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Used my umbrella as an opener, neg, and lock in prop during a day set today

I was walking around the city today when it started raining. As I'm standing at a corner waiting for the light to change a HB8 walks up next to me and I notice she doesn't have an umbrella and is slowly getting soaked. So without saying a word or even looking in her direction, I held my umbrella over both our heads. Then she turned and started talking to me, "Thanks, that so sweet, I'm *****" I asked where she was heading, and then picked a small coffee shop I knew a little further in the same direction as my "destination."

While we were walking and chatting I went to get my phone out of my bag and had her hold the umbrella for me. I purposefully didn't ask for it back when I was done. Eventually she noticed she was still carrying it but I played it off saying that she was now my "umbrella chauffeur" as a playful neg. When we got to her destination she stopped, grabbed my shirt and pulled me in, gave me her number, and now we have dinner plans for later tonight. All thanks to my umbrella

So what does seddit think? Was this umbrella use simply right for the moment or should I keep trying it? I feel like it would work wonders because it forces her to walk both with you and close to you making kino come naturally (which is something I've had some problems with). The main issue I could see is if a girl is just going around the corner then it doesn't work so well. Plus it has to be raining. I think I'm going to keep trying it though and see what happens

I also considered "accidentally" moving the umbrella so she briefly gets wet as another neg but I thought of it after we'd parted ways.

Posted Jul 9, 2010, 4:01 PM UTC

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Dude, I wish I can upvote you more... because this is what's all about... you acted yourself, you acted natural. Stop thinking about routines, and start seeing the world as if it's your playground. Stop thinking in "negs" and just have fun. Open up to women, whoever/wherever/whenever. It's about being in the moment. btw...

umbrella chauffeur and "accidentally" moving the umbrella

it's not a neg... it's flirting.
If you guys are going out and go to the bar/restaurant... ask one of those cocktail umbrella or bring one from home, if you have one, and then you put it on her drink in front of her. It's a nice a little touch... it's a memory. She's already attracted to you, "you are now umbrella man" ;)

Summer is here, who said you cannot use an umbrella under the sun?
Edit: You've now stumbled upon 'natural game'
Edit2: You've got the momentum now... when it rains... text her... something along the lines of "It's raining, poor girl... I'm not around this time :P" or whatever you want talking about rain and such about that moment and leave the smiley ':P' in there.

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goldfarmer•

Dude! That umbrella in the drink idea is fucking GOLD!

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notgeorgeclooney•

GOLD JERRY! GOLD!

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teaswiss•

put the cocktail umbrella in your dick and ask her to hold your umbrella for you.

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[deleted]•

Ow.

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teaswiss•

i didn't expect anyone to actually try that.

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Llamanaut•

i will never be miserable when it rains again. thats hunting time

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Freiling•

This sounds like the endcap to a superhero backstory.

Cue title screen: LLAMANAUT

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djadvance22•

Gold and corny are a similar color but not the same.

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ChemicalRain•

I find your username fitting.

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kryptobs2000•

It may not help you pickup women, but I think it would be hilarious to walk up next to a chick with an umbrella when it's not raining and just stand there waiting for her to say something.

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ilykdp•

I agree, the reason the umbrella prop worked so well was because you thought of it spontaneously.

To go around now, with an umbrella in your hand, trying to recreate the same scenario and effect might not be as effective.

My advice is just don't get one-itis. Have dinner with her, but don't plague her with phone calls or texts the next day.

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Box-Monkey•

Need this be stated? I say we give him the benefit of the doubt in the oneitis assumption

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jarly•

You've now stumbled upon 'natural game'

Level up!

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[deleted]•

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLIg6WT7zM

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Dantai•

UPvote!

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Dantai•

Damn! I hate emoticons. But goddamn they are useful.

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iforgot120•

Nice job, Rihanna.

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sneakatdatavibe•

irlol

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Sublomino•

The beauty of this is that it was so creative and in the moment. You can try the same routine again... but I think the real effect of it comes from being in the moment, being mindful and playful, and having that mutual tension of we don't know where this is gonna go together. When it comes down to it, you can always assume that it's a good idea to hold your umbrella over an HB in need, but never expect a date out of it. I don't think you were expecting anything out of it when you did it, which is why it worked, so if you expect it to work next time that's just going to mess it all up.

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The beauty of this is that it was so creative and in the moment...
I don't think you were expecting anything out of it when you did it, which is why it worked, so if you expect it to work next time that's just going to mess it all up.

Absolutely!

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kran0•

I must confess, this was very, very well done. But unless you can make it rain at will and don't mind strolling around outside all day waiting for girls, I don't think this can become a regular routine.

But dinner plans in one night? You've already been on one date today. Try demonstrating some higher value and claiming prior plans tonight. Make her wait a few days and she'll raise your value in her mind in the interim. Now she thinks she has you around her finger.

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2_of_8•

But dinner plans in one night? You've already been on one date today. Try demonstrating some higher value and claiming prior plans tonight. Make her wait a few days and she'll raise your value in her mind in the interim. Now she thinks she has you around her finger.

I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe it's not right according to the theory of DHV, but he's definitely having fun with it right now instead of waiting for a few days or making excuses for why he's busy tonight.

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[deleted]•

I've got girls coming out of my ears and I often make a date on a date if I'm having fun. Girls who have lots of guys will lose interest if you wait too long, just like I'll lose interest in a girl if she waits too long.

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kran0•

Having fun "right now" is simply that: you are enjoying the moment without regard for the future. The inherent problem is that it could (not necessarily will) frustrate "having fun" in the future.

A woman's mind if one of the most powerful tools at your disposal: allowing her a day or two to build you up in her mind (which she will inevitably do) is often a better long-term strategy.

DHV is not a theory it's own sake; it can enhance her feelings for you and improve the relationship in the long-run.

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2_of_8•

While I somewhat agree with you, the phrase "long-term strategy" makes it sound like a stock market investment :P

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kran0•

Can you tell I'm taking an MBA? ;)

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fumanchu282•

move to Seattle, I hear it rains a lot there

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2_of_8•

Really, any city next to a mountain that stops all the clouds will do. (Is that called "rain shadow"? Grade 9 geography was a while ago)

At the same time, it's these cities in which women willeither have an umbrella or not care about getting wet!

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Paul-ish•

And the girls here don't care as much (or are prepared), they're used to it.

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Dantai•

I think the best thing to grab out of this, is that he made something out of a random situation. Its not about routines at this point, its natural game.

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kran0•

What good is it to someone who wants to learn to simply here "random; innate; no lessons here"? Read Chapter 2 to learn how much the effect of "natural" game is overstated in all walks of life.

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Dantai•

I thought the whole point of learning this "Game" is to start off using routines and procedures until your confident, social and natural enough, to start doing your own thing and being dynamic as the situation fits rather then static. That is my view on it, then again, I am a certified novice so correct me if I am wrong.

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kran0•

OK, I understand what you're saying. I think you're right that, for beginners, it helps to have a few routines or basic principles about how women think. The phrase "fake it 'til you make it" comes to mind.

But I think this gentleman is more concerned with improving. Maybe he's not much of a natural but gets lucky from time to time. Or maybe he has some natural game but he wants to know the reasons for his success. Either way I think that success comes from deliberate practice with an eye to method, not just results.

This article from the Freakonomics blog summarizes the portion of Chapter 2 (of the sequel) that I referenced earlier: How Did A-Rod Get So Good?

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hopscotchking•

This is perfect, OP. Just the kind of shit you should be doing. Well done. 'Umbrella chauffeur' is great, btw.

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doriangray•

You shouldn't think about continuing to try it. You mastered that particular situation, to use it again is to stagnate. You need to master every situation like this, you want the challenge. Today you met a challenge and kicked it's ass, tomorrow brings new challenges. Your first instinct is going to be to fall back on something you know has worked before, but when you're a complete alpha who handles every situation like a boss, you don't need the umbrella.

Don't be afraid to use it again, it's obviously golden, but you pulled the girl, not the umbrella. You want to keep challenging yourself to stay on game, not make up routines. Once you realize why "Do you floss before or after?" works, you discard it - because you realize that it doesn't work - YOU DO.

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[deleted]•

This is simply gorgeous. and yeah moving the umbrella or taking it back could have worked well, but only if she was giving you stick to begin with. I don't like two negs when you've already got her hooked.

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Box-Monkey•

Very nice. Props!

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moomooland•

forgive my ignorance but what's a neg?

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Llamanaut•

negative comment / statement / even insult designed to indicate that you're not putting her on a pedestal

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Ledatru•

Good job OP! Umbrella really does make kino very easy... I also make sensual jokes about wetness of the rain... Unoriginal but it builds comfort. She gave you her number too so that's a great sign

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master_baiter•

What sort of sensual jokes? Like this?

"So, girl, looks like my shoes are gettin' wet. Probably like...

<raises eye brow>

your vagina?"

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spaceman_spliff88•

Exactly like that.

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Ledatru•

No something like "It's OK to get wet once in a while" and she says "That's what she said!"

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teaswiss•

'Oh sorry, am I making you wet?' (long stare, hint of a smile)

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miiiiiiiik•

Well played

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ckdCosmo4805•

Are you in NYC?

I must do this the next time it rains.

I got out of the subway and saw that it had rained while I was on the train.

Anyway, well done!

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