CMV: Music labels have the right to control their artists' works, but they're wrong about cannibalization hurting their bottom lines.

I want to preface this by admitting I have no inside knowledge on the music industry and only a basic understanding of marketing. I do, however, follow my favorite artists very closely and have seen time and again issues with releasing music being the catalyst to a rift between artist and label.

For those who don't know what I mean by cannibalization, it means that a company should hold off releasing a new product if their currently circulating products are still profitable. The idea is that companies should milk the profits of a product as long as they can and only release new ones when the old ones no longer bring in money. In music, label execs seem to think that if an artist releases albums in too short of intervals, then the sales for old albums will slow down or cease altogether.

I believe this to be incredibly short sighted in the music industry. Especially in the internet age where folks rarely buy physical albums, music success is completely built on hype. Because, as a music streamer (like most people), I have access to a wide selection of older albums and songs, I'm more likely to listen to someones older work if they're constantly in the limelight.

One of the best examples of how this works is Migos. While many listeners complained that their most recent album, Culture 2, and the solo albums that two of the three have released so far have been somewhat stale and mediocre, the constant attention on the new albums transitively brings more attention to their older work. One way this works is because longtime fans discuss older, less relevant projects like YRN 2 or No Label 2 online (yes both are mixtapes but the rights are owned by QC/Atlantic), which gives newer fans the direction of learning about the older projects. The main way this works, however, is through the algorithms that the streaming services use to make playlists or "radios". When you listen to an artist based playlist on, say, Spotify, it's not only new music by similar artists that pop up, but also older songs from older projects by the same or a similar artist. If I'm listening to a Migos Spotify playlist, there's a good chance older Travis Scott or Young Thug or Future songs show up as well as a lot of older Migos music.

Staying relevant and controlling the market is how music labels and their artists make money. I understand if the labels are looking to avoid outshining other artists on the label who are also releasing new music, but this often happens because the label doesn't want the artist to kill their own old music. But now that music is so accessible online, the worry of hurting ones own profits off physical sales is a little outdated.

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Posted Jan 15, 2019, 12:38 AM UTC

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DrinkyDrank59ƥ

So you describe this thing called "cannibalization", and describe why it would be bad for record labels.  But do record labels even make this mistake?  You provided evidence that they actually don't with your Migos example.  Labels know that streaming is now all-important, and that pumping out new music is how to keep stream numbers up.  (Also why a lot of these pop-rappers like Migos or Rae Sremmurd tend to churn out 20-30 tracks at a time.)  Speaking both intuitively and based on actual evidence, I don't think record labels are engaging in "cannibalization" much at all.

Also, I know that artists tend to beef with labels, but I think it's over a lot of things: money, artistic autonomy, image and marketing, etc.  I don't think I have ever heard that the source of all this beef is specifically record labels wanting to sit on finished music until older music is obsolete.  Maybe sometimes it is about release timing in general, but even that seems pretty rare and when it happens it seems to have more to do with competition with other artists outside the label.  Either that, or it is about an artist actually taking too long to make contractually-obligated music when they just don't have material that is up to their own standards.  In any case, I think you are definitely over-estimating the scope of this specific problem you are describing.

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SlenderpmanOP38ƥ

What made me write this is the current debacle with Lil Uzi Vert and Atlantic records. Uzi posted a video somewhere saying Atlantic was doing exactly as I described, and I vaguely remember this happening quite a few other times with other artists but I can't think of who off the top of my head. I know that this used to happen to Gucci Mane a lot too (per his autobiography). Yeah artists beef with their labels for plenty of other reasons, but with the music releasing method you get a lot of the same issue where the artist has an album ready to go but the label wants to hold off on releasing it. Meanwhile all the hype around the previous release dies even though it's still selling and the musician can't ride the hype into their next album.

So yeah it really does happen. I used the Migos example because, you're right, it's not happening to them and look how much money they're bringing in, both for their label and themselves.

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pillbinge77ƥ

There's no formula for success. Maybe you'd like to provide it, but right now this formula probably works some of the time. Let's say 50%. In that case you're just stating that it isn't 100%, but we know that. So what's really there to argue?

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SlenderpmanOP38ƥ

The argument is that this is a fairly common issue that artists have with their labels. At the end of the day, the artists signed contracts and get paid a ton for their music, but the label choosing to milk an older album when the artist is looking to get attention and money off of a fresh album it's not fair for labels to put them on hold.

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pillbinge77ƥ

Artists don't actually get paid a ton for their music, but that's another issue. Are you sure you're not confusing a company being unwilling to put out a lot of albums in a span of time with not wanting them at all? If a record is selling well, a second album will do well too. It can even ride the wave of success from the first. Just not a month after the first release, maybe, but certainly not 10 years later either.

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SlenderpmanOP38ƥ

No I'm not confusing the two situations. I'm exclusively talking about issues where the artist has an album ready, or at least a collection of album quality music ready to be curated, and the label says "hold on, we don't want to release anything new yet because your last album is still making us money and we don't want the new album to kill the sales of the old one." I think that idea is entirely irrelevant in the streaming age and labels should be more than willing to let their artists be studio rats and constantly make music as long as it's of a certain quality.

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pillbinge77ƥ

I think it's better to let the studio look at the data and make their own, informed decisions - even if they aren't the best - than come up with a broad rule of thumb that everyone in every genre has to abide by.

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theredmokah3ƥ

I would argue they aren't worried about physical sales; they are worried about investment in marketing/distribution.

So, to simplify, labels makes their money off of digital/physical sales. The artist usually makes their money off of touring/merch.

We also have to acknowledge that the label will spend money to market an album.

Let's use Iggy Azalea as an example.

She had a huge summer in 2014. Label is happy. Iggy is happy.

But then (for various reasons), her popularity started to decline rapidly. But the time she was ready to release the second album, her fan base had significantly declined.

So the label tries to do a few catchy singles to get some momentum going. Nothing really comes of it.

If Iggy released the album at this point, the label had to spend those marketing dollars to push out the album. Now-- Iggy wasn't in the slumps, but Fancy, Black Widow, No Mediocre had run their course. If the single didn't work, and her popularity is down, all releasing a new album does is force the label to spend money to push an album that isn't anticipated.

Again, they make money via album sales. So spending marketing money to "force" their way into relevance, isn't a great strategy when it comes to making money. People aren't going to buy if they, themselves have decided have bangers on them.

Iggy fans will still support and go to shows. But this mostly helps Iggy, not the label. They want people outside Iggy fans to get the album.

In contrast to when Fancy was a huge hit, people outside her core fanbase were interested. Marketing money, was a catalyst on top of the demand that was already there. It wasn't creating the demand.

So if the current stuff is/was profitable, that doesn't mean investing into the next project will be. What's good for the artist isn't necessarily what's good for the label.

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