JOHN DEERE (DE) SHORT THESIS (ER 8/16)

DD

TLDR: SHORT JOHN DEERE

Schmidt says sales at his dealership, in general, declined by as much as 15% in the first half of the year, led by a fall in the demand for large equipment. In a sign of things to come, early orders for planting equipment for next season's soybean and corn crops are down up to 25%.

He is not alone. Half a dozen dealers of Deere's agriculture equipment across the Midwest shared similar accounts in interviews with Reuters. One of those dealers, in Geneseo, Illinois, said sales at his dealership were down 50% so far this year from the same period last year.

This is a worrying sign for Deere, which gets nearly 60% of its sales from the United States and Canada.

(https://finance.yahoo.com/news/farm-equipment-maker-deeres-dealers-171312197.html)

China’s exit piles on to a devastating year for farmers, who’ve struggled through record flooding and droughts that destroyed crop yields, and trade war escalations that have lowered prices and profits this year.

“It’s really, really getting bad out here,” Bob Kuylen, a farmer of 35 years in North Dakota, told CNBC.

“There’s no incentive to keep farming, except that I’ve invested everything I have in farming, and it’s hard to walk away.”

“Trump is ruining our markets. No one is buying our product no more, and we have no markets no more.”

(https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/trump-is-ruining-our-markets-farmers-lose-a-huge-customer-to-trade-war----china.html)

Problems with extreme weather & trade war tensions have severely impacted US farms, most specifically the Midwest, where over 80% of the US' soybeans are grown. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/192076/top-10-soybean-producing-us-states/) Now, if farms are facing difficulties, they are less likely to invest and buy more machinery/equipment, hurting DE.

Since 2004, Deere has grown its credit book by 300% while boosting operating profit by only 70%. The growth in the loan book suggests that more sales are being financed then are being paid in cash. There has also been substantial growth in operating leases. While the loan book and operating leases have ballooned, sales of farm equipment have dropped by 40% since 2013. Since 2016, cash flow from operations has fallen in half, and the firm has been free cash flow negative for the last two fiscal years. Meanwhile, the share price has appreciated over 90+%.

(https://seekingalpha.com/article/4283194-massif-capital-deere-and-co)

A part of DE's business involves them offering loans/leases to dealers and farmers to make it easier to purchase their machinery. As we can see from the aforementioned, sales of their machinery are down, as well as the increase in credit extended showing us that they are dependent upon the solvency of American farmers. Additionally, the fundamentals do not look healthy, as operating cash flow has been halved over the past 3 years, and FCF has been negative for the last 2 years. Much of the 90% appreciation in share price over the past three years has been driven by a robust buyback program (75 billion), several acquisitions, and cost-cutting measures.

(https://www.fb.org/market-intel/farm-loan-delinquencies-and-bankruptcies-are-rising)

Following several years of low farm income and rising debt levels, a review of Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation quarterly call report data reveals that the delinquency rates for commercial agricultural loans in both the real estate and non-real estate lending sectors are at a six-year high.

For the first quarter of 2019, 2.5% of commercial real estate loans in agriculture were more than 30 days past due, up from 2.1% in the prior quarter and above the historical average of 2.1%. Similarly, 2.3% of non-real estate loans in agriculture held by commercial lenders were more than 30 days past due, up from 1.5% in the prior quarter and above the historical average of 1.7%. The first quarter of 2013 was the last time delinquency rates were this high for commercial lenders.

As we can see, the rate of farm delinquencies & bankruptcies is at a six-year high, which tells us that the farming industry as a whole is unhealthy. Farmers that owe existing credit to John Deere are more unlikely to pay up due to the various tailwinds discussed above, not to mention farmers aren't going to be buying new machinery if they aren't doing well financially. Things only appear to be getting worse as Trump looks to be escalating tensions with the Chinese, saying that he would be okay with canceling the already scheduled talks in September.

POTENTIAL RISKS:

This thesis may turn out to be correct but it may play out over a longer time frame (IE the effects are not yet felt this quarter)

Brazilian agriculture, (which is booming: https://www.fitchsolutions.com/corporates/commodities/brazil-agricultural-boom-continue-05-08-2019) may help save the company from its decline in US sales (unlikely)

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I welcome all criticism and discussion.

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Posted Aug 11, 2019, 4:52 AM UTC

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lolTeik•

I have direct access to the financials of most John Deere dealerships and at least from a dealership standpoint, most are doing extremely well. The construction and forestry is doing excellent, though that’s only about 25% of their business. The company itself? No clue.

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I have direct access to the financials of most John Deere dealerships

Yes, SEC this guy right here

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lolTeik•

dealerships, not John Deere itself.

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WallStreetBoobs•

dealerships

stealerships*

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lolTeik•

Dealerships blow, agreed. That said, it would be almost impossible for Deere to manage all of the parts and service to go along with machine sales. It's shitty both ways but it's probably better to contract out the local stuff for a small loss in profit in order to save a ton of money if your company becomes a giant lumbering machine that no one can streer.

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bagdraggerdadGay•

I've noticed this as well. I've talked to several salesman in several states and there sales are up. Internationally I have no idea.

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benjamingrossbaum•

Hemp is saving US ag

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neve1064•

Seriously? 🥴

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Can’t tell if you’re serious.

LOL

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benjamingrossbaum•

There are many farmers who cant afford to grow crops due to lack of scale and competition, who will be making up to millions of dollars this year with hemp. I think I'm serious. Hemp will be a multi billion dollar crop overnight.

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beantownbully8•

Agreed. So do a lot of Colorado farmers.

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clarence_worley90•

$DE is not an expensive stock & it's already trading 10% below recent highs. Positive news on trade will send it straight back up. Farmers are Trump's best friend, and while they are royally screwed if China decides to go nuclear on us, the risk/reward doesn't seem worth it for a directional trade on $DE. If you're certain that this trade war will escalate, you might be better off shorting /Z futures or something.

If anything, since $DE is currently in a middle range between recent lows/highs, a condor is probably your best bet to trade this thing through earnings - because of the elevated implied volatility. It'll likely remain in a somewhat tight range even if earnings are strong, because the situation with China is still tense.

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wsb_mods_R_gayProfessional Paper Trader•

What makes you think there will be any good news regarding the trade war? They’ve been at this for over a year with little to no progress. Yeah the media as been spinning it positively with each rumor, but that will only go so far, markets will have to start waking up to the fact as earnings keep taking a hit.

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clarence_worley90•

Nothing makes me think that. But this is an optimistic market that swiftly recovers any time "trade talks are going well". Earnings have been resilient & the market is not ready to give up. Either way, we don't need good news for $DE to rise, we just need a lack of bad news. My point is that a directional play on a stock based entirely on "Gyna gonna do us dirty" is not a great investment strategy...

Don't worry, volatility is coming. The fact that we swung 3% intraday on the Yuan news does not inspire confidence. We may have recovered some of those losses but we took a big hit to sentiment. Everyone's on edge waiting for the next big drop, at least in the short term.

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raam86•

they are farmers not mathematicians who knows what 50% means to them

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WallStreetBoobs•

Tendies

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Charles_Himself_masturbates with GLD dildos•

I’m down bro

Buying puts on any up swing. October sounds goods

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SmallPotGuest🐖 Pig Gang Leader 🐷•

Take into account that farmers only complaint and say how bad it is this year qhen they speak to the press.

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PayMe4TradeIdeas•

I was walking in a park and I saw lots of deers, all in call

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gatoken1Toilet Paper Hands•

IIRC, last time DE earnings came around, some guy posted something about knowing someone in the industry who said they had good sales number

And they missed on earnings

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ugabulldawgg•

This sounds like a great play I’m in.

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dreamvilliannm•

Didn’t they lower guidance last quarter? Buy calls

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TL;DR - long DE because the salesman at my dealership said he got a nice new truck this past quarter

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chateauxdelacasa•

See if your hypothesis works for AGCO, similar business but smaller so more likely to get hurt. However, in either case need to look at % of sales in US and China, and see impact on valuation if sales drop 25%.

Then buy OTM puts and wait until you get rich. Lmao

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onewiththepeople•

Long Ponsse

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turdburglersc•

Since 2004, Deere has grown its credit book by 300% while boosting operating profit by only 70%. The growth in the loan book suggests that more sales are being financed then are being paid in cash. There has also been substantial growth in operating leases. While the loan book and operating leases have ballooned, sales of farm equipment have dropped by 40% since 2013.

farming as a service, they never own the digger like you never own your iphone.

long john deere

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neve1064•

Agreed but I’ll buy after earnings.

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giant24us•

So I should buy calls?

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2_uberOParbitraumatizes your mom's pussy•

Funny

"InVeRSe WsB"

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WallStreetBoobs•

And for this reason, I'm long DE.

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fairygame1028Distinguished Gentleman•

All of that is taken into account already lol

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BigGuy4UftCIA•

I think you're right to be bearish but Deere's last earnings were fine with a lowered guidance. I wouldn't bet on a collapse but a steady slog downward.

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centosanjr•

Storytime: my first options play was a weekly call for DE because I listened to some idiot on reddit wsb. Naturally, it went to shit.

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