after deciding not to go to law school. I think it was a great decision. I am making a decent career out of it. Its a diverse enough field that you can always pursue a different line of interest. I have worked for engineering companies mapping ditches, I was a team lead for 3D mapping for self driving cars, and now I would for the Army and was supplied with drones. I am 27. It can be incredibly cool (drone training) and incredibly boring (data entry) all at the same time.
Do the green areas on the map mean food deserts? If so, I really don't understand what that term means. I live in a green area.
I'm going from memory here because I'm on mobile. But they define food deserts as places a specified distance from a large grocery store. The distance varies depending on whether your census area is above a certain density of people.
They use large grocery stores because those are easier to track, but it raises the obvious issue that a dense urban area is more likely to have very small grocers, while even the moderately large groceries in suburban or rural areas can fall under the radar of the map. Plus it shows things like cemeteries and industrially zoned areas as food deserts even though people cannot legally live there.
It's been good for publicity, but bad for policy. By exaggerating the rare places food is unavailable, it distracts from the question of why people choose unhealthy food when healthy is available. Which is common almost everywhere.
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Google Image Search analyst?! :o
Geographic Information Systems. The love child of cartography and big data. (Okay, it precedes modern ideas of “big data” by a few decades, but you get the idea).
I cant believe there are this many GIS people on here. Me too!
Ooh that sounds super interesting. I would love to read some research on that because I’ve always wondered about it myself.
I'd love to see any research you come across too!
I have to get the project approved by the prof first and if I do, I'll try to remember to post anything I come across!
Good luck!
I think all of us would be interested in your findings! Good luck!
Same. Definitely saving these comments for a future paper, or maybe even my thesis if I can find more interesting info about this!
Man, my final project was "Crime hot-spot analysis in Spokane." oh and "Child mortality rates due to Malaria: Ineffective disease prevention."
I was a hit!
That's rather depressing; not just the fact that the kids themselves would eschew healthy free food and instead spend their parents money on junk. Also that their parents probably know about the free snacks and still send their kids to school with snack money.
I feel like this is going to happen if you give kids the choice between tasty unhealthy food and healthier food, even if that food is also tasty. Kids like things like nuggets and pizza and other junk food and don't care very much about healthy/unhealthy. The best solution is probably to only have healthy food available, and preferably available for everybody for free.
Argh it gets even worse then that.
I think it’s going to happen as long as the kids are use to eating highly processed crap at home. Even if you only had healthy food I’m almost positive the kids wouldn’t eat it.
I’ve seen in a doc where healthier options were brought into the school cafeteria and the kids just started buying food at close by takeouts instead.
Also saw in another one where a parent was angry about what was being offered (apples and milk I think?) as a morning snack. There was a lot of huffing and puffing about how that wasn’t enough for a growing kid and there was nothing wrong with the muffins and stuff the kids had before.
Throwing healthy food into a school without changing the attitudes about food is like playing a really amazing rap song for a bunch of classical music snobs.
Back in 2005 (I feel old now I looked that up) Jamie Oliver did a program where he went to a UK school and took all the processed meats and chips out of the cafeteria and replaced them with healthier options. Some of the parents were up in arms about feeding that filth (the healthy options) to their kids, including a memorable scene where one mum passed her child a Burger King through the school gates because otherwise he 'wouldn't be able to have any lunch'.
Here's a study showing that even when a proper grocery store opens in a food desert, the people still buy junk food because it's what they know. And really, if you've spent your entire life eating things out of packets from the microwave, suddenly having a produce section isn't going to teach you how to dice an onion and stock your kitchen with all the cooking utensils. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4977027/
Newark, NJ is poor. 3 different supermarkets have opened within the past 7 years to treat the "food desert" issue (Acme on Ferry Street, Key Foods on Springfield Avenue and that homegrown joint in Central Ward). All 3 closed 1 to 2 years after opening. The demand just isn't there for what these supermarkets are selling or when they're selling it or how they're selling it.
Interesting point about kids not eating the healthy foods.
[www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/01/rich-kids-healthier-foods/431646](Why So Many Rich Kids Come to Enjoy the Taste of Healthier Foods)
First thing that comes to mind is that you have to be pretty damn rich (compared to other parts of the world) to even be able to flatout deny food as a kid. And honestly if you're simply not giving them anything else, I'm pretty sure they'll eat it after a day. Even if they don't like it. End up on the floor? Wtf, what sort of kid even does that?
I agree with that. If you're hungry, you'll eat it.
Anecdotal but, I have two cousins, one from a low-income household, the other middle income. The poorer cousin will eat anything (her favourite dinner is neck chops) because it’s either that or starve, while richer cousin eats chicken nuggets almost exclusively. Not saying it’s the norm, of course, but there are plenty of kids out there hungry enough to eat anything.
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There are studies by the USDA showing no such thing as food deserts in America. Assuming for the sake of argument yhey even exist, it costs no money to eat less.