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Lindon's Arm

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When Lindon merged the binding and hunger arm he felt that he was creating a full remnant, not just adding a binding to a remnant arm. It always seemed that the arm has been feeding and growing in strength and the arm always seems to has a mind of it's own.

I hypothesize that the Arm and the Blood shadow are similar, both are from experiments out of the Labyrinth. The arm is from hunger madra bindings\dreadbeasts hunger cores and the Blood shadow is a seed from a dread god. The Dreadgod is able to tear off pieces of itself and create remnants, with a sole purpose to gather madra energy. Once these remnants reach capacity they have an overwhelming desire to return to mama. She used those little bloody energizer bunnies into herself. Lindon and Gesha created a weaker version of a blood shadow by combining the shifting skies arm and the binding from the ancestor spear.

Here are a few of my crazy theories.

  • A fun theory that I have been thinking about based on the popularity of Lindon needing a weapon. Could be the arm and the mystery metal that Eithan has obtained for creating a bloodshadow weapon be fused. This would give the Hunger Arm the able to shift to any needed item; armor, weapon or tool.
  • Another theory is Lindon needs to use both cores at the same time and he has not been able to do that. As the arm has been growing in strength and will soon have limited intelligence and follow a battle plan from Dross. Since the shifting sky are was almost pure madra based it will be able to pull from the pure core while Lindon can pull from his black flame core with his other arm.
  • And the last and most crazy theory is the arm will allow Lindon to adsorb others madra and power himself. With Dross's help using a cycling technique, using the example of the mining equipment pulling vital aura and converting it to pure scales. Dross will be able to synthesize these new techniques when needed so it will be able to convert that madra into both cores, pure and black flame during an attack. This will give him a constant source of energy during a battle as long as the opponent is attacking using madra.

Do you think the arm will progress in the uncrowned? How do you think the arm will progress?

Posted Aug 23, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

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caffeine-overclock•

I just don't see the weapon thing happening. Legendary weapons are apparently "washed in Soulfire multiple times" to make them strong enough to block attacks. I think Lindon's arm will fill this role as well as a sword/axe/whatever.

The question in my mind is what exactly he's going to script onto it. Just using it to jettison peoples' attacks back into their faces is kind of cool but of limited utility since sacred artists tend to have a resistance to their own madra type. Pulling random madra into his core will ruin his purity, so that (probably) won't happen.

I love your idea of stealing the purification scripts from the Transcendant mining equipment, because Fisher Gesha actually designed those machines.

Refilling his healing core repeatedly throughout a fight? Total baller move.

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admiralzacbar•

But will Lindon have access to Fisher Gesha anymore? I'm not sure he'll be coming back to the Blackflame empire before the tournament and if it follows the pattern of the other books, something is going to happen that either interrupts the tournament is takes precedence immediately after it and they'll be taken off on another whirlwind adventure.

Unless Eithan decides Gesha needs to make weapons for their team, I'm not sure what Lindon's chances are of seeing her again.

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SociaIyAwesomeTurtIe•

He will have access to the Akura who should have amazingly better refiners.

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micooke•

Pretty sure that Malice will be training all 3 of the Akura teams.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

The arm has been remade in soulfire and upgraded with lord level hunger madra, which I thought was mandra infused with soulfire. And as Lindon advances through the lord and monarch levels it would again be reforged. I sort of pictured the arm doing stuff like the liquid metal guy from terminator 2.

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Brightbane•

Are you thinking of Lindon scripting his arm in the style of The Painted Man?

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Acedelaforet•

Plus he mentioned how its so difficult to refill his pure core, being able to pull in pure madrac would both dumbfound eithan And solve that problem

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JorMox•

I don't think that his arm has any sort of intelligence at all. I think that it, like all remnant parts, is acting in accordance with its structure and the type of madra it is made of, and hunger madra is just really aggressive. As for why it seems to act to protect itself against significant threats, I think that is just part of the same thing. The hunger madra takes from the weak and avoids the strong, until it can get strong enough to come take that too. I also think that the Bloodshadow is basically a fusion of blood and hunger madra, though I won't guess as to how one or the other came about.

As for your theories, I don't see fusing metal into the arm that is now like a part of Lindon's body would be a great idea. There are plenty of special weapons that use a combination of solid materials and bindings/remnant parts, but none of that stuff is alive when that happens. I suppose it MIGHT be possible for someone to craft such a prosthetic first, and then fuse it onto a person once it is done, but who knows if they would be able to use it as well as the original...

As I don't think the arm is intelligent at all, I don't think your second idea is plausible at all, but even if it had intelligence, I think that would result in it and Lindon having separate madra systems, with one not being able to pull from or push through the other. His arm is no Dross.

As for purifying absorbed madra and dumping it into his core... maybe? It certainly seems plausible within the system in a general way, though given that the mining equipment used extensive scripting to accomplish it, that may not be an option with the arm itself. That said, maybe he could make a bracer or something that fits over that arm that has those sort of scripts, allowing him to dump gathered madra into it and creating at least a small reserve of energy for him to use that way.

Personally though, I think his arm is just going to become more HIS, and less independent.

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JM-SL•

This is not like any other remnant part. And this has already show some awarenes. Now that it has been upgrade, it would not be strange for that awarenes to get raised as well.

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It must have been an effect of the hunger madra, as she added more samples inside and Lindon used his pure madra to Forge them together into one. With every piece, it seemed to become more aware, like they were building a Remnant instead of a Remnant arm.

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As the binding approached, the arm squirmed toward it, fighting against the hold of his spirit. He tried to ask her to wait, but the word came out as a croak.

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He focused on that, stoking his desire for power, the feelings of envy and awe he'd felt when Suriel had demonstrated absolute authority, the aching helplessness of living as Unsouled and his desire to get stronger. As strong as he could.

The arm stiffened, like a dog catching a new scent.

Lindon threw more at it. His feelings as he looked over the Heaven's Glory School's treasures: he wanted it all, but even that wouldn't be enough. He remembered the sensation of Blackflame, the desire of a dragon to conquer and to destroy.

Then he shoved the end of the arm onto his stump.

Hunger madra is different. Lindon's arm is more like a Remnant that simply a Remnant part. If that is the case, we all know that as a Remnant advance... it gain in awareness.

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Soda_BoBomb•

This would just be dumb. He's already got a self aware construct/spirit in his brain, we don't need more.

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JM-SL•

There is a big difference between aware and self-aware.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

If Lindon was correct in skysworn that they created a remnant it will be more aware as it gains in power, I was not suggesting that the arm will rival Dross's intelligence but something that equates to a dog or maybe a child.

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Soda_BoBomb•

But...why? It could I guess, but why?

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JorMox•

All the remnant parts do stuff, so moving or whatever is nothing special. The big difference is that his arm appears to be actively seeking things to absorb, but that is the nature of hunger madra, and unsurprisingly adding more hunger madra to the relatively pure arm made it act more and more like it was just pure hunger madra. The reason that this behavior is so unusual, in my opinion, is that hunger madra is so vastly different from all the other sorts of madra we have ever encountered. Everything else represents some thing found in the world, and things don't have goals or drives, they just are. Hunger madra, however, represents an emotion, specifically a desire for power, meaning it IS drive and intent.

No surprise then that it acts in accordance with its nature. Fire madra burns stuff that it touches, hunger madra hunts down things to make itself more powerful. If you had a fire/hunger aspect remnant arm, no doubt it would seek desperately for things to burn.

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JM-SL•

This is AWARE of its surrounding.

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Gingerly, she placed the shard of white within the bubble at the center of the room. The transparent arm and the shard of bright white orbited one another, though the smaller piece seemed to be squirming through the air toward the larger.

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The hand lunged for Lindon's head. No...not for his head. The link he shared with the arm gave him an instinctive understanding, and rather than ducking, he threw himself to the side.It wasn't after him. It was after the Sylvan Riverseed.

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This is AWARE of Lindon feelings.

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He focused on that, stoking his desire for power, the feelings of envy and awe he'd felt when Suriel had demonstrated absolute authority, the aching helplessness of living as Unsouled and his desire to get stronger. As strong as he could.

The arm stiffened, like a dog catching a new scent.

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All right, madra lives and every one makes its thing, fire madra burns and so on... But, fire madra would know what things it may or not burns? It would go after something made of wood? That is what difference hunger madra from any other, its awareness. And awareness is the thing we are talking about.

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JorMox•

Well, for one, we have no idea if other madra is aware of its surroundings or not. As I mentioned, fire, as a concept, has no desire. It doesn't WANT to burn things, it just does. Wind blows, it doesn't WANT to blow. Their nature is to exist. So even if they were aware, why would they seek things out? But hunger madra is made of intent, so it inherently wants things and seeks them out. That it is aware of things beyond what it is directly touching may be something unusual, or it may not. For all we know, if whatever it was going after became veiled, it would immediately lose track of it, which would imply that it is tracking based on the spiritual "pressure" that these things give off as that pressure comes into contact with the arm.

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EvilMastermindG•

From your last theory, I have this ridiculous mental image of his arm converting hostile madra into scales as he’s fighting...

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acog•

Lindon's new weapon is actually a piggy bank made of forged madra. As he absorbs an enemy's madra and converts it to scales, those scales shoot out of his arm and into the piggy bank.

The piggy bank is a bludgeoning weapon that gets more dangerous as the fight progresses because it's constantly getting heavier.

Enemies are unnerved because the longer a fight goes, the more Lindon grins. They attribute this to bloodlust, but it's actually because Dross is giving him constant updates of how much money he's making.

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Adot1Dot•

This is the best thing I’ve read all day!!

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JorMox•

He should have an option to convert it into a scale machine gun...

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

They did say advancing in the sacred arts is expensive... Cha Ching

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JM-SL•

I agreed with you on some points. Those binders all come to the same thing and it is the fifth dreadgod, the "lost brother" as it is called in Skysworn.

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A fun theory that I have been thinking...

I don't think that is going to happen. It seems to me that on the contrary, now that Lindon's remnant hand has been reforged in Soulfire he won't even need to gives it madra to touch anything. It has gain "solidity" so I don't see it changing constantly his form. I mean... It is Lindon we are talking about and not Inspector Gadget.

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Another theory is Lindon needs...

There is going to be some kind of evolution for the remnant hand after it has been reforged and I can believe that perhaps it become more aware, but this would be too much...

Lindon will learn to use both of his cores at the same time but this learning will have nothing to do with his right hand.

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And the last and most crazy

I don't think your theory is crazy at all. He was already able to take into himself the madra absorbed through his righ arm, he did it in "Underlord", but not into any of his cores. He will do, very soon. He won't need any special tecnique for it, nor Dross' help. He just will need for the absorved madra to be either, pure or Blackflame. In the future and thanks to some scripting he will be able to absorb any madra.

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My thought are that it will become more solid, stronger, more aware, it won't get corrupted as easily as it did before, I mean it will be able to take still more madra that until now and finally it will let Lindon takes pure and Blackflame madra into his own cores.

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meteor_wrong•

The thing is that I can't see a single moment in Underlord where his arm acts outside of his control.

When Fisher Gesha attached it to him in Skysworn she mentions that it will take time for him to control it naturally. It seems that a year or so later that's the case.

And after reforging it in soulfire it becomes a more human arm. Why would it be gaining more awareness?

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JM-SL•

The thing is that I can't see a single moment in Underlord where his arm acts outside of his control.

You are right.

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When Fisher Gesha attached it to him in Skysworn she mentions that it will take time for him to control it naturally. It seems that a year or so later that's the case.

Right again.

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And after reforging it in soulfire it becomes a more human arm.

In shape, yes.

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Why would it be gaining more awareness?

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I think it always shows its awareness and that this words: "With every piece, it seemed to become more aware, like they were building a Remnant instead of a Remnant arm", was not written without a reason.

Such as I see it, Lindon's right arm is just now like a well trained dog. It's being feed, it's growing, it's getting stronger and it's happy... It has in some way accepted Lindon and that's way it is no longer rebeling against him. But if it is more like a Remnant and less like a Remnant arm, with its last upgrade it must gain in awareness. Anyway, those are just my thoughts and I'm not Will in disguise, so... we will see.

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meteor_wrong•

That's an interesting interpretation that would never have occured to me.

I do think I would prefer it if the arm wasn't becoming alive because that feels a bit too much like a rehash of Yerin's bloodshadow plotline, I can see how it could introduce another layer of conflict to the story.

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JM-SL•

There must be some similarities because both Yerin's blood shadow and Lindon's Remnant arm come from a Dreadgood each one. But there are also a lot of difference between them. Yerin's blood shadow is the best battle partner, from now on Yerin never will fight alone, there will be not more 1 vs 1 for her. Right now fight against her is not fight a Underlady but two. Maybe, with time, It may become even more than a partner, perhaps a "sister".

In Lindon case, just now his right arm is a weapon that keep growing in power, but soon it also will become a guide. That is my theory.

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Crinisen•

Could be the arm and the mystery metal that Eithan has obtained for creating a bloodshadow weapon be fused. This would give the Hunger Arm the able to shift to any needed item; armor, weapon or tool.

Honestly I think if said metal got used at all it would STILL be an epic upgrade for Big Red's sword/sword arms IMO.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

The metal is held in the soul space so not sure Big Red could use it

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Crinisen•

Probably not, but it would be a step further away from the Bleeding Phoenix so if it worked I think it would help Yerin with her disgust. Plus I imagine that the Shadow's Endless Sword techniques would be improved.

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Zyntrad•

Ok, now I can't get the Image of Lindon compared to Alan Walker (D.Gray-Man) out of my head! He even Haß a Dross!

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TheLagDemon•

While we’re on the subject I too have a theory regarding Lindon’s arm. It and the incorporated arch stone is slowly getting him used to hunger madra, which will be pretty useful for the team’s eventual descent into the labyrinth.

Jai Daishou was nearly overwhelmed when he raided the labyrinth and left with the archstone, and that was during a very short trip inside. The mysterious madra he was contending with there was presumably hunger madra (or at least partially hunger madra). So, I’d say any group wanting to traverse the labyrinth will need some sort of defense against areas of dense hunger madra. Lindon’s use of his arm and incorporated arch stone may be teaching him the necessary skills.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

I agree the exposure to the hunger madra will help Lindon, but I wonder how it will affect the others on the team.

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2Fast2Boogooloo•

I don’t think the arm will come alive. If anything it has become more “normal”.

But think what the Archstone did - it managed to suck the madra out of two Underlords and a bunch of others simultaneously. So I assume that Lindon can do the same, just not safely.

But can he funnel that madra into Soulsmithing?

What about into powering bindings?

As a weapon, he can cancel madra attacks through pure madra pulses like Eithan. So I agree the absorbing and venting feel very limited in drfenseice or offensive capability.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

If they did manage to create a remnant it will become more intelligent and aware as it grows in power, not sure the term "alive" is correct since it is a ghost of a sacred artist or beast. The question really comes back to was Lindon's feelings correctly said that they created a remnant when adding the hunger binding into the arm.

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Razavn•

This is possibly really silly, and I'm sure Drudges have perhaps been talked about before.

But, is it possible that if the arm gains some type of sentience/awareness that, being made of hunger madra, it could serve as a drudge?

Essentially as it would feed on the madra it would know what and where madra/bindings are and provide that information to Lindon?

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

Nothing really points at the arm changing to a drudge, but there a hint that Lil Blue will be the sentient healing drudge.

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meteor_wrong•

Where is that hinted at? I cannot recall it at all.

But more significantly this are the uses of a drudge according to Unsouled:

Drudges were all the tools a Soulsmith required rolled into one. They could measure madra output, determine its aspects, analyze the parts of a Remnant, and even help separate that Remnant into its components with minimal loss.

Lindon doesn't need a drudge. He has dross who can do all these things after Lindon scans the remnant. The only thing Dross doesn't do is physically help, and even then he increases Lindon's focus enough that he probably doesn't need help in that way.

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

Will has said that Lindon will make a drudge:

Questioner

Is Dross a Drudge? Like an advanced one? Or is a Drudge something else entirely?

Will Wight

A drudge is something else. He’ll build one.

The specific reference that Lil Blue could be the drudge was in Blackflame on page 147:

a skilled craftsman could make a Riverseed into a guardian, a weapon, a guide, an elixir, a power source, a drudge

Lil Blue is still needed for healing, so I am speculating that Lil Blue will transform or evolve. At this point in the books her current role has become redundant and more of a liability. She is starting to make a progression in Underlord by gaining the ability of speech and maybe the foreshadowed the ability to fly.

I think she will become or make that big transition in Uncrowned, Lindon will not "Make" her into something but he will help her grow.

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meteor_wrong•

Cool, thanks for sharing that. I've never seen that WoW before.

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ficklebutterTeam Lindon•

Why is this Flaired as a shit post? I mean it’s crazy theory crafting but has some basis and sparked a lot of conversation great post man

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tempgrumpOPTeam Lindon•

I never know how to mark my posts, I always get people downvoting me because I like to speculate and missed a word of Will. So I thought I would try that flair. I typically avoid posting on things but the excitement about the new book has me being adventurous.

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ficklebutterTeam Lindon•

Haha I get it sometimes people can be dicks even though this sub is especially good about positivity they can be extremely picky. I just wanted to let you know that this was a good post.

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