Middle set on a soaking wet board, 200bbs deep

Get er in there bud

A lot more analysis here than I was expecting.

1. Jam flop, 100%

2. Because of straddle and open size, you're really only 100bb effective.

3. If you jam, you're really only raising like 80% pot, because you effectively have to call villians raise first. Villian will have to call $405 more into a total pot of $870. IE: there is no raise size other than all in.

First time doing a hand analysis from the commenters side, and I’m a recreational player so take my advice with a pinch of salt :)

Preflop: I like the size, and depending on your table you can possibly go even bigger but I think $30 is fine.

Flop: I personally would lead a bit bigger. With a flop that wet and 3 villains you want to charge draws, so could possibly go up to $100, villains raise would probably have to be more around the $250 mark which would mean $472 in the pot with $480 back and I’d be pretty happy to jam it in at that stage.

CO’s flat pre doesn’t seem super strong to me, and I’d be discounting KK from his range (although it’s still possible). You block a lot of the 2 pairs with your JJ, but there are still some, a lower set, and flush draws which you can force to pay to draw.

The only hands beating you at this stage are KK, Q9 and AQ, but after discounting KK you would still have equity vs AQ and Q9 and the latter would be pretty unlikely to flat a 10x preflop with 2 players behind.

There are so many turns which are going to make your life harder, any diamond, any 9, any A, that I think it’s best to GII here on the flop, even with your sizing on the flop.

We’ll see if others agree with me and hopefully this has helped :)

Uhh...you know there's a jack on the flop right?

Actual response: you have 100BB effective considering the straddle so I'm never not getting this in. I would imagine you're only posting this because cutoff flatted pre with AQ/Q9/possibly KK, yeah?

I wrote this up without reading what u/surnomdeplume said so I'll post it anyway but I agree with everything they wrote.

On the flop I think we need to bet bigger - at least $100. This is just SUCH a wet board and multi way going polarized is totally fine IMO especially when you're this deep.

Let's look at villain's range here: His KK should 3bet pre most of the time so I'm not worried about that. He definitely has all the combos of AQ, which is the main hand we're worried about but I think AQ should 3bet a non 0 % of the time. He could also have Q9s. He has all the 2 pairs and worse sets of TT for value and sometimes bad regs will even overplay AK in this spot. His semi-bluffs consist of nut flush draws, open ended straight draws, and pairs+open enders, and some Q high flush draws as well. I think against this range we're not loving life but have enough equity to stack off.

Therefore, I would just rip it in here over his raise - there are so many bad turn cards that will kill your action and also scary ones that will put you in a bad spot on turns and rivers. I think all of his draws are calling as well because he's not check raising you in a 4 way pot with at least a very good draw and he'll be priced in to call. Sometimes you'll value own yourself but it's still the best move IMO.

Pre-flop sizing is good, flop sizing is a little small I'd say, and sizing up a little would make your decision easier, but I'm still jamming over his raise, and hoping he doesn't have AQ. If he's flatting Q9 pre then he can have a ton of flush draws, definitely a set of 10s, and even some two pair hands that he'd play similarly I'd imagine.

Q9 and KK doesn’t seem likely to flat in that position, but AQ is certainly possible. Also likely hands would be KJ, 10d9d, KQ, or 99. The diamonds are obviously a bit of a worry, but if he had 10d9d, why wouldn’t he just flat that flop bet. I think you have to get it all in here either way, because you’re dominating all possible hands but the AQ, and if that’s the case you still have a good enough number of outs to make the value worth it.

What ended up happening?

Bet bigger otf, ship it here. He doesn't have kings here, and we are live vs his strongest holdings.

I had a very similar hand, literally same position, I was UTG+1 opener to $20 (1/2 game), Button straddle + blinds call. $80 to the flop. I have pocket 10s

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Flop($80): KdJsTd with 2 diamonds (I hold 10d). I cbet 60, button straddle shoves for $130 or so, small blind tanks for 30 secs and shoves $550, I cover at about $900...I tank for 2 minutes and fold, and see that button had J4dd, and sb had Q8dd.

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I had more than enough equity to call, and would have scooped a $1400 pot.

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Same with you in your shoes. Even against Q9, AQ you have lots of outs, and he could be doing that with worse (nut flush draw, KJ, JT, KT. I'm slam dunk calling now.

Looking at it statistically, You have 15% chance to make a boat or better on turn, while there is a 40% chance a bad card comes like a 9,Q,A or any diamond. "safe" cards are the blanks that are < 9 non-diamonds and also the cards that boat you up which is almost 60% chance the turn is okay or helps you.

Looking at it this way you have a couple options, you can shove now and most draws are likely to call. You can flat and shove on the 60% of the cards that miss the board and likely get a fold. Or you can flat and call down if a scare card hits and hope to boat up on the river.

Hard to say what the most profitable option is. If you shove for 325 more, villian is getting great odds to call on a draw and will always call with a made hand.

Bankroll matters too, are you in for 600 or are you up 300 already? Lots of things that shouldn't affect the play but usually do.

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I don’t mind the preflop size.

Flop is extremely wet, so bet about 75-80% pot.

AP, I think getting it in is the best play.

Jam, baby. Just jam.

100% jam in this spot. There are so many hands that you beat already given how much dead money there is

I might pull a muscle with how fast I shove my chips in

I agree with everyone else here about getting it in, either you're way ahead or a 10 out draw (9 if he has AQd), I think he rarely ever shows up here with KK. However without the poker context people reading your title would be like "WTF does any of that even mean?"

Preflop: Pretty standard raise. I usually wouldn't expect this much action in a straddled pot, but it happens.

Flop: You really need to drop a hammer, and I would recommend betting at least 3/4 pot. I don't expect Villain to be bluffing very often, since Button and Big Blind are behind him, and you are already representing incredible strength with the c-bet. Given the fact that Villain just flatted preflop, I would expect his stronger hands to be Pocket 10's and AQ. The only bluffs I can think of are AdXd and KQ.

The best move is to re-raise all-in. You need to charge the maximum for draws, and you are beating Pocket 10's, which is one of Villain's value hands. You have over 32% chance of beating AQ, and Pocket Kings would probably re-raise preflop.

Just be Hakeem Olajuwon and Phi Slamma Jamma that stack in there!

I dont know that deep im definitely thinking twice before just ripping it in