Gaijin Pls: The T37 Phase I Light Tank; A Baby Bulldog

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From R.P Hunnicutt's "Sheridan: A History of the American Light Tank Volume 2":

At the end of World War II, all tank production in the United States was terminated. The only exceptions were a few experimental vehicles. The production run of the light tank M24 had ended in August 1945 after the completion of 4731 vehicles. They were destined to serve in the United States Army until after the Korean War. However, prior to the end of World War II, consideration was given to the future requirements of the Army. On 2 January 1945, the Army Ground Forces Equipment Review Board met in Washington, D.C. Later, in November of the same year, the War Department Equipment Review Board was convened under the leadership of General Joseph W. Stilwell. Both of these boards included a light tank in their recommendations for new development.

The proposed light tank was to be about 25 tons in weight with increased firepower and mobility compared to the light tank M24. Since the latter was considered to be deficient in firepower, the new light tank was to be armed with a gun approximately three inches in caliber capable of penetrating five inches of homogeneous steel armor at 30 degrees obliquity and a range of 1000 yards.

As originally outlined, the turret development program for the light tank T37 was divided into three phases. The Phase I design utilized the 76mm gun T94 in the T137 combination gun mount. The Phase II turret was to be armed with the higher velocity 76mm gun T91 and equipped with the Vickers fire control system featuring azimuth and elevation stabilization. The vehicle with this turret was subsequently redesignated as the light tank T41. The Phase III turret was to incorporate either the T91 gun with an automatic loader or a stubby case 76mm gun proposed for development. The fighting compartment on the Phase III vehicle was to be completely integrated with an IBM stabilization system and power loading. This fire control system was to include a stereoscopic range finder, an automatic lead computer, and an automatic ballistic corrector.

Imgur album with images taken from Hunnicutt

Characteristics

Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader in the 3 man turret and 1 Driver sitting left)

Size:

  • 18 foot 1 inch (5.5 m) long (23 foot 11 inch or 7.3 m including barrel length)

  • 10 foot 6 inches wide

  • 8 foot 6 inches tall

Armor: lol has none

  • 1 inch (25 mm) @ 60 degrees UFP

  • 1.25 inch (32 mm) @ 45 degrees LFP

  • 0.75-1 inch (19-25 mm) Hull Sides

  • 0.75 inch (19 mm) Hull Rear

  • 1.25 inch (32 mm) Turret Front

  • 1 inch (25 mm) Turret Sides & Rear

  • 1-1.25 inch (25-32 mm) Gun Mantlet

Mobility:

  • AOS-895-1 gasoline engine producing 500 gross horsepower at 2800 rpm

  • Weight of 22 tons

  • Top speed of 45 mph (72 kph) based on the M41A1 in War Thunder which uses the same transmission and a similar engine

Main Armament:

1x T94 76 mm cannon firing the following rounds:

  • 76 mm AP-T, M339 at 2,600 feet/second (790 m/sec) for ~140 mm penetration point blank

  • 76 mm HVAP-T, M319 at 3,400 feet/second (1000 m/sec) for ~200 mm penetration point blank

  • 76 mm HE, M352

  • 76 mm Smoke WP, M361

These are the same shells that the M41A1 has access to in War Thunder currently minus the sabot, but with lower shell velocity owing to the shorter barrel length. The ballistics of the gun will be similar to that of the 76 mm M1 you would find on the M18, however I personally was not able to find sources for shell velocities of this specific weapon for shells other than the M339, and therefore will assume that the 76 mm M1 is a good reference.

The 76 mm T94 has a vertical guidance of +20 to -9 degrees and is loaded manually by the loader on the right side of the turret, at a rate similar to if not slower than the M41A1.

Ammo capacity should be around 60 shells given the similarities to the M41A1, however I was also not able to find a good source on this figure.

Secondary Armament:

  • 1x .50 caliber machine gun placed coaxially with the main 76 mm T94

  • 1x .50 caliber machine gun placed on the roof

  • 2x .30 caliber machine guns placed in blister mounts on each turret wall with vertical guidance of +45 to -9 degrees

Why does this vehicle belong in the game & what BR would it be at?

Currently the US tech tree has a large gap in its scouts between the 3.3 RB M24 and the 6.0 RB M41A1. The addition of this vehicle as an interim 5.3 light tank would somewhat smooth out the progression to the high tier American scout vehicles as well as slot into the popular 5.3 lineup with the M18, T20, and M4A3 (76) W. At 5.3 this vehicle would likely be balanced, as it would be similar to an M18 without the deadly APHE round and a larger profile but enhanced protection against heavy machine guns and superior gun stabilization with scouting ability. It is possible that it could be given access to the 76 mm HVAP-DS-T, M331A2 sabot that the M41A1 has access to, however this would be quite strong at 5.3 and may warrant an increase to 5.7.

The only issue with this vehicle in the tech tree is that there was only a single prototype of this vehicle completed that did not see combat, as subsequent models were upgraded to Phase II and Phase III variants with different turrets and weapon systems that ultimately ended with the production of the M41 Walker Bulldog. This would make the case for this vehicle to be a premium, as even similar paper vehicles such as the T95 had multiple prototypes completed.

Posted Jul 17, 2019, 7:25 AM UTC

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FlyingNederlander=TRAA= Squadron Leader•

+1 from me, the US desperately needs a light tank between the Chaffee and Walker Bulldog.

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SayNoToWeebs223•

AND more ground vehicles that can take on/flank axis heavies at lower brs

And that includes beating the shit out of german captured churchills and kv1s

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CM_Jacawitz•

Oh boy you should see the gap of scout vehicles in the British tree

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FlyingNederlander=TRAA= Squadron Leader•

Yeah they desperately need vehicles as well, but that's not what this post is about.

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CM_Jacawitz•

Ofc :)

I fully support the implementation of this tank, i would suggest making it premium to make it more rare as it is a prototype but at this point so many people buy premiums that excel at these kinds of BRs, that it would probably be more common than main tech tree, so make it main tech tree sure.

I do play the US too and am upto 6.7, but the way you worded it made me giggle a little bit thinking about the lack of Brit scouts. Not whining just having fun :p

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FlyingNederlander=TRAA= Squadron Leader•

Oh, I’m sorry for interpreting it another way, it’s just there are a lot of “Britain suffers” users on this subreddit who make every darn post they come across about the state of Britain in WT.

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UberrandomnessOPM4A1 Enthusiast•

Tagging u/ClockworkRaider to have the vehicle added to the Gaijin Pls spreadsheet

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skippythemoonrockYoutube.com/Vulpinaut | Sát Công•

2x .30 caliber machine guns placed in blister mounts on each turret wall with vertical guidance of +45 to -9 degrees.

I love how we learned so much during the war but "MOAR DAKKA" guy still stuck to his principles

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Makoandsparkyflair-us•

How about they lower the m41 to 5.3 to counter the tiger spam

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LightTankTerrorUnarmored Fighting Vehicle Enthusiast•

I’d rather it not get a 15k SL repair cost slapped on it so let’s leave it where it is. It has good synergy with the AD-4 and functions as an excellent backup to 6.3 and 6.7 lineups. I’d argue it’s more practical than the T92 90% of the time and probably the most enjoyable light tank to play and not too bullshit to fight against.

I’ve had that thing since it was 6.3 and frequently saw T-54s and IS-6 spam, and I still have the same opinion I have today. Good stock grind, good support tank, excellently balanced characteristics (there is no light tank relevant thing it sucks at except maybe speed compared to some vehicles), good at punishing open flanks, and not totally helpless against almost all 20mm autocannons and aircraft.

The only reasons I’d move it is for general BR decompression (it could totally go up with some other tanks to decompress low/mid tier a bit) or to 5.7 so it has a proper lineup to be a part of. There is no 6.0 US lineup, just a 5.7 lineup with two 6.0s (only one if AB) and then 6.3+. But the tank itself is totally fine, easily my most recommended vehicle for light tank newbs after they master the M24.

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Makoandsparkyflair-us•

Haha, it could go up you say, you lost me there .....

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LightTankTerrorUnarmored Fighting Vehicle Enthusiast•

That’s like the last paragraph so you already saw my description of the vehicle’s strengths :v

Not to mention it is in tandem with a comment on it being for a general BR decompression. Not an individual change.

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Makoandsparkyflair-us•

Fair points, i dont totally agree about punishing flanks as the tank doesnt get APHE filler which for me should be the trade off for having a good flanker with no armour thats my playstyle anyway.

I dont see the M41 affecting the game too much at 5.3 it is dead if anything looks at it from 3.7 upwards, it has no explosive filler shells so its not always a one shot kill if you flank enemy tanks. It has always baffled me why its so high. I say this with the proviso that i dont think gaijin will add OPs suggestion anyway so just drop the m41 to fill the gap.

As for the repair cost well thats a game economy issue.

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SuppliceVI🔧Plane Surgeon🔨•

Not much faster than the Chaffee and no better a gun than the 17lbr at 4.0.. 4.7 for the T37, 5.3 for the M41A1, 5.7 for the M41A3, foldered, add the T71, also foldered, at 6.3 (since it's basically an autoloading M41 1hp/tn higher power weight).

That would be a pretty fleshed out light tank tree with not many gaps.

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Makoandsparkyflair-us•

So you agree ? with the lower BR for the m41 ?

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SuppliceVI🔧Plane Surgeon🔨•

Yes. At 6.0 its contemporaries are better

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MegaDriverXTAM: Totally Awesome Medium •

Yes....YES. Idk where the fuck this came from but I WANT IT

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evanelangnever forget SB GB 2014-2015•

"Baby Bulldog", looks more like a closed top hellcat.

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ClockworkRaiderMODAISE Group, Marinara Bias•
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XreshissSafe space from mouse aim•

Would I like more US light tanks? Yes.

Would I like it if it was a prototype that also gives me bad World of Tanks flashbacks? No.

Edit: As a premium light tank, sure, I guess?

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FlyingNederlander=TRAA= Squadron Leader•

Problem is though, there are no actually US produced light tanks that could fit in the BR bracket between 3.3-6.0. The US tinkered with some prototypes and then replaced the Chaffee with the M41.

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wacotaco99Flight Manuals Make My Prop Spin•

I mean, ok that’s all well and good. But like, why are you here then?

Ah I see, looking at your comments you’re either a spam bot or a person with too much free time.

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