Starting in the middle with learning, sort of.

Sorry if a) this is a repeat or b) not the best place for this.

I picked up guitar again after almost 15 years of not playing. I never really learned proper theory but have a basic understanding of chords and scales and timing, etc.

Wondering if where I can pick up with learning theory a bit more to improve my playing without starting from the beginning and getting bored. Can't remember how to read sheet music but I'm sure I could pick it back up if it's unavoidable.

Any pointers would be awesome!

Posted Apr 18, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

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The_Bran_9000•

Incoming word salad:

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There are games on musictheory.net that can help you memorize intervals on the fret board. I found this very useful about 5 years ago when I started jamming with friends and playing gigs. I've been playing for about ~13 years, and I've never been a big sheet music guy for guitar, but I'm sure you're aware of the abundance of tabs online.

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I've tried teaching lessons before, and I can tell you right now that technique is always the biggest hurdle to clear no matter how much theory you know. If you have enough technique built to be comfortable making chord shapes, alternate picking, basic stuff like hammers slides and finger placement, you should be in great shape to dive into the world of theory.

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My number one recommendation is to memorize the following three scale shapes up and down the fretboard:

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Major

Minor

Pentatonic

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It seems like everyone who's interested in theory loves to jump right into modes. Feel free to go ahead and memorize the modes if you're curious, but if you don't understand how they relate/fit into the context of the three scales listed above you will struggle to find a practical use for them. Further, I would argue that learning all of the pentatonic shapes on the fretboard is going to benefit your fretboard intuition much quicker.

Take maybe a couple sessions to memorize the major/minor scale shapes; I know memorizing a scale for the sake of memorization is boring af, so once you have a decent grasp on the pattern jump into the pentatonic scale and learn each shape on the fretboard one phase at a time. To really solidify these patterns, it helps to identify where the relative major and minor scales fit in. Also, look into how a major scale corresponds to its relative minor. Learn the chord degrees (I-ii-iii-IV-V-vi-vii°).

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Starting out, what kept me interested in guitar was learning songs written by bands I was enamored with at the time. Nowadays, when I'm playing at home by myself 99% of my time is just improvising until I find a mood/progression/lick that I can get lost in. I would recommend following a similar strategy as you dive back in. But do whatever works for you; make it fun!

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Above all, do not overthink it. I invested (it would be foolish of me to say "wasted") a bunch of time over the last decade thinking there was some mystical secret to memorizing theoretical concepts. It can certainly be as challenging as you want to make it, but if you are a genuine fan of music and have a decent ear, there is no reason that it should take you decades and decades to reach a level to which you are aspiring. Best of luck in your craft, and feel free to DM if you ever have questions or need advice!

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unusual_algorithmOP•

Damn. Thanks for all that!

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MyDadsUsername•

I'm partly just tagging this to piggyback, because I'm in the same situation.

You should definitely re-learn how to read sheet music. While it's not mandatory, it can make a lot of things much easier for you. It also provides a very clean, logical way of understanding the intervals in the music you're playing.

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JustH3LL•

Hal Leonard’s Guitar Method I used for this. I recommend it, OP

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shvampt•

Not sure about guitar specifically since I play piano but these are some things I think could help.

  • You could learn the intervals that make up chords such as major/minor/diminshed and the 7th chords. So major being built with a major third between root third and a minor third between third fifth, minor being minor between root third and major between third fifth, diminished being two minor thirds between the notes. This could help you figure out chords on your own and voice them in different ways. Adding the 7th on top is either just another major or minor third depending on the quality of the chord.
  • You could learn the relationships of chords in a key. Examples being the 5 chord of a key will always be dominant with option for a V7. 2, 3, and 6 being minor chords in a major key. 2 being half diminshed in a minor key, etc.
  • For more technical options you can learn arpeggios with progressions. So you take a 1-6-2-5 progression and play 3/4/5 notes, however many you want in that chord and when you play the next chord in the progression try and play the closest note possible and play that arpeggio in the opposite direction. Somewhat of a voice leading exercise. This can help you weave melodies over chords and see the relationship and shared notes of chords(if there are any).
  • Learning different voicings for chords and in different positions can really change up the sound instead of just using open string voicings and bar chords down at the bottom of the neck.
  • Key signatures are good to learn if youre reading standard sheet music but also to remember what chords are played in relation to the main tonal center.
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MyDadsUsername•

Not OP, but a guy with a similar issue. I find that there are a ton of good resources to teach up to the point you've explained, but very few that go into the next question of "so what?"

I feel like a lot of music theory focuses a ton on hard theory and very little on applied theory. I know my intervals, chords, key signatures, and the most common scales. I know the IV is the subdominant and the ii is a supertonic, sure. I don't have any fuckin' clue about what to do with that information.

It's like, I see people talking about how X resolves to Y or talking about Plagal Cadence, but I have no idea what steps they took to gain that knowledge in the first place, and I don't understand when I want to resolve my X to Y versus when I should subvert that expectation and delay the resolution, y'know?

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shvampt•

I can always explain the next steps, just wasn't sure how far I could go on "beginner" knowledge.

Alot of the resolution that you hear and the "rules" of 5-1 and 4-1 come from hundreds of years of testing and experience. 5 to 1 has a strong pull due to the tritone resolution of the 7th and 4th note of the scale which occur in the V7 chord. The magic of knowing those chords in a scale and what chord belong which key allow you to craft phrases and ideas and sentences and everything along the lines of that.

There are 3 general categories I like to classify chords in. Tonic function, subdominant function, and dominant function. Tonic function chords are your chords that contain the some or all of the notes of the tonic chord and no 4 or 7 of the key keep the harmony in a consistent place, a homish feeling. Subdominant function are chords that contain the 4 but no 7 and are pretty much preparing before the dominant and then ultimately you have 5-1 and you're home. Dominant function is 4 and 7 of the key which wants to pull back to 1

Delaying resolutions and what chords to use come from your own ideas and your head. You may hear the harmonies moving quickly and you may want to resolve quickly. You may know that the 2 chord has a shared note with 5 and you may use a 2 chord in subdominant function to move to 5 in a smooth pattern, moving up in fourths. You may want to subvert resolution and go from 5-6 instead of 5-1, which has a weird feeling because 6 acts as a tonic function chord yet there is no 1. It's so close to but not a true resolution

Voice leading is very important to know. If you want smooth lines then you have to keep your notes as close as possible. If you attention and a jarring jump then you shift the chords quite a bit.

A good book that I've used for jazz studies and improv and practical general music knowledge is "The Jazz Cookbook" by Jim Grantham. He covers everything from arpeggios to minor key harmony to the modes to chord substitutions.

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