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N_Who

Shout out to the people who calmly detail and report on the issues they are encountering, to encourage a rapid and effective response.

You guys are the real MVPs.

The people raging bring nothing to the table other than upvotes for visibility. But those upvotes could be provided without the karma-whoring and counterproductive rants and insults.

I agree there's no excuse for the bugs and lack of communication from Blizzard. But this #BetaForAzeroth echo chamber isn't helping.

And don't get me wrong: I'm guilty of it too, in the other direction. I've been meeting snark with snark, and that doesn't solve anything.

We are all passionate about this game. We all want a fun experience we can share. It's fair to get upset and to be concerned. But it's important to channel our passion and concern in a positive way, to enforce positive change.

It's the difference between calmly (but firmly) explaining to the server that you expected bacon on your bacon cheeseburger but found none, and shouting "My burger is wrong!" before throwing it at the cashier and encouraging everyone to throw whatever they're eating too.

The more people who calmly detail and report problems - or even who simply upvote without the pointless angry comments - the more quickly this stuff gets fixed and we can get back to shitposts, memes, and pretending our faction is better than the other guys.

Posted Sep 12, 2018, 6:17 PM UTC

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Saint_Yin•

I'm fairly certain the opposite is true. If people are calm about something and mention how it's not quite right, Blizzard feels no pressure to change it. If people are burning down their house due to the amount of rage they appear to feel over it, Blizzard feels pressure to do something. It's why we got permanent bans for folks that made use of that world quest bug or why people had their equipment revoked with the mythic bug, while there's still bugs that were reported during beta and have been referenced near-weekly, but without as much brimstone behind it.

The reason why people get dramatic is that drama wards other people away, which can mean anything from them not arguing, to them leaving the game. Both are positive outcomes for a person looking for change, since the former means they deal with less noise and the latter means they've achieved a larger economic impact on Blizzard than if they were to simply boycott it by themselves.

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ZGiSH•

You only need to look at Battlefront 2 to know that absolutely the opposite is true. You don't get a fast response by writing a detailed letter to the corporate offices. You get a fast response by posting some crazy rant right on their facebook page for everyone to see. Management is going to be laughing to the bank with your well-written responses that only like 10 of the 1000 people who upvote it bother reading in full. Meanwhile, sweat starts dripping once that shitpost that hits 10k upvotes paints BfA as garbage because it will detract new players and create a viral meme which is incredibly hard to stop.

It's common advice on Reddit to just go straight to Twitter or Facebook for resolution.

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Oakenfell•

People have been reporting the same bugs since the closed alpha.

What evidence do you have that we don't that shows that Blizzard is taking these reports seriously now rather than when they were initially reported six months ago?

The sheer blind loyalty to a multi-million dollar corporation is staggering.

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Foehammer87•

See this? Not this

Either you want them to fix shit, or you want to pitch a bitch fit.

Can't be both, cuz pitching a nonsensical hysterical fit doesn't change anything.

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Liutas1l•

It's like you didnt even read what he said.

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tommos•

He must work for Blizzard.

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Notsomebeans•

Except it literally does

See: countless calmly reported bugs that went to live from beta

Versus

The great battlefront 2 bitchfit. Guess which dev team felt compelled to do something?

Is it childish and embarrassing? Yes. Is it way more effective? 100%. I'm personally not inclined to do more than whine on reddit and far more likely to just abandon the game, but I can't deny how effective throwing a collective bitchfit is.

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Foehammer87•

Blizz dont make battlefront so your example doesn't apply.

If blizz made anything as trash as battlefront I wouldnt still play their games.

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SpooderRain•

Bad PR is bad PR. So yes it applies

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delphineus81•

Pretty sure complaining in this thread is the opposite of trying to get upvoted....nice try though.

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N_WhoOP•

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. This isn't about karma, if that's what you mean. It's just a matter of voicing my concerns and opinions, like everyone else gets to do.

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AntiMage_II•

to encourage a rapid...response.

kek

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PrickBrigade•

You're out of your mind if you think reports do more than public outrage. People have been reporting this shit since BfA alpha, and look how much that helped.

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N_WhoOP•

Visibility helps. Visibility can be achieved without drowning the issue in crappy comments.

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Liutas1l•

Why would you go through the extra effort that would take?

It's not like that effort would in any way be reciprocated.

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Hehenheim88•

You're new at this arnt you. Liisten, I and many people here been doing PTR for over a decade and have made 1000s of reports. Youre assuming what works, while we know what works. You're just looking foolish infront of a lot of people that know better and ironically who you are thanking, and you're too clueless to realize it.

We put the work in. We covered the bases and are continuing to, now please do your part and support us, here and otherwise.

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Foehammer87•

Outrage leads to rapid changes in direction, overcompensation and scrapping of systems.

Outrage in early cata killed that expac, outrage in MoP killed daily quests and gave us WoDs lackluster endgame.

Sure you're heard, but the end result aint always what you wanted.

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Hehenheim88•

OP I dont think you realize this, but they are THE SAME PEOPLE.

They are overflowing HERE now because they are being flat out ignored through 'proper channels'. Please check your ignorance, you're not helping us.

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DownvoterManD•

It's called beta. Many people at once did that for six months straight. Most of the complaints/reports from back then made it to live.

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OhIsThatAFallacyISee•

Ya like other people are saying, this is false. Let us be extremely fucking clear here: there was quite a lot of feedback given on all aspects of the game, which was promptly ignored. It is only when the bugs and issues become widely recognized, when it really threats to hurt blizzard reputation and profit margins, do they fix things.

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