iOS 12.1.1 will let iPhone XR users expand notifications with Haptic Touch
9to5mac.com/2018/11/08/iphone-xr-expand-notif...Posted Nov 8, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC
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Now I only need to see if they will also include the ability to access 3-D touch menu options on app icons rather than enable rearrange/delete mode. That's the only big thing remaining I'd miss about 3-D touch; I almost never use peek/pop.
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This is what I'm missing exactly - peeking in Twitter.
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It would be if it were near instantaneous. Takes too long to load even on good WiFi that it’s not worth the effort to peak.
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Yeah I guess but it still felt better than doing a proper click through of the link for some reason.
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Haha I get it. I do it every time too. And then just end up getting frustrated and either giving up seeing what the link is at all or just popping into it and waiting.
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Yup. And I think they can implement this on non 3D Touch device as well but with some gesture base.
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I'll be moving to an iPhone at the end of the year and this is one of my favorite features on my Pixel. I'll miss it a ton if I get the XR over the XS.
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How would they do this? They'd need to implement some other way of getting into wiggle mode, right?
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Hold it down and the menu pops up. Keep holding it down to wiggle
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This. Deleting and rearranging apps probably isn’t very common for most people and I don’t think it would be too confusing. Sure it wouldn’t be annoying having to hold it for like 3 seconds but once you’re in the wiggle mode you’re good until you’re done rearranging or deleting apps.
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Yes, they'd need to provide another way to start wiggle mode. My thought is to just make it an option for the control center. That way, if I want to delete or rearrange apps, I can slide up, tap the icon to start wiggle mode just like I would if I were making a screen recording.
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There was plenty of tweak for jailbroken device that allowed “fake” 3D Touch on non 3D Touch devices...
So I guess there plenty way for doing it... it is just a matter of did Apple “want to do it / or not”
Realmenu UniversalForce Etc...
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They could recognize the size of the contact area. If you press "harder" your finger will be covering more surface area compared to the one of just a tap.
This paired with timing (tap vs. touch and hold vs. hold really long) gives plenty of options. I never understood the need for a pressure sensitivity layer in the screen.
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Yep. This is what I thought. I think they’re now using two methods now too when you press on spacebar to move cursor. My observation is when I just long hold sometime this doesn’t activate but when I press it’ll activate 90% of the time.
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I mean, this is nothing new. It is technology used for palm rejection. Also Android phones have had this method for long presses for ages.
When 3D-Touch was introduced first I thought it would be a tech intro/test for a stylus that didn't require charging. But the technology never arrived at the iPad and now I start questioning its necessity. – Not the means of having another "gesture" on iOS devices, besides a regular tap, but the excessiveness of integrating it into screens that get bigger and bigger.
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Peek and pop is the main thing that needs a solution if they're getting rid of 3D Touch. If they can't, it must stay. That's the most important feature, even though keyboard trackpad is prob a little more important, but a shitty solution works with long press for now.
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Long hold for peek and then swipe up for pop ? Is this feasible?
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Swipe up on peek is currently taken with quick actions (Share, Copy, Delete, etc.) – maybe a swipe down or second tap to pop?
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What second tap? You'd have to remove your finger from the screen at which point it would lose the peek anyways
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Maybe that’d works. But if they can detect different in contact area between hold and press they can use this to peek and pop.
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No.
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This is extactly what the XR was missing in my opinion!
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And 3D Touch to view imagur links on reddit without having to click and go back.
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I mean honestly I would buy an XR today if it had 3D Touch.
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I am so in love with the red color but plan on swapping for a Xs because of 3D Touch.
And, to a lesser degree, the weight and size. It's a bit too large for my hands.
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I realise how I am getting old and out of touch when it comes to phone colours as I just don’t care as the first thing I do is put my phone in a case 😂
I have a XS Max in Gold but I’ve only seen the gold back once. No way am I not putting my €1439 phone in a case!
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Should definitely have done it from the start IMO
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But can Haptic Touch fix missing XR leather cases?
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Tbh, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't release a leather case for the XR.
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I really hope they don’t abandon 3D Touch
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Too late.
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The XS and XS Max still have it.
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I got an iPhone 8 just before the XR came out. I can't help thinking I made a mistake.
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I have an 8 and can't think of a reason I'd spend the $750 on the XR.
The Xr has better battery life for sure, but the battery life on my 8 is not that bad, and my 8 is at 89% of the original capacity.
The Xr does not have 3D Touch, which my 8 does have. I use 3D Touch literally dozens of times daily. The lack of 3D Touch honestly is the killer for me.
The Xr does have the iPhone X's screen design (meaning that it's the notched, almost full-screen front), minus OLED. IMO, OLED and the fantastic quality of the display on the X made the oddness of changing to it worth it. The Xr is not OLED, and is slightly higher resolution than the 8, but at the same PPI. The screen of the Xr is a highly debated point, some say it's terrible, other say it's totally fine. I would need to see it in person along side of my 8 to make the decision.
The Xr has the A12 Bionic, which is an incredible SoC, whereas the 8 has the A11 Bionic. I have had my iPhone 8 since maybe 1 week post-launch, and have never for one second felt that my phone was not fast enough or losing its responsiveness, and I am very picky about aging tech.
The Xr's camera is an improvement over the 8's, but less of an improvement over the 8+.
I personally don't think any of the positives of the Xr, aside from maybe battery life, (if you're a power user, but if you're a power user you're probably not shopping for the Xr anyway) are worth $750. It is more of a side-grade than an upgrade, IMO. You're losing significant features in TouchID (albeit, gaining FaceID) and 3D Touch for polarizing features like Haptic Touch and the Liquid Retina display. I don't think you made a mistake at all, friend.
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The screen of the Xr is a highly debated point, some say it's terrible, other say it's totally fine. I would need to see it in person along side of my 8 to make the decision.
The 8 4.7" and Xʀ have the same pixel density – 326 PPI which is much lower than competing Android phones.
The 8 Plus has a higher pixel density than the 8 and Xʀ at 401 PPI.
Apple positions the Xʀ as a successor to the 8 Plus. Because of this, the pixel density is a downgrade because you go from 401 to 326 pixels per inch.
Colors, contrast and every other parameter isn't a source of concern.
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Apple positions the Xʀ as a successor to the 8 Plus.
Uh when did this happen? Thought XS Max is the successor to the 8 Plus.
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I worded that wrong. Apple directly compared their screens on a keynote slide and highlighted the bigger screen real estate, indirectly suggesting a possible upgrade path for the 8 Plus owners.
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Fair points. I was comparing the regular 8 to the Xr.
I believe the Xr is even less of a good value for an upgrade for the 8+ than it is for the 8. The 8+ has a slightly better screen (higher PPI), better battery life, and imo, significantly better camera. Reducing and/or eliminating any sort of “upgrade” value. Really all you’re getting at that point is a marginal increase in battery life and losing 3D Touch, and trading touchID for faceID, along with the downgrade in screen quality.
Just doesn’t make sense to me.
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The XR isn’t really meant to be an upgrade to the 8/8+ it’s for older users. I’m using a 6S and I’m debating XR or XS, the 8 isn’t even in the running.
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How is the screen a decrease in quality? It’s bigger with a far batter screen to body ratio. The 8 plus runs in a non native resolution so the decrease in density is probably a wash. Also the camera is much better than the 8 plus. The only advantage of the 8 plus camera is the telephoto camera although it’s kind of crappy compared to the X And XS because it lacks stabilization and is only 2.8, meaning it’s basically useless in video and low light.
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I just upgraded from an 8+ to a XR. On paper, your points are correct.
In real life, it feels like an amazing upgrade. Much more modern. The smaller chassis is much less cumbersome, battery life is fantastic, the camera is great, the speakers are much better, it’s faster and more responsive then the eight series, etc.
The screen hype is a non-factor if your coming from an 8 or older. I know the numbers are not as good as my 8+, but my naked eye can’t see a difference. In fact, I think the XR seems a little brighter.
Only downside in the lack of 3D Touch. But haptic touch is a nice start and I fell like it’s going to mature.
Anyone who’s on the fence should just go check out the XR.
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Too late to return now right?
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I have the 8 and it's my favorite device that I've ever owned. I don't care for the XR one bit. Apart from the bigger screen on the XR these phones are virtually [identical] (https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/). In my opinion Apple is kind of screwing themselves by having the 'compare' section for the iPhones because it clearly show how few differences the newer phones have.
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Not surprising considering most people who buy an XR aren't upgrading from a one year old phone.
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Yeah. I see it coming. Slowly they will enable all 3D Touch features with this “haptic touch” thing
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Cursor mode and text selection still suck like a piece of shit.
They better not bring this bullshit to the premium phones next year.
3D Touch all the way.
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I didn't find a problem with the cursor but I don't select text that way.
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You can't because you don't have 3D Touch.
It's the best way to select text on an iPhone.
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I’m using a 7 right now but I still don’t use it.
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Shrug.
You do you inefficiently.
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You actually can by putting a second finger on the screen. But the 3D Touch version is obviously superior.
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I almost made a post yesterday because I could have sworn this was how it was supposed to work, but wasn't happening on my phone. Thought maybe I had a bug. Glad it's being added.
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I thought it had to do with the backlight on the lcd. The weird shape didn't let them allow 3D Touch.
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It’s oled so no backlight layer
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Have they also implemented peek and pop for new tab viewing? If they did that, then I wouldn’t have an issue buying an iPhone without 3D Touch.
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Not yet. Hoping they do. Peek and pop is the 3D Touch feature I miss most.
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Wait so what does this mean?
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That means that you will be able to expand notifications by pressing down on the notifications. This is a 3D Touch feature but now Apple is bringing it to the XR which lacks 3D Touch
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Ohh thank you.
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The fact that they had no 1-to-1 transition from 3D Touch to Haptic Touch is pathetic and unacceptable for a device this expensive that lacks a hardware feature that a previous cheaper device had.
Apple needs to shape up.
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Lack of 3d touch was the only reason I didn’t get the XR.
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Those phones look beautiful in that image. Makes me want to trade in my X. Which would be insane. But nice
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With some getting used to, I can live without apps 3D Touch, but I hope they bring peak & pop (ie: photos, messages, articles, etc).
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Never knew the xr didn’t have 3D Touch. That’s so ghettto that it’s not on the xr
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Great great news...
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Can't you just expand the notification by pulling down on it? Or is this a different feature?
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Pulling down on the notification as it arrives gives you the same view, yes. But this is about entering that view when the notification is already sitting in the Notification Center/lock screen.
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Ahhhhhh ok I see now. I totally forgot about viewing notifications from the Notification Center lol.
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In notification center, you have to swipe left, and then tap "view" to expand notification now.
12.1.1 adds the ability to haptic touch into it :)
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My personal biggest gripe with the lack of 3D Touch has been fixed <3
(On the XR..would love to also see this on older iPhones)
We also need the ability to do quick actions on app icons. I very rarely ever move apps around so the option to do this another way would be nice.
I was excited for about 10 seconds hoping it'd come to the SE as well. Damn.
There is still hope!
(I actually also still have an SE...maybe they will implement this feature on all phones just like the cursor movement with the spacebar)
Same. This action accounted for probably 90% of my 3D Touch use on the 6s I just upgraded from.
Lol I knew this shit would be added via software and people on this sub were arguing with me that Apple can't do it
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You can’t expand notifications with a long press on the 5s or 6.
No, older iPhones without 3D Touch do not have the option of long pressing like the iPads.
I have both an iPhone SE and an iPad, so I know the painful difference.
So, maybe, you should „check“ your „facts“.
I really hope this update brings the long press on notifications to older iPhones too (though I’m not holding my breath for it).
Swiping from the right and hitting “view” gets old REAL fast.
Turning off 3D Touch on an iPhone also does not enable the long press to pop notifications (the first “exclusive” Haptic Touch feature)
Are you testing this on the latest 12.1.1 beta?
Hopefully this means that they simply didn’t get around to testing/enabling it on the other phones, yet, because they are focusing on the XR.
If they simply restricted it to get us to upgrade, there wouldn’t be a reason to disable it on the 3D Touch capable devices. We did get the cursor feature, after all.
Okay, I will end the wishful thinking now 😄