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Inkeyis

Pretty sure people are forgetting why they play COD in the first place

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Sure the cosmetics suck and the micro-transactions are garbage, but does it really matter in the end if the core gameplay is still fine? Do you really need to earn cosmetics to reassure yourself that you're having fun with the game? Is your time really wasted by not progressing in some self imposed grind?

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This isn't me speaking for the current situation. I think it needs work. But this subreddit has just gone so over-the-top with the sheer amount of hate and negativity, that looking for fun posts becomes a huge pain. Anyone who simply enjoys the core game play gets called a "shill" or an "apologist" who's defending a "multi-billion dollar company."

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Simply compare how this subreddit reacts to cosmetics and how the apex legends reddit reacts to cosmetics, and it's night and day:

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https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/bejr6w/over_a_decade_ago_i_played_counterstrike_each/

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Constructive criticism is important, but this subreddit (or the community in general) has gone way beyond constructive and just puts down people who still enjoys the game, to prove a point

Posted May 2, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC · edited

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DAROCK2300•

As someone who sometimes works 50 hour weeks and can't play as much as i used to cod sub reddits used to be where i could catch up on all the new gameplay and dlc news. This year has been a let down with all the bitching and crying the community has been doing lately. It's really pathetic to say the least.

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InkeyisOP•

It's sad. I come here now and then to see what's new with the game. Every time I think there's something to be hyped about, there's just posts that keep complaining. I'm fine with constructive criticism, but most of it isn't even constructive

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Dxrrel•

It’s been that way for a few years now unfortunately.

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DAROCK2300•

My point exactly.

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fluffybomb-_-1:Prestige7:•

Apex legends is free. Bo4 costs 60 bucks, you have to pay for a season pass for future content which is another 50 bucks and to top it off there are overpriced microtransactions for things you can't earn without paying real money. You can't compare it to apex

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InkeyisOP•

Read the post, I'm not saying that the microtransactions are great. I'm saying that we don't need half of the posts to be unconstructive rants. Some people enjoy the game for it's gameplay and don't feel scammed at all. My friends and I could care less about microtransactions because the game is still fun (it's still COD at it's core).

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We're not disagreeing with the complaints, there's just too much negativity around them in this sub

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84981725891758912576•

Thank you. Back in my day, people played games to have fun and not for some weird ass cosmetic reward. Shocking, I know.

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Danny_Fenton•

I could care less about the microtransactions because I dont spend a dime on them. However, the core gameplay to me is not fine and would be why I havent played in a good while until this week.

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InkeyisOP•

Criticizing the core gameplay is fine to complain about imo. The changes to the specialists helped the game dramatically (zero, prophet, ajax, etc)

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Danny_Fenton•

I agree, but for me personally the specialists dont fit in a cod game unless its mw3 specialist. Also I just couldn't stand the health and the connection in this game. I could shoot someone in the back while they're standing still and they would turn and insta kill me. However, since getting on on Tuesday of this week, the game feels a little bit better.

Also I do agree that the changes they've made to the specialist do feel better.

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RatsGetFatttt:Prestige7:•

Dude I shot half a mag into someone from behind and they turned and melted me. Watched the killcam, I was getting hitmarkers but they weren't registering on him so he took hardly any damage and it seems to be happened way too much

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OlderThanYourParents•

Good post. Totally agree. I play Blackout exclusively and have been having fun since day 1 as a weekend warrior.

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jkole18:PlayStation:•

I play CoD because I enjoy it. Yeah I’m upset with the decisions treyarch is making with the cosmetic items, and I’ll do my fair share of complaining in hopes of them making adjustments, but at the end of the day, it’s playable (somewhat) and to me, fun. Especially Blackout. I love Blackout so much.

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TheBrendanReturns•

I honestly wish there were no cosmetics in the game.

It's less than pointless.

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_yourwrong_•

Well said.

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nimbusAURA:BO4Logo:•

That’s what happens when people make this game their entire life and take it so serious.

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DownbeatDeadbeat•

by participation, you are widening the same schism within the community you defy with this post. If you want to see posts on this subreddit surrounding elements of the game that you think are enjoyable then you should be the one making those posts. If you expect those posts to be made without your participation but then participate at the communities lowest moments, you only contribute to its descent.

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InkeyisOP•

Not in the slightest. If I were to post 2-3 fun vids as opposed to making this post, as you suggest, my point wouldn't get across. As much as I would like to see more positive threads on the front page, the issue won't get solved by me spamming posts. It takes a community effort to change a community

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DownbeatDeadbeat•

When a baby cries, it's easier to stop their crying by focusing their attention on something else. The more you acknowledge their cries, the more they will continue their cries.

If you're "point" is to change the behavior of the community, to stop the baby from crying, it's best to lead by example. Solve the issue yourself by participating in the same way you expect the community to participate.

Also, posting 2-3 fun vids falls under the category of community participation. You said community effort, but I assume you mean an effort to change the community.

Also, I never said to spam posts. Make quality posts, if you'd like.

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InkeyisOP•

We're not dealing with babies ... we're dealing with people capable of holding a conversation. Why would I hope that people indirectly understand my point when I can simply say it?

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DownbeatDeadbeat•

..... Of course we're not dealing with babies. It was simply a vague analogy with a meaning I thought you would easily understand. Regardless, your "point" is your problem with the state of the subreddit which is solved by participating in a manner less divisive such as contributing content in the form that you expect others to contribute as well.

For example, place yourself in the position of someone furious with the game and then reread your post. It seems pretentious. Now place yourself on the position of someone "on the fence" (this is a figure of speech, by the way in case you didn't notice). Now the post just seems too meta and irrelevant to elements of the game. It sounds a bit like an emotional outcry over other people. Finally, imagine your someone who enjoys the game. Now it just seems like an ego boost to your side of the fence.

I really don't know how to explain this any better to you. What I'm getting at is that you aren't posting anything that would achieve whatever it is you want from the community.

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TUBBYWINS808:Xbox:•

Cosmetics give you a reason to switch up your play-style in order to show off your “achievements” (luck/wallet) and can overall breath new life into a game and make it feel somewhat fresh again.

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Gh0stnet:Prestige6:•

Cosmetic don't interest me in the slightest the whole Barbie Dressup aspect of COD genuinely escapes me especially in a FPS where you can't see the majority of it. That said however when you see that sort of thing is the focus of the developer and watch how it is all implemented it gives you a glimpse into their mindset about the title. As a consumer if I'm seeing them drop microtransaction in on a per weapon and specialist basis which is the laziest way possible what are expectations on how they'll approach fixing actual issues within the title?

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There are a lot of things I like about this game but I also think it'll have a lot of unrealized potential because their focus is in the wrong place. Some fixes to matchmaking and netcode would make a world of difference in the game and as I'm old school I'd love them to fix split screen so the frame rate was higher than a etch-a-sketch. Problem is that won't happen and 2 of those issues only get more pronounced as the player base shrinks. At this point COD should permanently be on sale. Map packs should be free to everyone. BOP owners should instantly get all event tiers and all MKII weapons when released. Fixes for issues in a more timely manner because having the same glitches across COD titles shouldn't be a thing.

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Raxzzer•

Well, the core gameplay isn't fine. A lot of people hate the core gameplay. It's one of the reasons why BO4 is bleeding players.

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RealBlazeStorm:Prestige2:•

I've always played and enjoyed going for challenges to unlock stuff, even in bo1 when I started. That's why I play, for the grind

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xMonkeyMatt:PrestigeMaster:•

Kinda hard when the new update makes everyone lag no matter their connection speed on both consoles

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GeorgeTheUser•

Don’t bother. It’s impossible to reason with the countless idiotic entitled kids that flood this sub. If they don’t have it their way, they’ll complain non-stop.

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