Why do people condemn suicide as selfish when society shows no concern for your happiness or even whether any of your basic needs (food,shelter) are met?

This is very true, I had never really thought of it in these terms. People do agree with me that life is hard, life is tough, but they always end that by saying "But, well, we have no choice, you just have to deal with it as best as you can". Well, no, actually, we do have a choice, people just pretend that we don't...

Excellent point. Goes along with all the other arbitrary rules and hypocrisies of this world. Makes me think of a friend i just lost. He was not terminally ill. He chose not to play the game. I will always respect his decision, as our perceptions were very similiar. Still miss him and my world will always be lonlier. They took SS, but this place is really only place left i cay say things like this. For that im grateful. Censorship sucks, but looks like we have some good members, and good posts like these in TTG.

The system this world has is broken. They say it's for us but it only truly benefits certain folks and we're not included. Those people have the worst kind of selfishness and they're able to get away with it and it is not fair. We average folks try to be selfish to decide on how our lives go and people around think we're horrible because they don't get something out of it. It's all bullshit.

I think whoever doesn't want to leave this prison is crazy. We're toast as soon as we're born.

I agree with you.

Another point about the ''selfish'' argument that people usually don't address is, ''why is it inherently bad to be selfish?''.

Most actions can be boiled down to what they call ''selfishness'', so why is it such a big deal if someone is being ''selfish''. Especially when it's such a personal matter, like what to do with one's own life?

When we fully understand that 99% of the time people say one thing but mean another it won't surprise you as much. All that is projection, none of that took some deep philosophical examination on their part, just repetition of information no authenticity. Most people operate on their animal instincts, and subconscious programming, and don't know it, just playing out a role, over and over.

Yep. Can't wait to see these bootsrappers complain when they lose they jobs to: automation, immigration, off shoring, etc. The way I see it, crapilism is in it's final stage, and it's dying on it's feet.

They are scared and they're selfish to ask people to live on for their reasons. They dont dare to do it. Thats why they stopped others in hope it will quell that desire inside them. Finding the chains to bind themselves onto this world. They live trudging on like a wounded animal.

1. They say the world owes you nothing, but they practically say with words and expectations that owe them to follow The Lifescript.

2. They objectify people struggling as a reality tv show, they don't want to see canceled.

I think it’s leftover sentiments from JudeoChristian thought.

The Stoics allowed suicide, and viewed it as a rational way out.

Blame religion.

Also, why do they give us vaccines for free, but no vitamins?

Society is full of manipulative shiiiiite.

Do not have control. Spin in your slot quietly until you must be replaced.

Death - Suicide Machine

Controlling their lives Deciding when and how they will die A victim of someone else's choice The ones who suffer have no voice Manipulating destiny When it comes to living, no one seems to care But when it comes to wanting out Those with power, will be there Prolong the pain How long will it last? Suicide machine A request to die with dignity Is that too much to ask? Suicide machine How easy it is to deny the pain Of someone else's suffering Robbed of natural abilities In death they now seek tranquility In a confused state of mind Extending agony, they must be blind Manipulating destiny When it comes to living, no one seems to care But when it comes to wanting out Those with power, will be there Prolong the pain How long will it last? Suicide machine A request to die with dignity Is that too much to ask? Suicide machine

No one really cares, it's true. It's so much easier to tell someone to stay alive and then leave them to that monumental task, even if that person has no job, health issues, no relationships, mental illness, etc. It's so easy to tell someone to live while ignoring that they do not have the tools/ability to do so. You can pat yourself on the back for being a good person and go on your merry way while the person you told to STAY ALIVE AT ALL COSTS is like ???

Hi, Femme :-)

My therapist says "power through the negative thoughts". I eventually coaxed out of him the fact that growing up he had no choice but to persevere. Along the lines of the job it's "everyone has to go through it, people everyday wake up not wanting to go to work, but do so anyway". He always goes on about "you had a job before, you can get one again."

it's most likely that no one would give a shit about you. No one would

No one gives a shit about me anyway, except maybe family and the people in this subreddit.

the coward's way out

Yep, my friend Bill (name changed) basically said this. He's thought of killing himself, but that's what stops him. Though he used the phrase "easy way out".

What really grinds my gears is if people say they're suicidal because they've failed socially, or have not had a relationship, or repel the opposite sex, the response is "No one owes you a relationship". I've never seen anyone who's not a troll imply they deserve a relationship. It's fucking depressing because it's this thing that everyone seems to learn and experience at an early age, or they're able get one night stands / dates / attention constantly, yet there are those that are treated like radioactive goo or something.

isn't it selfish to force me to stay alive and suffer so you don't have to deal with the loss of me?

Is it logical to expect the 'world' to show consistency in its model of the universe when its modus operandi is to maintain its own self-interests‽, Femme

Don't give a f*ck about what the society thinks

Because 90% of the population are hypocrites.