You get handed the reins of the franchise. What realistic improvements do you make?

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I was thinking about what could make the show better as the audience seems to be getting more disillusioned with all the shenanigans. I'd think about:

  • making 27 the floor and 35 the ceiling for the contestants. Not too young that commitment is a sort of vague nebulous thing that's secondary to your Instagram numbers but not so old that you're maybe a demonstrated commitment-phobe.

  • Employ a proper vetting agency. Release the contestants well in advance of filming to facilitate proper vetting and people coming forward.

  • Allow the lead access to the internet and friends. Modern dating starts with googling the name of the person that you're going on a first date with. Why expect anything less of someone that you're straight up going to be engaged to?

  • I'd maybe make the process a little longer so people can spend more time with their contestants.

  • Engagement would be less of a focus so that people don't feel that pressure. Instead you leave with your person and what happens next is up to you.

  • No contestant is allowed to shill on Instagram for three months after the show ends.

I know that this isn't fool proof and anything can happen, plus people can be immature at any age. So it's all up in the air mostly. What changes would you guys make?

Posted Jul 4, 2019, 6:39 PM UTC · edited

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pinkdaisy2115🌹 Team Give Me Back DerekPeth.com 🌹•

Someone suggested in another thread, but I can’t remember who ( if someone knows please let me know so I can credit them!!), that hometown dates should take place in the city the contestant is currently living in and not where they grew up. I like the idea of the lead being able to see what their current life is like and if they get along with their friends.

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CoralineButtons•

But then how would they ask the girls' father's permission????

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

Lol Provided we are still into archaic things like this, that's what Facetime is for.

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Most girls still are. It's not as important as it used to be, but most still care about it.

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shaugtx•

Fly the families out to where the contestant lives if they aren’t in that area

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mary_widdowTeam Shaka Brah 🤙🏻•

That would need to go.

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winterisforhome🌹Team John Paul Jones 🌹•

Yesss. I talked in a different thread about how not everyone has a kind or “normal” family. Family ties may be broken, parents may be divorced, people have died etc. Contestants shouldn’t have to take someone home to a possible train wreck of a family if they don’t want to. Source: has train wreck of a family and will never go on the show

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maspeorOP•

Contestants shouldn’t have to take someone home to a possible train wreck of a family if they don’t want to.

I remember Rachel telling Dean that she just wanted to meet the people that were a part of his day to day life and that it didn't have to be his family. The producers totally pushed that one on him.

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MensaStatus•

There should not be any exceptions. All parents have to be on camera or no parents. Stop renting homes and condos for contestants. It's false representations. Not that the show is real.😘

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2aislegarage•

I think the use of rented homes is in part to protect the security/privacy of those families who don’t want their real life location to be broadcasted to the world, so that some unstable individual might be able to figure out where they live and stalk them or whatever.

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calistochew Team Not Right Now Ashley •

My family is the main thing keeping me from applying for the show. There is 0% chance they would show up for a hometown date and they’d probably disown me for going on this “evil” show. I’d definitely want a hometown with just friends because they would probably know me better than my family does.

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thestonehealer14Team Wanna Make Out Y/N•

Did you grow up in a cult? If so, I feel your pain

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calistochew Team Not Right Now Ashley •

I suppose I did, now that I think about it. My mom was a Quiverfull nut and our church was pretty crazy. In my early childhood years, we were mostly cut off from the outside world. We were homeschooled, weren’t allowed to use the internet, TV and movies were restricted. We could only read Christian books, listen to Christian music etc. It was rough. I remember getting spanked for not singing in church and I was only 4 years old.

But since my mom kept having kids and had two jobs, she didn’t have to teach us all individually so eventually we started doing computer school and thanks to a lovely invention called WiFi, I was able to discover a whole new world through the internet and it saved me from being completely socially inept.

The way we were being raised became less and less strict, as time went by. During the last few years of her life, my mom had pretty much switched to the “All you need is love” style of parenting and stopped punishing us for anything. After she died, my dad left the crazy church, and the way my siblings are currently being raised is so drastically different from how it was when I was their age.

But even though my family’s beliefs aren’t quite so extreme anymore, they still look down on shows like The Bachelor and are very slut-shamey people and if I went on the Bachelor, they would be so ashamed of me, especially if I made out with the lead in a bikini or something like that. They’d probably have a heart attack 🤣

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olivetune•

I think about this all the time. I’ll never go on the show because when the lead asks about “my struggles and my scars” how am I supposed to talk about my family’s emotional abuse on television? That would just make things worse when I go home, or just make it so that I can never go home again. I cannot imagine a hometown date...

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calistochew Team Not Right Now Ashley •

Yes! I wish hometown dates were more like this. What their life is like currently is much more relevant.

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

A minimum of 5 FIR given out. No targets on anyone's backs, and makes it more interesting. No one gets sent home the first night and everyone gets at least 10 min to talk to the lead. None of this "stealing" shit the first night. Just a genuine opporunity to get to know everyone and give every contestant a chance.

Also, the lead LIVES IN THE HOUSE too. So, everyone wakes up, fixes breakfast together, hangs out. More "natural" time. Edited to clarify: No one can bother the lead in his or her room. It's off limits.

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I like the idea of multiple FIRs! But I think it’s important for the lead to have their own space. If they slept in the house, contestants would always be knocking on their door and they’d never get a chance to recharge or sleep.

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

I should clarify that no one should be allowed to approach the lead's room. The lead HAS to approach others' rooms in those cases.

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seffy12•

That would be wild if the lead lived with them

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

That was the best part of Winter Games. Everyone was hanging out in the kitchen while Clare was cooking dinner. It was so relaxed. No one had missed any jacuzzi appointments yet...

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throawaeeey•

Good suggestion but made me realize 10 minutes - 30 contestants = 5 hours Plus ITMs.. damn

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

Fewer contestants then. It could be done.

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msi12345•

Sean gave out multiple FIRs on his night 1. But Tierra got the “first” FIR which still put a target on her back. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I think the FIR(s) will always have that sort of connotation (which is part of the drama/tension/vibe the producers want to create)

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

That's what I loved about Sean's season, though, is that he didn't follow those stupid rules. It also plays into the dumb "soul mate" thing, which I don't believe at all. There are a lot of people we can connect with potentially and I think it closes us off from opportunities. Think about Nick's season. He was super into Vanessa but gave Rachel the FIR bc she was awesome but also so that V wouldn't have a target on her back. (But unfortunately I think it put a target on Rachel's back in V's eyes bc she was so immature and insecure.) Why even worry about that stuff? There were a lot of great women on his season...Astrid, Whitney, Angela, etc., who were potentially overlooked. Why the hurry to identify the favorites? Just chill and get to know people.

Someone like Wells on Jojo's season or Grocery Joe (who have both proven themselves to be funny, friendly, loyal, commitment-minded men) can be a little slower to warm up and are nervous around the cameras. The shyer guys shouldn't have to be stressing about stealing people.

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msi12345•

I don’t believe in the soul mate concept either 👍 If the show’s priorities were 1. Love story 2. Entertainment I don’t really think they’d do a FIR at all. But the priorities are in reverse order and the FIR feeds the drama so I don’t see them doing away with it 😔

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lovelight30 Team Not Right Now Ashley •

I really like the idea that the lead spends regular time with them such as making food and pool time. I think some of the best dates is when the lead spontaneously decides to do a BBQ or pool party day. Everyone is just relaxed.

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freemysoulxo•

Oooh I like the idea of multiple FIRs. Not only because of the target thing but because it would let us know who the leads favorites are from night 1. There’s also been speculation that the lead doesn’t give the rose to their TRUE favorite to protect them (nick legit said that’s why he didn’t give it to Vanessa) so maybe if there were multiple they would feel more free to do so.

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

Yup. And it goes back to Sean not narrowing down too soon.

I know Olivia shot herself in the foot a lot, but think of how differently she might have been treated if several other women along with her had gotten the FIR from Ben.

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azzurrii•

I remember on Deanna’s bachelorette weekend she had 3 guys stay with her each week (I think whoever got roses dates?) and it was amazing! One of my fave scenes that season was her and Mesnick when she got back from a date and dumped the guy and her and Jason got to bond.

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tortllaa•

This isn’t part of naturally dating someone though. If I was the lead, I wouldn’t be interested in any of my contestants after the first week. You have to like someone before seeing them in their natural habitat imo

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

How many of us have met people through work or through friends? And it sorta goes from hanging out in groups to smaller groups to 1 on 1. Helps the whole dynamic. I think we put too much stock in immediate attraction and love at first sight. Things can grow.

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tortllaa•

I meant the living together part. Constantly being around each other in a roommate dynamic when you’ve just met doesn’t seem romantic in the slightest

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

I think it's the best way to get to know someone. The way the show does it with people instantly going bungee jumping and then to a beautiful expensive meal...how many first dates are actually realistically like that? Most of my first dates have been a restaurant meal and then a movie or something. Lol

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marcielagox•

Producers should show leads footage of any questionable/toxic behavior from contestants

If someone gets sent home, they are not allowed to come back at all

No musical instruments on dates

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In fairness though they get a lot of value and ratings out of the drama. If they just showed how blatantly Luke lies, it'd be a lot less exciting watching a young woman perpetually send decent guys home over a lunatic.

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Bubblz97•

I laughed at no musical instruments on dates 😃

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Arabellan•

A more diverse cast. I want people of different backgrounds and ethnicities, and I want to see different looks. Bring on the chubby, the short, the nerd, the hippie. It takes me half a season to even start to tell the difference between all the "one mold, twenty contestants" as it is now.

I'd also love to see multiple leads, hopefully that would lessen the risk of contestants "competing to win" instead of figuring out if they actually have real feelings for the lead.

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pokupokupoku•

so you want to have a chubby person fly out to LA to be on the first night of the bachelor just to get made fun of by people watching at home after being sent home the first rose ceremony?

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Emwheels13•

That’s what I thought as well. This is a very narrow minded show that has built its reputation around skinny, fit pretty people. It’s not likely to change - considering the show is doing well.

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MissasylumS•

Why do you assume they’ll be sent home night one? Coming from a chubby person I for sure would not be making fun of them. I would be thrilled to see more relatable people. People like different body types, not all guys are into small women and not all women are into super muscular guys.

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puppypooper15 Team Mike for Bach •

Adding on: choose some leads that are open to dating outside their very narrow "type." I'm tired of most leads having no interest in POC and I'm sure most of the ones we've had wouldn't have been interested in contestants with different body or personality types, which are all things I want to see!

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Arabellan•

Right! Somehow it's always the slightly less gorgeous contestants that the lead didn't have "as much of a connection to" and are sent home the first eps..

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MensaStatus•

Stop giving out free rings. Love is investing in a ring for your forever. Free rings cheapen the show.

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DaisyandBellaTeam Here for the Tea•

I like seeing the Neil Lane ring that the man chooses.

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Beauty and the Geek was kind of like this.

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freemysoulxo•

I don’t think they could ever make an age requirement of 27. I think the show has acquired a lot of young fans that they would risk losing by doing that. I could get with a like 23 requirement HOWEVER

I do think the age for leads desperately needs to be raised. I have come around to Hannah B but maybe her bad choices in men are because she’s only 24? Lol she still has growing to do.

Another: I love the drama of the show but please show us some REAL convos too!! I feel like so many contestants talk about how them and the lead talked about faith, or family, etc and we never we hear it I want more of that

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HoopoeBird7 Team Mike for Bach •

Agreed, maybe the lead should be 27+

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Face21Team Yes Bitch Yes•

I’d release extended footage of dates/convos/fun moments between contestants. They’ve got it, why not put it out there? It’s easy fan engagement.

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marcielagox•

I want all the tyler footage

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MensaStatus•

Replace the mansion and don't have adults sleeping in bunk beds 4 to a room. The pool should be much larger.

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msi12345•

I don’t understand the reasoning of the timing of night one filming...is the sky going to fall if limo entrances start before sundown or something? Why have the rose ceremony at 5am when you could just start filming earlier and not have to stay up all night? Across the board, contestants always talk about how exhausting night 1 is. So start earlier. Am I missing something here?!

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MoreNuancedThanThatTeam Chris Harrison's Intern•

My assumption has always been that they do it overnight so the lighting doesn't change/is more controlled after nightfall. Since it's dark the whole time, the producers can re-arrange entrances and conversations during the cocktail party as much as they want without it looking choppy or incongruent. Plus, people get weird when they're tired and drunk and it probably makes for more interesting footage lol

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Tangboy50000•

We noticed this season how light it was when the guys were walking out after the rose ceremony. I turned to my gf and said “omg is it the next morning? Why in the hell did that take so long to film?”

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awesemo•

Eliminate the episode previews at the start and half way through episodes. I'm usually planning to watch the whole episode anyway and prefer to just see the story unfold.

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MissasylumS•

...unspoiled here. Unless Luke is THE relationship. Which really makes me kinda sad. She even told us during the Chris Harrison sit down that Luke is her favorite to kiss.

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noitsnotatubaDon't insult my intelligence, DEREK :snoo_angry:•

Edit the show so we get SOME drama (the entire Luke/Garrett encounter this last episode was the most entertained I’ve been all season) but don’t let it consume multiple episodes. We get it, Luke’s a red flag, let’s see the relationships.

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pokupokupoku•

imo the biggest change I'd make would be with the scheduling:

I'd have: bachelor, then winter games, then bachelorette, then bachelor in paradise, then bachelor pad, so there would be five different shows.

I'd also make a rule that says you have to wait a full year since your last appearance to go on another show. so if you go on the bachelor in january 2020, you can't go on any of the spinoffs or be the bachelorette until january 2021 at the earliest. I think this would cut down the amount of people who are clearly just trying to go to paradise right away.

I'd also:

make paradise a little more like love island, make bachelor pad just a less over the top the challenge, and make winter games be for charity

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MtnExplrGrl•

Start the season with a maximum number of 15 contestants while maintaining the same length of filming. Less people to start off gives the lead a chance to spend more time with the contestants.

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KurtzM0mmyTeam Blakeson•

More diversity, and NYPD detective level background checks.

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The previous four seasons of this show have been successful (so far!), so I don't really think they need to change anything because the process is clearly working for leads that want it to work. I just wish they would make some editing changes. I wish they would show more of the funny moments and the real conversations (and not just the super deep conversations, but the casual getting-to-know-you conversations) and there would be more of a balance between the drama, romance, and cast interactions.

I also wish we could go back the old days, when the lead didn't tell everyone that they loved them (OMG NO YOU DON'T) and the FIR recipient didn't always win. I did like what they did on Deanna's season, with 3 FIRs and the third one being chosen by her friends; I think that could help the lead notice someone they wouldn't have. I also liked (I want to say this was Deanna's or Jillian's season?) in which 3 of the guys each week got to live with the lead.

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

I didn't watch Deanna's season, but the 3rd FIR being chosen by her friends is a great idea.

(I always think of Carrie and the Russian where they have dinner with all of her friends and they see how pretentious and humorless he is and immediately dislike him. Btw I disliked my ex BIL as soon as I met him and my sis and he split very soon after having their first kid. NO ONE in the family liked him. Lol If we had a room of 25 men to pick from he would have gone home Night 1.)

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I would have a separate show based on Winter Games that lasts a full season.

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SecretHoSlappa🌹Team Somebody Get Chris 🌹•
  • Give the lead an opportunity to watch the footage from dates, the mansion and just moments when they're not around.

  • A limit of one/two times per season and a need of a solid reason to cancel the cocktail party.

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brolita•

I like the other color roses i've seen on australia - white rose means you get to steal the lead away whenever you want (i think it should only get one use though), a key means you have a opportunity to go to the lead's hotel room and do something with them (bachelor australia contestant brooke used it to take nick out to breakfast and to play football). Maybe also like, a rose that allows the person who has it one replay to show the rest of the contestants some behavior or activity that was caught on tape? Any other theme roses?

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emrunner•

More diversity.

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HashtagVictory•

Maybe more how I'd like to pick a mate than how to maximize the show.

-- Early Group dates as team competitions. Split them into groups of four to work toward a goal. Winning group gets an extra small group date.

If you can't work successfully towards a goal with others, you're probably not a good mate. I'd want to see what a contestant looks like working with their team. Are they a good leader? Are they overly bossy and controlling? Are they incapable of taking a backseat where it's more useful? Are they more focused on getting credit than on team success?

Could go a lot of ways for the event. Anything from 4 v 4 basketball, to buying and fixing up an old car 24hrs of Lemons style, put on a one act play, to making dinners for a soup kitchen.

-- Rather than total isolation and boredom, use group social events to create drama. During a 1 on 1, have the contestants take a group outing to the gym or a ballgame. Film the ensuing drama.

-- A whole week backpacking trip Midway through.

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corkyweener•

I like the idea of a small amount of extra time for the winning team. Don’t send the losers home after the competition, just earlier on in the night.

You’d still get the drama of the winning team, because some folks would steal the lead even if they “won” more time.

The current iteration of these dates, along with canceling cocktail parties, seems really dumb if the idea is to get to know your soulmate. Even if your mind is made up, realistically you would still want extra time with them.

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LAnative12345Team Old Matt Donald👨🏼‍🌾•

I love all these!

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redyouch•

You’re suggestions sound wonderful in order to allow the contestants to find a mature, meaningful relationship.

Unfortunately, that’s not what the world wants to see on TV! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

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mediocre-spice•

Half of the suggestions in this post would make the show boring as hell. I don't like the producers messing with the cast's heads but I don't think the messiness or immaturity is bad.

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