All keypads, no keys: bad idea?

DISCUSSION

I just swapped one of my exterior doors for a Yale YRD246 w/ IM1 (Homekit) module, and I'm loving the thing. I don't have to carry a key, and it looks super sleek. I'd really like to swap my other exterior door for the same lock, but I'm wondering if this is a *really* bad idea, since I won't have another way to get into the house if both locks jam. (I can scrounge up a 9V battery if they both die at the same time, so they would both have to actually jam.)

OTOH, I guess I could just deal with having an ugly lock and go with the YRD226 for the second door...

Has anyone gone the totally keyless route? Am I worrying unnecessarily? (Would you risk it?)

Posted May 7, 2018, 5:58 PM UTC

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Tenshigure•

I'd never risk not having backup methods of getting into the house in the rare moment my batteries died in my smart locks at the exact same time.

That said, the lock shouldn't ever really 'jam' unless you didn't have a properly installed strike plate to begin with (in which case, it wouldn't be reliable in the first place). If you're adamant in going keyless, at the very least you should keep a spare key hidden somewhere for you to access the manual lock should the worst case happen.

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RCTID1975•

my batteries died in my smart locks at the exact same time.

You can connect a 9volt battery to Yale locks to solve that potential issue.

keep a spare key hidden somewhere for you to access the manual lock should the worst case happen.

Yales don't have a traditional key lock.

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statsjacketOP•

Yale locks only lockout for a few minutes, though I don't know if I will get an alert on my phone when that happens.

My door has a large pane of glass and is located right next to two windows, so I view my door locks as deterrent only. I expect that a lockout for a few minutes is similar in deterrence to a cylinder lock that could be bumped in that amount of time. Someone who wants to get in will get in, I figure.

I could (would?) use a security cam to monitor for people who attempt to guess the code, but that's straying into what my spouse has deemed 'ridiculous and paranoid' territory.

Security questions aside, I'm chiefly concerned with locking myself out here.

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Tenshigure•

I'll just rephrase and reiterate my original statement: if you have any kind of concerned about being locked out of the house, you should avoid single points of failure. At the very least, perhaps look at an alternative automated lock that gives you the option to have a manual override in the off-chance all of your automation fails you in a catastrophic failure of devices.

As an aside, while your SO may object to the paranoia of a security camera due to code guessing, you could always sell to them the idea of installing a video doorbell that they can use to answer/unlock the door from them via phone. The addition of basic motion control for anyone who approaches and attempts to use your keypad is just icing at that point.

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RCTID1975•

avoid single points of failure.

It's not a single point of failure. The OP has 2 doors.

manual override in the off-chance all of your automation fails you in a catastrophic failure of devices.

Again, let's be real here. The only way that happens is if someone sets off an EMP, which is very unlikely.

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RCTID1975•

Does your traditional deadbolt stop working if someone tries to pick it?

Let's be real here, a deadbolt is very little protection anyway. The odds of someone randomly guessing your access code is slim to none and would take way longer than feasible.

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BeeEss_BS•

I have been running all exterior doors on Schlage Connect units for about two years now. Although they have a key override, mine have never jammed (at least in the sense of them being stuck and not able to open - sometimes if a door isn't pulled all the way shut they will throw a "jam" error, but that just means it tried to lock and couldn't.) Unless there's a known issue with the Yale lock jamming closed, it wouldn't bother me in the least to use keypads on both doors.

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computerguy0-0•

Am I worrying unnecessarily?

Yes. I have a keyed version on my detached garage, but keyless on my whole house.

If all my locks fail at the same time, fuck me then. Guess I'll need to spend 5 minutes with a power drill.

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MisterWil•

I’ve had keyless Yale locks on all my exterior doors since I moved in to my home almost two years ago. None of the locks have ever jammed on me, and I’ve never had a case of being unable to unlock a door with the keypad because a battery died. Any time I’ve used a keypad and the battery was low (it announces ‘Battery Low’ when used) I’ve simply made it a point to immediately change the batteries. On top of that, even though I installed all of the locks at the same time, they’ve all become staggered in their battery replacements due to differences in batteires and door usage so it is extremely unlikely that they would all die at the same time.

I had the same fears as you at first, to the point where I put two 9 volts in both of our cars and two more locked into the external breaker pannel on the side of my home. Haven’t needed them yet.

Overall I’m extremely happy with my decision, I feel “safer” knowing that there isn’t an public point of mechanical failure, and with automations I’m confident that I never forget to lock the doors when I leave or at night before bed. Plus, I never have to carry keys with me when I go for a walk/run!

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