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shaksta4

Bungie, shoulder charges need to be looked at.

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Im not calling for it to be nerfed to pre 2.0 levels. With the current sandbox, few things counter shotguns - shoulder charges being one of them. But apart from that, playing against titans who are using shotguns, shoulder charges and titan skating all over the damn place, its a very asphyxiating environment.

Pre 2.0, they didn't one shot. It makes sense that they needed to be buffed to keep up with other weapons/ability buffs, but now titans have a free one shot with 0 counter play every 30? 40? seconds. It's stupid and extremely aggravating. I suggest increasing the cooldown or lowering the damage slightly so its a one shot against < 5 resilience players or something. Anything that stops it from being so suffocating.

EDIT: I'm playing on PC for those who are wondering. And as others have pointed out, it could just be titan skating. I don't know. Whatever it is, it's making titans incredibly frustrating to play against. If I could change the title of this post, it would be "Titans need to be looked at"

Posted Aug 31, 2018, 4:41 AM UTC · edited

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rfay00•

Back in D1 that same shoulder charge didn't have a cool down and somehow we survived for 3 years with it.

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shaksta4OP•

Only strikers had it back then tho right? So they were limited to a one off fist of havoc. Now a titan can do all that, and use hammers or sentinel.

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TheShippsn•

It was bullshit then. It's bullshit now. If you're gonna give people an ability that 1shots anything, make it available on all classes. Besides the cooldown can be ignored with skullfort.

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BeastintheomletIt's called Whisper of the Worm, not Spindle•

The problem is how ridiculously fast Titans skate on PC and this a PC specific problem. Fix Titan skating don’t nerd SC.

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shaksta4OP•

It may just be that. I dont know what it is but it feels like there's no point ever trying to close quarter fight anymore unless you're a titan or the enemy team doesn't have many titans. You'll pretty much always lose because they can shoulder charge you before you can SG them back. Unreactable.

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rexsbluesThe Gizmo Gang•

As a Gunslinger, I despise Titans, but I'm fine with their buff... as long as my throwing knife (which has been left behind in 2.0) gets back to D1 single shot precision kills.

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QuinnySpurs•

Throwing knife never even one shot in d1, iirc 😢

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shaksta4OP•

It did to low armor players i think.

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QuinnySpurs•

Hmmm, I stand corrected then

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TheGod_27•

Quit crying. I'm assuming you're probably a hunter. Sorry, but hunters can't have everything their way. You have had the most broken exotics and have been the meta for a whole year!!

I'm assuming you've never played D1 either. We survived 3 whole years of shoulder charge being infinite and one shotting and never had any issue with it. There was titan skating on console too at the time, so pc isn't the first to deal with this.

All I can say is get better with your timing and positioning so you aren't constantly getting charged. Skill is back in the game and if you're putting yourself in bad position to get shoulder charged, you deserve it.

Wait for all the new abilities, armor, and weapons with custom perks to fit playstyle before any griping occurs about countering. Tired of seeing people complain about the meta right now when we dont even have the new system fully fleshed out. As well as Bungie stating on multiple occasions that this pre update week will feel a little weird and off.

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SquallEdge•

Please don’t lie any say there was no issue with should charge in d1becuasr there was. And I don’t give a fuck, I’m a hunter main, and I say the concept of shoulder charge is op. Running in to a wall to build it up then proceed to kill me? Zero skill.

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TheGod_27•

Actually there is skill involved. You can't just blindly run in there and expect to be successful. There are many factors. Positioning, angles, and timing. Fail any of those and you're toast. There was never an issue in D1 with it, as there were many counters. There even many counters now, and about to be even more once we get the full slew of content. I've seen more complaints about shoulder charge now than I ever saw in D1. So quit crying until then to pass judgement.

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JewyLowie•

It’s basically D1’s shoulder charge it was just fine in D1

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Squatting-TurtlePraise the Sun•

Weird I didn't encounter it too much today. I was certainly killed by more shotguns than SC.

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Spartan-SG2008•

Shotguns counter, backpedaling and shooting counters.

If they one hit you from the side then you’d be dead anyway if it was a charge and then a tap.

Get a little more used to it and noticing enemy titans and you will get a bunch of free kills from titans basically charging right at you.

Unless this is pc where titans do have a broken shoulder charge. Idk what to tell you about that, but any changes there should not reflect console since we can’t abuse Titan skating :)

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shaksta4OP•

It is PC, might add that to my post.

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Spartan-SG2008•

Yeah I can see how that could be a problem. Best fix would be hampering Titan skating somehow, that pc skating is seriously insane.

Just don’t touch console lol

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shaksta4OP•

Yeah lol I ran the raid last night with a dude who was titan skating. Now i thought I was going pretty fast as a hunter with max mobility and stompies but this guy was like on roids. We were using the underbelly and he made it to the door we needed to get to, and came all the way back to us and then speeded back to the door before anyone else reached it. He was using a macro he said.

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Spartan-SG2008•

Yeah it’s too crazy on pc.

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kittenfrick•

Literally saw a guy run across the entire map shoulder charging people because the angles he picked made it so you had no time to kill him before he could shoulder charge you. What's the cooldown at right now?

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coolAFwarlock•

With skullfort its 0.

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PhettyX•

Or they could fix titan skating?

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shaksta4OP•

It could be that to be honest. Whatever it is, it just feels so stupid because you don't have any time to react. Its like they just gave titans a free kill on a short cooldown.

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shaksta4OP•

It's not an issue when I can see a titan running at me, usually that means I have some distance. It's an issue when you don't know where the enemy is (they're around the corner). You don't know if its a titan or not. It's not fun to assume everyone is a titan who will one shot you. That's why i made this post. Because if it isn't a titan you can actually challenge that because it turns into a matter of juking the opponents shotgun shot and coming at them at an angle or whatever. If it is a titan you're fucked with no counter play because their shoulder charge will just target you instantly.

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Lugetsyou•

The skating is the issue not the shoulder charges

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Senguin117•

In D1 I used amakarah helmet for warlocks as it increased armor enough to deny a 1 shot shoulder charge I felt like this was a good counter play. The only way around this was the titan legs that increased its damage in air, which I felt was a good compromise.

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shaksta4OP•

Wasn't it the ram that made you super tanky? I remember super tank warlocks being a huge pain in d1 trials lol.

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Senguin117•

Yes I must have been misremembering, but I used to specifically counter titans.

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emubilly•

Why? It works the same why as it did in D1

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NWISolutions•

Shoulder will also one hit kill a super... lol

https://www.facebook.com/1838952926172628/videos/517879155349679/

Poor Arcstrider...

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