The Freedom Dividend is easily better for me than a $15 minimum wage

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I just started a job that I am really excited about. I love the work I do and I just love working. I was unemployed for a few months after graduating and I just couldn't stand having nothing to do.

I make about $10.50 an hour, but it isn't all bad because the educational opportunities offered as benefits. I also have career advancement opportunities with the job including several pay raises within my grade.

I have been somewhat obsessively going over pay breakdowns, taxes, deductions, health insurance, etc. and considered more deeply what exactly a $15 min wage or $1000 a month would look like for me. Here are the numbers.

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Current Wage~$22,000/year of taxable income$1146/month after deductions+tax
$15 Minimum Wage~$31,000/year of taxable income$1578/month after deductions+tax
Freedom Dividend~$34,000/year (only $22,000 taxable)$2146/month after deductions+tax

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On a $15 minimum wage my life does improve, there is no doubt about that. It is easier to afford a car payment, find an apartment with a roommate to share in expenses, and afford other necessities of life. The extra ~$400 makes a huge difference.

But it is nothing compared to that extra non-taxed $1000. I could afford to live alone. I could afford to take more time off for classes and get my MBA faster. I could save more money, or spend it towards healthier living while I'm still in school.

It is difficult to calculate exactly how much a 10% VAT would actually impact my income, but I seriously doubt it would come close to what the Freedom Dividend would provide me.

Posted Aug 7, 2019, 4:43 AM UTC

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My view on higher minimum wage is this. I make 14.50 a hour working in a internet tech company. I went through a long training process to get this job. I believe it is harder than other jobs. So I believe I should be paid more than minimum wage I have earned it. So if you raise the minimum wage will my wage go up the appropriate amount? Another thing is being business savvy every company can not afford to pay all there employees this much. So they will look it cut cost which leads to automation.

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Tsui_Brooklyn•

It should go up but I will not be surprised if it wont.

Personally I do not like the “I have more training, I should be making more than a burger flipper” argument.

A person working full time should be earning enough to eat.

With that said, don’t blame poor people seeking 15 an hour if your wage doesn’t go up. Blame your company for not giving you the appropriate raises that you you are entitled to for being in your position.

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brandnewmediums•

Market wages are market wages though. You can't really force the market to do anything without unintended consequences. Wages rise when companies can't get enough people for the position for the price they are willing to pay.

But then a ton of people will starve!

And that's where UBI comes in.

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shapedlikegrits•

You’re dead right on the “every company can not afford [it]”. I’m not worried about huge companies like Target, Amazon, Wal Mart, or even large fast food chains not being able to afford it. I think about my local diners, bars, sandwich shops, etc. There’s absolutely no way they’d stay in business having to pay their employees nearly double an hour, as many of them struggle enough financially as is.

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ZalmanR1:donor:•

Yep. $15 minimum wage will just increase automation, puts the burden on small business.

the UBI on the hand stimulates the economy, and makes the small business more viable as they will have more people who have more money to spend.

Yang on the $15 minimum wage:

https://youtu.be/PlwG-XVBQJ4?t=60m14s

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re_stcks•

Agreed. 15/hr, while that would help people in the present, our day and age moves quickly. And that 15/hr isn't kind to a lot of small businesses. Not only is the FD a better option, it's paid by those large corporations that are currently benefitting from the economy.

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Ontario0000•

Why can't people understand that a $1000 a month is way better than min wage which puts pressure on the employer to generate enough profits to hire everyone.I can see many businesses laying off,cutting hours or even closing because of the burden of extra wages.

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Yes a full time worker should make enough to eat, pay rent and live. That is a fair point. My argument is if you have special training, college degree and other things. You should get paid more then the guy flipping burgers this is the freedom dividend works. Also so many people losing jobs daily, retirees and finally college kids working to earn beer money. These also thrive with UBI. Also Many more good solutions.

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Croce11Yang Gang :HappyYang:•

Yep. It's just basic math. You'll get more money if you're making minimum wage now. You'll get more money if you're making above $15/hr even today. You'll get more money anywhere in between. The best part is you don't have to worry about losing your job or having your business get shut down because they can't afford the forced minimum wage requirements.

Amazon can gloat that they can pay $15 now all they want. Obviously the big companies are who win by pushing a higher minimum wage on everyone. They got armies of people being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars figuring out ways the company can avoid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes.

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ceiffhikare•

i hate to sound like a libertarian but the real min. wage is zero when the employer refuses to hire someone new or lets the lowest person in the chain go. i wish more people would realize this because the argument thats used is weak in this regard. almost anybody is better off with a UBI and even those who are not would see increased community support through increased charitable giving.

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