So I have a hard time balancing farming in the jungle and recalling to cash in. Except for the first recall, I have a habit of only recalling if almost every camp in the jungle is cleared and if there are no gankable lanes, which makes it so that every time I recall I have about 2000 gold. Is this is a problem and how bad is it? Does anyone with jungling experience have any rules of thumb for recalling?
Posted May 29, 2018, 10:24 PM UTC
It is a problem cause you don't back while the enemy backs more than you,that means he will have more items than you which means faster jungle clear more damage and higher movement speed.I would recommend you back once you have enough gold for core item components (ex. Warrior Smite -> Back when you have 650 + 300 for boots then 1100 for hammer etc.).Don't overstay and greed for more as you will put yourself back in a lot of games.Watch some challengers play the champ you want and learn from there.Good luck :)
This is how I practice my decision making as a jungler.
Creates custom game with a nasus bot or some melee toplaner.
Naturally the bot goes botlane just to piss us off but that's ok . So top lane and mid lane are "skill matchups" and bot lane nasus is going to be a threatening lane you would like to shut down and "camp". The tempo of your 2 skill matchup lanes are unknownish. But you DO know the lane with a solo laner will be pushing and pressuring.
Now the goal is to create a jungler clear that highlights your strengths and goals you want to achieve. Whilst keeping your other lanes afloat.
So what I want you to do is "gank" all lanes while farming your side of jungle only , your goals is to catch all waves hitting turrets like it's a gank that you got a kill. Whilst making sure your first gank is the solo lane bot nasus. If he's touching your tower uncontested you aren't pressuring enough and farming too hard lol .
A good rule of thumb ,
gank all lanes that you can foresee a kill happens.
If you can't make that gank a kill due to lvl disadvantage check if you can lvl up with a camp within the windowed period you'd be able to gank.
If not continue farming until your next item spike. As the gank opportunity is gone after gaining the level from farming .
Then b, remember jungle smite is usually the first spike 650g.
Tl;dr remove pressure first via ganking/counter ganking or invading/vision spotting Jungler. Check lvls before farming when a fight may break out, as farming during a fight won't win you the fight and if that won't lvl you up that also doesn't add any power to help win the fight. Remember fight give gold and exp. and give you time to take obj for free like jungle camps
Could you elaborate on the jungle smite powerspike? I've never thought it was super impactful and I usually prefer to rush a Tiamat (I main Lee, J4, Reksai) so I can clear camps more quickly
All 3 junglers you mentioned aren't meant to build Tiamat as they are strong gankers/invaders. The reason you build smite item first is it give you dueling power and sustain much cheaper than most items. If we take one of your junglers for example , can you get a summoner or a kill with a level 2 gank and red buff , probably.
Could you farm buff camp buff and contest skuttle better than farm junglers, probably.
Can you out farm everyone till lvl 6 power spikes wth those champs , probably not.
So focusing on your lanes first , items second will up your game tremendously. You don't always have to gank for your lanes , an important role of a jungler is foresight. I you know the boosted top you have is over extended while enemy jungle is top side, it's your job to sit and wait for the jungler to go for the 2v1 on your top that you turn into a 2v2
Jungle items stop you from being bursted in a skirmish or failing a gank. Tiamat allows trundle to farm chickens...
Ahh I don't think you quite addressed my question. I was just asking if you thought that the upgraded smite + burn damage on camps is really that good over the supremely faster clears. Stalkers/Skirmishers don't really seem to provide that much of an advantage out of the jungle
The idea behind Tiamat is not only is the 20 AD good overall, but improves gank/clear efficiency since the faster you clear you camps, the less time they're just sitting there. Tiamat basically allows you to clear more camps overall, since camps respawn after a set time
The thing is all the junglers you mentioned have aoe, and attack speed steroids. So it's better to sacrifice 2 seconds of farming for stronger combat. And build some CD-R items with better ad stats or pen. Like imagine you being strong enough to just take those single target camps from the enemies side and not needing aoe to clear your shit , sounds blunt but the champs oi mentioned are slippery and great at one hitting people when fed. And don't struggle too hard with aoe . Wouldn't you wanna op into something more powerful and carry then take the same amount of gold the other jungler is getting too while having weaker ganks
You play Graves? Because I often find myself in the same situation. Most of the time it doesn’t hurt me but sometimes when I die with 3k gold I think to myself:“why are you like this?“
Nah I can't stand champions who bring no cc or utility. I just always ban him
Smokescreen OP utility and CC though :O
Depends on who you're playing, your powerspikes etc etc. In my opinion you just get a feeling for it. Normally you either back when all your camps are down and there's nothing for you to gank/counterjungle, you're low on health or there's a strong powerspike waiting for you.
If there's a fiesta going on and my teammates will int if I don't continue to be there, it might happen that you run into 2k gold+ (or if you're really fed). But if your lanes are rotating or they're prepping for an objective and you're not synchronizing your backs properly so that you arrive there much later, that's not good. It's all situational.
I play mostly AD junglers, where I'll try to get Tiamat on the first back, and often times will not recall until I have enough gold for Warrior, since I go for ganks pretty frequently, there's almost always camps up to take
I mean you generally go for tiamat if you want to farm the jungle more efficiently/don't have any AoE clear abilities like Warwick for example. This allows you to farm more efficiently but your tradeoff is that your jungle item powerspike is delayed because of it. That's why it's good you're getting Tiamat ASAP if you plan on getting it at all.
If you can safely get the side of the jungle that's up after a gank, go for it before recalling. If you have to walk all the way to the other side of the jungle for a camp, it's inefficient.
Would you say Gromp <---> Raptors or Krugs <---> Wolves are fine but Gromp <---> Krugs isn't worth it?
After the first clear you should start to think about the map in terms of quadrants and clear each quadrant at a time. It's not bad to go on a full clear if you need to but say if you are clearing out raptors and krugs but you did wolves but Gromp is up I'd leave Gromp until your wolves respawn. You want to have your camps on the same timers.
I would say Gromp to wolves or raptors to Krugs is fine. If you have to cross over mid, it's not unless you just need enough for the next item spike. If you go from Gromp to Raptors for example, afterwards you can only go to Krugs which forces you to either make a play bot happen, or be very inefficient. Also, since Krugs has increased in value over other camps due to the 8.10 changes, I'd treat it like any other camp now (whereas before you were potentially evading it.)