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ThatOtherRandomDude

Health levels of Raid Bosses

Discussion

This present Raid has been a topic of discussion; particularly in relation to how Sabnock feels tankier than previous bosses. As it turns out, even though we did not get a damage bonus on the event print this time, Sabnock has been following a particular trend on Raid bosses: They all have been getting progresively higher health in each new iteration -at the very least, according to gamepedia.

Here is a breakdown, considering both Expert and Special (Source: Gamepedia):

Phraeganoth:

On Expert Clash

HP 487948 Str 1705 Def 10

On Special Clash

HP 424299 Str 2707 Def 10

Hypnos:

On Expert Showndown

HP 512346 Str 1705 Def 10

On Special Showdown

HP 441271 Str 2707 Def 10

Sabnock:

On Expert Clash:

HP 634880 Str 1705 Def 10

On Special Clash:

HP 565720 Str2707 Def 10

What do you all thing of this? Personally I have not had major problems clearing the boss or getting the Epithet, even though my main unit this time around has the same streght levels (and weapon) than my main had during Phraeganoth's Raid.

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Posted Dec 8, 2018, 3:22 AM UTC

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Klubbah•

Personally the Epithet was a lot harder. Against Hypnos I must've gotten it 6+ times just joining random groups, and I haven't really moved in overall strength since then but am not using the event character with the damage boost this time.

Against this boss I had 2 random groups come within a few seconds, 2 discord groups come within 1 second, and 1 discord group end at 1:46, so in my experience the demand did go up a bit.

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Merbel•

Good. As the player base gets stronger so to should the bosses.

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MythicReaver•

Yep, this is my though process. I get the feeling that if they weren't getting stronger the bosses would get sneezed on once and fly off into the sunset like a wimpy hot air balloon.

If Phraeganoth returns later at the same power....well... I hope everyone likes molten turtle soup.

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jason60812:Euden:•

I do hope that Cygames has more plans than just buffing the HP of bosses doh...

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TheUndeadFish•

Another thing to note is time required to kill for the epithet. I'm going to adjust Hypnos numbers because it was a joke and they did a really poor job tuning that fight, it should have been 60 seconds like Phraeganoth to put in line with the other raid bosses scaling.

Phraeganoth: 424299/60/1.25 =5657.32 base dps required

Hypnos(Actual): 441271/100/1.25 =3530.17 base dps required

Hypnos(Should have been): 441271/60/1.25 =5883.61 base dps required

Sabnock: 565720/90 =6285.77 base dps required

This is only a 11% increase in dps required since the first raid. I also feel that when Phraeganoth returns the print will not have the dps against the boss on it. That bonus was removed after the event, and I imagine that it was a "new player" crutch the devs gave us because they knew we wouldn't have the dps required and they wanted to put forth an effort to future-proof the content.

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futurefightthrowaway•

I imagine that it was a “new player” crutch

regardless, Cygames themselves framed this as an answer to people’s demand. Check their director message. Basically, people want gacha prints to be reworked to be useful instead of gacha fillers, they answered by removing the bonus damage from raid prints so you can use your hard earned MUB 5* gacha prints in raid.

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HiroProtagonest•

I was amazed that the epithet for Sabnock required lower time when he has way more HP. Knowing that Phraeganoth was actually 60 sec, that shows Hypnos as the outlier.

I fully did not expect to get the second epithet with my sub-10k Flame team unless I asked someone to carry me, but I got it with PUGs. Raids being kinda easy to complete is fine, there are a lot of valuable progression materials in the gold emblem ladder. The challenge should be for cosmetic stuff. Granted, it's not like the epithet requiring higher DPS is much about skill, 'cause the Hypnos fight becomes way easier when you hit the DPS check.

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Mr_J_Motts•

I fairly certain the Hypnos epithet was longer only because of his purple attack where he isn’t targetable for 30 seconds.

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HiroProtagonest•

Between Sabnock's increased health and EX always starting with double rush attack, I don't see why Hypnos had more leniency on the time.

The real thing is who knows how much they tuned it for not having event damage prints.

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TheUndeadFish•

I completely forgot about that I would need to adjust the numbers to account for this. I still feel it should have been at 90 seconds then to put it in line with the rest then.

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plinky4•

Sabnock is super tanky!

I do like the relative complexity of the curse circles and vortexes compared to previous bosses' abilities. I almost wish they were more punishing - it's kinda lame that you can just walk through the circles with curse resist characters and ignore them.

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futurefightthrowaway•

Haha people downvoted me for saying the removal of print damage bonus is a handicap because they didn’t adjust Boss HP or Defense. They were all like “we have lower dps because of boss pattern!”

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CidImmacula•

it's really probably a combination of all of them. The boss pattern has pretty readable patterns but require you to make relatively large evasions or stay in a very small area. The harder part of it is this boss' patterns has either very large AoEs (Nightmare Tempest) or very fast area telegraph even if it has a big animation telegraph (Dark Side) which results in a lot of AI deaths that really does affect the overall DPS by quite a bit.

Then we have no event prints and then the data here shows higher HP. It's really a combination of all three I think.

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HiroProtagonest•

Even if that is the case, it's just a symptom of all the tuning they're experimenting with. Hypnos felt fragile. Sabnock feels slightly tanky. They don't have a perfect formula.

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axelloid95•

What is elitism lol

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kazuyaminegishi•

In what world did you prep for months for the Light epithet lol. You’re just boxing ghosts right now. Obviously some 8k might person isn’t going to walk into EX and get the epithet and I have never seen anyone argue they should be able to. Most I’ve seen is this person thinking they should be allowed to attempt the fight, which they’re still not meeting the minimum but that’s a different discussion.

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L_V_N•

Ikr? I remember back when raids did not force people to have proper teams. It was a nightmare. It was not all too rare with 3k teams trying to join expert or even EX.

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ChildishPerspective•

Just a reminder to those that might forget, Hypnos was a facility event.

Edit: Hurray for forgetting crap. Element on banner and element of enemies are confusing. At least I learned you can dislike your own comment from this.

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Zecendia•

Dude,the facility event was after it,a wish to the winds.Hypnos was Kindness and Captivity.

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I_am_two•

What

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