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puddinhead

[Help] After months, my rescue dog still stays under the bed in our spare room about 90% of the time. Lately I've had limited success in getting her out a little more, but could really use some ideas! Thanks!

Help!

Darla came to us 10 months ago. We've only had golden retrievers before and she's our first rescue. She is a big girl, shepard mix, who was dumped after giving birth. She'd been at the shelter for about a month when we brought her home. She gets along fine with our golden and they are about the same age - 4 years old. I suspect she wasn't so much abused as neglected. She didn't know what dog biscuits were, didn't know how to ride in a car, didn't know how to PLAY, at all. She fundamentally doesn't understand about play (and gets stressed at the dog park when dogs chase one another). She's a little more aggressive in that situation and very protective of our other dog.

She spends 90% of her day in the bedroom that is in the far corner of the house, somehow cramming herself under the bed. I set up a crate for her and have tried other "cavelike" setups to help her feel at home, but she likes that spot. I thought that she might come out of it after a bit, but she hasn't really. Just lately, I've tried anew. I'll call her upstairs and give her lots of approval and when she tries to leave, I call her back and give her a treat. Rinse and repeat. By doing this, I've gotten her to stay with the rest of us for an hour, which is huge for her. My question is - if she wants to be the goth kid and have a lot of alone time, should I be messing with it? It seems to me that dogs are social creatures and she'd be happier if she learned to be part of us. Should I keep rewarding her just for hanging out with us? Are there better rewards than food rewards? (Or is there a better approach to bringing her out of her shell? We've tried blocking off the 'hideout' room and she just seems unhappy and anxious, so we stopped.)

Thanks so much for your help.

Posted Dec 19, 2018, 3:53 PM UTC

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shiplesp•

Have you consulted with your vet about anti-anxiety medication? For a dog who is so fearful, it can be a life-changer.

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puddinheadOP•

The vet has met her a few times and she didn't exhibit any real anxiety around the vet. When I brought up her behavior, I was assured that we're still in an adjustment period. But after a year, I think that might be a path worth considering. THank you!

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dontcryferguson~GreyhoundPyr&DobieMum•

I would take away access to that spot. If you offer other alternatives that are closer to the family she can escape to still and basically just ignore her except for offering an occasional treat for being out to keep her from feeling “on the spot” she will adapt much more quickly.

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puddinheadOP•

Okay. I like this idea. Maybe letting her have her spot when she's stressed, but otherwise keep the door closed. We're about to have company in the guest room, so she's going to be forced out anyway. She's shy, but she does well around other people, so I have high hopes for Xmas and our guests :)

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DataIsMyCopilot•

It sounds to me what you're doing is good. She's starting to spend more and more time with you. It can take a long time to overcome trauma for people let alone dogs who have no language to help them learn quicker.

Keep rewarding her for hanging out with you. If she likes treats, then treats are good rewards. Some dogs like toys or attention more, but it sounds like for this dog treats would be the top of her list.

Let her come to you. Don't force yourself on her. And hopefully she will continue to come out of her shell.

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puddinheadOP•

Thanks! I think I may have erred in not forcing myself on her to an extreme degree. I suspect I was also a little timid because I've never had a dog with these issues and was afraid of screwing up, so I let her do her. I've come to realize that her being her and hiding out is making her unhappy. So this more gentle approach seems to be working. Yeah, Darla doesn't really understand toys and affedtion seems to make her uncomfortable, so I'll keep up with this path.

THanks again!

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ZZBC•

u/oreosprinkles has experience with adopting a very fearful dog.

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problematic_potato•

I honestly would just let her be. If she feels comfortable in the spare room then let her have access to it when she wants. Maybe she’ll come out of her shell, maybe she won’t. Either way is okay.

Encouragement will help, as will slight pressure or a nudge in a direction. But no need to force it.

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thatgeekinitHer Royal Houndness: Black & Tan Coonhound Mix•

Yeah as long as she isn't messing anything up under there I don't see a problem. My dog has a bunch of hiding places including the guest room. Golden's thrive on attention, shepherds and hounds sometimes just want to be alone (sometimes especially if they live with a Golden)

I'd just praise them or treat them when they come out to spend time with you and that will encourage them to do so. Dogs like to nap a lot so I would not expect that she is ever all over you 90% of the time like the golden.

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DennisJM•

My Boarder Collie sleeps under my bed although he can sleep on the bed if he wants. Dogs just like dog caves, I guess. As to being more social, my two rescues took about a year or more to become comfortable with me. All other humans were suspect to the day they died. Patience. Scritch her behind the ears as this is a gesture to show love and affection and try to meet her gaze. If you can get face to face, eye to eye, she will bond with you and want to be with you always.

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AlokFluffKovacs - Brown standard poodle puppy, Assistance dog prospect •

Getting close to a fearful dog's face is not a good idea though. But definitely agree that she needs more time.

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DataIsMyCopilot•

Staring at dogs in the eye is not always a good idea. Direct eye contact like that can often be seen as a threatening gesture.

Not to say you can't look your dog in the eye. One just needs to be sure they're not accidentally being threatening. I'm imagining someone getting face to face and staring their dog in the eye and then getting bit for it because the poor thing misinterpreted the behavior. Especially when the dog clearly has anxiety issues already.

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DennisJM•

Probably should have been more specific. What I meant by "If you can get face to face, eye to eye" is if the dog will go along with it. Not by forcing her in some way. Fearful anxious dogs will rarely make eye contact but when she is feeling confident and comfortable eye contact enforces the human canine bond. This has been confirmed by MRI. The brain center for doggy love lights up like a Christmas tree when gazing at his or her master's face.

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puddinheadOP•

Thanks for your advice!

She does seem to like that face-to-face thing and I've been doing that more as she thaws out. This morning (thanks to some Christmas summer sausage) she's been up here with me for two hours! This is a record for us.

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DennisJM•

Rescues can be difficult if they fear humans for some reason. My rescues had been terribly abused as little puppies, beaten within an inch of their lives and dumped in an alley in January. When I met them they were all shaved and stitched up. Dave had a broken leg. It took forever just to get them to let me pet them. In the end, Sam's nails were so long I had to cut them for the first time. Normally they didn't need trimming because they were active. But he was old and lazy and mostly slept until he dropped dead with heart failure. But even after 14 years he wouldn't let me cut his nails. I would give him a massage every night working my way down his legs to his paws. The day before he died I had managed to clip one nail. Patience Patience Patience.

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donwestrick•

If you can take the mattress & box spring off the frame & rest them against the wall so she can’t crawl under it. This should help her look for a new place, hopefully in the open

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puddinheadOP•

This was a great idea. Unfortunately, when we did that, she just migrated to another bed which was an even tighter squeeze for her.

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JennyCantwell•

I would contact a veterinary behaviourist, not a trainer who says they are a behaviourist or an ordinary vet. They should come to your home and assess the situation and give you tools to work with. It will likely be an ongoing process where you see how she responds to things and then the behaviourist helps you to modify your training plan to what works for the dog and where their progress is at. It may or may not involve medication.

My dog was scared of everything when I got her from the shelter at 4 months old, and trainers basically said she was a lost cause because she was so shut down. The veterinary behaviourist was a godsend. Helped me understand my dog, and read my dog but also helped me work on her problems with so many different tools, games and ways to establish trust between us. Now she is 2 and a half and like the perfect dog, confident, sociable, great with kids and dogs and cats, well behaved and with all the training we did primarily for trust and to create a bond she is amazingly well trained. The only thing we are still working on is her fear of roads. We ended up moving to a rural area by a beach and she is slowly overcoming her fear of roads. Even the behaviourist said my dog was at the very extreme edge of anxiety and could make no promises as to how she would respond or if ultimately she may need to be put down. her siblings also have anxiety, but not as bad, it's an I herited trait for her rather than from neglect. We were fortunate she is of the flight and not fight variety of anxiety or she definitely would have had to be put down.

She was put on medication, and I really didn't want to, but after 6 weeks when it was fully effective it really did help he so much, and it was wonderful to see her personality emerge, she finally began to discover what play was (as a puppy not playing was hard for me to see). The medication only helps to allow you to be able to work with the dog to address the issues, it doesn't solve the problems on its own. But in her case it made a world of difference.We are weaning her off the medication slowly now and so far so good. It's been a long road, and so much work, time, tears etc but we saw one of the trainer's by chance recently who initially tried to help and they could not believe it was the same dog, they have never seen a dog go from what she was like to such a happy well adjusted dog. They were totally blown away by her transformation, and asked for the contact details of the behaviourist in case they ever meet a dog like her again. Seeing my dog so happy has made it all worthwhile.

For starters an adaptil diffuser, in the family area and in her safe space may help her feel more secure. But really your dog sounds not too extreme and so with some professional help from a behaviourist you will probably get quite a lot of improvement. Best of luck, the dog sounds very lucky to have such a caring owner.

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puddinheadOP•

Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well-informed response. You've definately sold me on the value of a vet behaviorist. Honestly, I didn't even know such a thing existed. After I read your post, I looked them up to discover that there are a few in our area. Highly recommended, too. Thanks again and happy holidays!

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JennyCantwell•

Sorry for the slow reply, glad you found some veterinary behaviourist nearby. Honestly, it'll be a lot of work and it's definitely one step forward 20 steps back (we spent months doing various things to get her confident just leaving the house for example! In the end she saw a preying mantis and went to catch it that was the turning point there lol) but the best advice my behaviourist gave me was "slow is fast, you can only progress at the speed of your dog, if you try to force it you will go backwards".

The upside is my dog taught me patience lol the rewards have been well worth it, and honestly she is now the goofiest, smartest (too smart for her own good), love bug ever. Literally everyone loves her and her infectious enthusiasm for life. She was a hard first dog to have hahaha but every dog we have for the rest of my life will benefit from the knowledge we had to learn about dogs from having her.

Final thought, while the training is long and slow it can also be so so so much fun along the way so enjoy it too. If you ever want to chat feel free to pm me,some days suck with a anxious dog. I may take a while to respond but I will when I see it. Best of luck! Happy holidays!

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puddinheadOP•

You're so sweet! We just got through the fireworks for New Years Eve. Holy Smokes! I've never seen a dog behave like that. Luckily, I had just been reading up on things to do with anxious dogs! Nice timing, that! I ended up just holding her really tightly and singing loudly to her. That worked well,. I think I need to trust my own instincts instead of being so afraid that I'll somehow 'break' her. We've been doing great lately, even incluing two nights of fireworks meltdowns. (Because fireworks the day AFTER NYE? Come on!)

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JennyCantwell•

So glad to hear you managed to help calm her and things are going better! Really happy for you guys! Fireworks fortunately are one of the few things that don't scare my dog. I think it's because the leader of our pack is one of the cats, he's a big dumb beautiful fearless cat and isn't phased by fireworks at all. The other cat and the dog seem to use him to gauge if they should be scared. We have actually used him to help the dog get used to things around the house. Unfortunately cat thinks he's a tiger and not much help outside (tried to take on a huge lab/great Dane lol for example) otherwise I'd be walking a dog and a cat lol

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