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RandomCapitalist

Anti-Free Marketers.. Since we can't have a free market because "might makes right", what is it stopping the USG from colonizing half the planet?

First of all, "might makes right" is a stupid and anachronistic axiom. Rights are not the same thing as "what you can get away with" whether you're a deontologist or not. If you rape and murder someone and never get caught you aren't "right", you just got away with it.

Second, we can prove for certain that the ultimate outcome of every action is not decided by who can physically submit who and it occurs on every level. Not every person with a gun excercises their legal right to use lethal force even when given the option. Much more dramatically, the entire world could be split up between the US and maybe a handful of other countries. But it's not? But I thought "might makes right"? What's keeping the USG from creating legal colonies?

Something tells me that not only outcomes are determined by more than who is "mightier" but, here's the important part, using might doesn't necessarily achieve the best outcomes.

And inb4 a bunch of tranny Marxists start shrieking about how half the world is some de facto US colony... No and stop being a shrill cunt. US military adventurism is NOT the same as colonizing and it verifies that might does not make right because if it did, the USG would not disguise is military adventurism, it would explicitly colonize like the Spanish and the British did.

Posted Apr 16, 2018, 11:53 PM UTC

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chewingofthecudFatherland. Family. Work.•

I think the whole "might makes right" thing is just an admission that rights are not natural but conventional, and that who is making the conventions are those who are able to.

And USG is a de facto imperial power. When you hear "international community", that is a dog whistle for "America and its protectorates". In fact, USG is a really smart imperial power (smart in a short-sighted way), in that it gets all the benefits of imperium such as resource access, military service, buffer zones with competing powers etc, but also doesn't have to pay the direct cost of administering its vassal states as the did empires of the British, Romans etc. Unfortunately USG is finding out that soft power is not as easy to maintain as hard power, and once America has completely ceded productive capacity to China they will find that its former protectorates, being self-administered, can quite easily act as client-states to any patron that has the power to offer them protection.

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humanispherianMutualist•

You just seem angry and confused.

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RandomCapitalistOP•

Okie dokie

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dannyfantom12•

No one wants to reply to some shit with a bunch of insults in it. Idk why you thought that would be prosuctive. I dont even see how this is related to might making right it just implies that the US has all the 'might'. If your only reply to the idea of neocolonialism is insults than you must see why no one really thinks your worth their time. The idea that the US not being a formal empire proving that it isnt imperialistic os obviously extremely stupid.

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RandomCapitalistOP•

If you're insulted by this then I don't really give a fuck what you have to say ;)

neocolonialism

I rest my case lol

Cue black thinker man

"Marxism can't be wrong if we just include neo- before all his dumb buzzwords!"

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diezeitenCommunist•

Marx really didn't talk very much about colonialism, other than as a means of crude acquisition and a mechanism which was spreading capitalism.

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dannyfantom12•

Lol okay dude youre an idiot, why eould you even come here of thats what you want to do? There basically arent any explicit imperialist powers om earth anymore are you arguing that economic exploitation of underdeveloped countries is therefor totally a thing of the past?

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dannyfantom12•

And no response, youre a huge loser.

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RandomCapitalistOP•

The hugest

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dannyfantom12•

Guess you didnt pwn us like little man ben kill all arabs shapiro told you eh lmao

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Anarcho_HumanistAustralian Libertarian Socialist•

Your right, as a 'tranny marxist' (neither of those btw) constantly rigging elections, installing dictatorships and invading to ensure more profits to the military-industrial complex is not an example of might makes right.

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RandomCapitalistOP•

"Some things happen this way therefor everything is decided by might makes right.

Good job refuting a claim nobody made (the US isn't corrupt, might never determines outcomes, etc), dumbass. It's almost as if youre just shrieking at some trigger words and didn't bother reading anything I wrote!

Nobody on Earth is claiming might and/or corruption never determines outcomes or garners influence. Wipe up your drool and try again to reply, commie.

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diezeitenCommunist•

You're distinction between "colony" and "dependent state" is very arbitrary at best. Would you explain it?

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TheKleenAvoid the 'ism Schism•

What would be the incentive for the US to colonize anything? The world is globalized enough now that the US can get all the imports it wants for cheap, and being a world superpower the US does have some influence over the goings-on of the world.

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RandomCapitalistOP•

What would be the incentive for the US to colonize anything?

That'sthepoint.jpg

It's almost as if you didn't read what I wrote at the end... That might is not the only deciding factor in the outcome of a relationship.

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TheKleenAvoid the 'ism Schism•

Seems like an oversimplification of the idea, and maybe even a misapplication. If incentive was there, might absolutely would make right in this case.

Traditionally, what is popularly considered "right" or "wrong" has been established through the ruling class, whether that be a King or the Church or your local representative government. The people with the weapons don't necessarily get to decide for you what is morally right but they damn sure will decide for you what is socially right.

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RiproaringrampageMarket Socialist•

Too expensive.

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slayermentExitarian (crowdfreedom.com)•

Why is it not too expensive in a stateless society that doesn't have taxation?

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diezeitenCommunist•

Because slave raids.

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OpposedQuasarClerical Fascist•

Backlash from conquest is what would stop us, Only the Mongols succeded in conquering large swaths of land without a mass coalition.

I have never seen anyone use “might makes right” against free market autism.

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diezeitenCommunist•

without a mass coalition.

lol you haven't read about the Mongols for more than five minutes, have you?

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RaminelwolfSpooky Nazbol•

Private property requires might.

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